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Since I do not read Chinese, I am always annoyed that there do not seem to be any up-to-date translations of the Chinese professional rankings. So I had to take a shot at rolling my own... Below are the top 50 from the listing on qipai.org.cn. I matched the original names to the GoGoD onomasticon (name list) on my last CD version. Most seemed to match. The characters in a couple of names (indicated with **) did not exactly match anyone in the list. Any advice on whether these were alternative characters for the names shown below or different people altogether would be appreciated.
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Rank Rating 1 时越 2682 Shi Yue 2 古力 2660 Gu Li 2 陈耀烨 2660 Chen Yaoye 4 周睿羊 2646 Zhou Ruiyang 5 江维杰 2644 Jiang Weijie 6 芈昱廷 2641 Mi Yuting 7 柁嘉熹 2630 Tuo Jiaxi 8 柯洁 2629 Ke Jie 9 范廷钰 2624 Fan Tingyu 10 唐韦星 2620 Tang Weixing 11 檀啸 2604 Tan Xiao ** 11 连笑 2604 Lian Xiao 13 邱峻 2601 Qiu Jun 14 杨鼎新 2590 Yang Dingxin 15 王檄 2582 Wang Xi 16 古灵益 2573 Gu Lingyi 17 彭立尧 2553 Peng Liyao 18 李喆 2549 Li Zhe 19 谢赫 2545 Xie He 20 周贺玺 2543 Zhou Hexi 21 李轩豪 2540 Li Xuanhao 21 钟文靖 2540 Zhong Wenjing 23 范蕴若 2538 Fan Yunruo 24 蔡竞 2537 Cai Jing 25 邬光亚 2535 Wu Guangya 26 朴文垚 2534 Piao Wenyao 27 胡耀宇 2531 Hu Yaoyu ** 28 刘星 2528 Liu Xing 29 牛雨田 2522 Niu Yutian 30 孟泰龄 2521 Meng Tailing 30 童梦成 2521 Tong Mengcheng 32 毛睿龙 2520 Mao Ruilong 33 李钦诚 2519 Li Qincheng 34 周鹤洋 2515 Zhou Heyang 34 孔杰 2515 Kong Jie 36 党毅飞 2514 Dang Yifei 37 廖行文 2504 Liao Xingwen 38 彭荃 2502 Peng Quan 39 朱元豪 2501 Zhu Yuanhao 40 安冬旭 2500 An Dongxu 41 陶欣然 2498 Tao Xinran 42 谢尔豪 2497 Xie Erhao 43 张涛 2489 Zhang Tao Sr. 44 汪涛 2484 Wang Tao 45 常昊 2474 Chang Hao 46 张立 2473 Zhang Li 47 李康 2472 Li Kang 48 王垚 2470 Wang Yao 49 孙腾宇 2467 Sun Tengyu 50 郭闻潮 2461 Guo Wenchao
** The characters were not an exact match to those in the Name Dictionary. Variant spelling or a different person?
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Here is the update for August 2014. Shi Yue stays on top while Zhou Ruiyang jumps over Gu Li and Chen Yaoye to seize the #2 slot. Down in the middle of the list the big mover is Liao Xingwen, who jumps from #37 in July to #27 in August. (As before if you notice any name errors please let me know!)
_________________ Dave Sigaty "Short-lived are both the praiser and the praised, and rememberer and the remembered..." - Marcus Aurelius; Meditations, VIII 21
As regular readers may recall I am not a fan of Mickey Mouse time limits, which blight Korean go especially. I am not alone - they irk many pros. China has always had a more measured approach to them, and I notice also the recent introduction of playing both slow and fast games in the same event (the China Weiqi League) after a trial switchover to fast games only. This, I imagine, was to provide the balance between fast games for tv and slow games for pros' satisfaction.
But even in China there are many fast games, so the question arises as to how much they affect the ratings. I see that chess uses three distinct rating systems based on time limits (Classical, Rapid, Blitz, with Classical being the most respected one), and the range between them for an individual player can be huge - something like 150 points among the top ten. Although Carlsen is now No. 1 in all three classes, this is only recent and it is more typical for a player's position in each list to vary wildly. Some are much better at classical and some at blitz.
This suggests to me that the go ratings (both Korean and Chinese, but maybe also KGS), which I believe mingle all the classes, must be adulterated. Am I right? If so, how much adulterated? Does it matter? And is there some theoretical basis for the chess decision to create three streams?
I think most games recognised by the ranking system are still "classic"(hours). In Chinese league-A, only 1 in 5 games is set to "fast"(minutes), and there may be one or two other "fast" cups like Asian TV Cup but not many. "Blitz"(seconds) games are pure commercial shows which are not recognised by the ranking system. Generally the ranking is still dominated by the "classic" with a minor mixture of the "fast".
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I've been working to fill some more blanks in my name list and also reformatting to make future lists easy to convert and post. Here is a list of the top 150 pros from August, showing the change in rank and rating over the last twelve months, since August of last year. Enjoy!
Is there any description in English of how the rating systems works? I have two questions:
1. It appears that the crop of new pros are dropped into the middle of the system with a rank of 2240 each summer. They appeared on the rating list in July 2013 and again in August 2014 in a clump at 2240. From there they rise or fall based on results. Of the 25 players rated 2240 in August 2013, 11 increased their rating (and rank) while 13 declined (one was missing from the August 2014 list). Ding Hao, ranked at 145 in the list above, was the fastest rising new face from 2013 and just cracked the top 150. How did the ratings makers decide the level for introducing the new pros?
2. It also appears that most pros are inactive most of the time (in that their ratings do not change at all from one month to the next), in terms of rated games. For example, in May and June of this year 71% and 77% of ratings, respectively, showed no change over the preceding month. Is that an artifact of the way ratings are calculated or are average pros really that inactive in terms of tournament games? Which games/tournaments are included in the ratings?
_________________ Dave Sigaty "Short-lived are both the praiser and the praised, and rememberer and the remembered..." - Marcus Aurelius; Meditations, VIII 21
2. It also appears that most pros are inactive most of the time (in that their ratings do not change at all from one month to the next), in terms of rated games. For example, in May and June of this year 71% and 77% of ratings, respectively, showed no change over the preceding month. Is that an artifact of the way ratings are calculated or are average pros really that inactive in terms of tournament games? Which games/tournaments are included in the ratings?
no change does not necessarily mean inactive. it could mean that the net change from their games resulted in no change.
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Keep in mind that the new Top-150 list shows the change from a year earlier. Here is a little table I made showing the month-to-month figures. I split out the top-100 versus 'the rest'. If no-rating-change = inactivity, then the life for the 'the rest' looks challenging. This is similar to Japan, but maybe more so!
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BTW, here also is a little graph of pro ratings versus ranks. My take is that moving up through the ranks is a progressively greater challenge as we climb the slope toward the left - I like the imagery.
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Below is the same data plotted as a histogram. Not as exciting IMHO. Again the spike at the 2221-2240 bin is caused by the 25 new pros at 2240.
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Again the spike at the 2221-2240 bin is caused by the 25 new pros at 2240.