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In the NHK Cup

Full game record: http://www.go4go.net/go/games/sgfview/43238

That does not so much like an opening as a middle game started too early.

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Still officially AGA 5d but I play so irregularly these days that I am probably only 3d or 4d over the board (but hopefully still 5d in terms of knowledge, theory and the ability to contribute).

So, its sorta like Ohashi Hirofumi's Black Hole, only twisted slightly

It's rotating and growing larger.

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Awesome.

The result? B+3.5

This was played by Cho U a couple of weeks ago (and likely a couple of months ago on Tygem). See viewtopic.php?f=10&t=10710

Ohashi Hirofumi mentioned Cho U (I think) in his video when he was talking about the Black Hole

the whole game record from Mr Kin's site (for those without go4go access -- thanks Mace Lee for the find)

I'd just like to get reasonable results from orthodox play. Seeing players get good results from moves that look like they make no sense is extremely frustrtaing.

If I had forsaken other career/education opportunities and spent tens or even hundreds of thousands of hours studying Go to become a professional I would be extremely frustrated if I wasn't able to do things an amateur who only spent a few hours a week on Go could.

Thanks for sharing this game! It makes me happy to think that the final chapter on good go play might not be written, though I'm doubtful this sort of play would hold up in longer games. Still, if there were no one willing to experiment we might miss out on some potentially beautiful games.

I missed seeing this broadcast because I was out playing Go. Does anyone know who did the commentary on TV? It must have been challenging!

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I know a commentary by Ôhashi Hirofumi, who has played several of these "unusual" openings, in which he stated that "usually" -- maybe around move 80 or so -- the resulting POSITIONs look very much like "normal" ones, with the exception of only a very, very few stones.

I am quite sure that he referred to pro-pro-games.

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http://www.asahi-net.or.jp/~bg2t-tkg/nhk/nhk.html
still has last weeks game (9/7) up... but once they update it for this week (9/14), the commentator link will be:
http://www.asahi-net.or.jp/~bg2t-tkg/nhk/kai.jpg

I like that he ends up sacrificing

Kobayashi Koichi did it.

As was previously pointed out, Cho U used this opening a month or two ago. He also used it on Tygem as Tenzaru2? I've been trying to get a collection of these games to see how this opening works, but so far I only have 2

Could you share the tygem game with us on this thread?

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Go is such a beautiful game.

Sorry, I hadn't had my coffee yet, so I was not clear: the only games I have are this one, and the one Cho U used in a demo match a few months ago, which is in another thread. I have none of the Tygem games, though I want them badly.

Is anyone on PC Tygem? Is there a feature to pull down the tenzaru2 games, historically? I have only been able to get Tygem to work on my Ipad, and the app does not seem to have a historical games feature.