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yoyoma · **#61**

http://www.cyberoro.com/news/news_view. ... =1&cmt_n=0

A few things Lee Seedol said from the article:

Of all the world finals I've played, this is the biggest reversal (losing a game you were winning) I've suffered.
Why didn't I see "that" move, I had 4 one minute byo-yomi periods left...
There were many roads to victory.
The simplest method was what the Wbaduk commentator Youngho Heo showed.

I looked over the Wbaduk commentary but I can't pinpoint exactly where "that" move that Seedol referred to, but I think the commentator is saying W128 should be E10.

trout · **#62**

yoyoma wrote:

I looked over the Wbaduk commentary but I can't pinpoint exactly where "that" move that Seedol referred to, but I think the commentator is saying W128 should be E10.

Look at the last board of next link.

http://www.cyberoro.com/news/news_view. ... num=521166

yoyoma · **#63**

trout wrote:

yoyoma wrote:

I looked over the Wbaduk commentary but I can't pinpoint exactly where "that" move that Seedol referred to, but I think the commentator is saying W128 should be E10.

Look at the last board of next link.

http://www.cyberoro.com/news/news_view. ... num=521166

Thanks. So it was White's move 130 (not W128) that should be E10.

trout · **#64**

The final 3rd game,

Ke Jie(w) defeated Lee Sedol(b) by resign.

Ke Jie vs Lee Sedol - 2:1

12/30/15 1st game 10:30 am Choi Cheolhan 9p review
12/31/15 2nd game 10:30 am Heo Youngho 9p
1/2/16 3rd game 10:30 am Cho Hanseung 9p
1/4/16 4th game 10:30 am Lee Younggoo 9p (Just finished his Military compulsory duty.)
1/5/16 5th game 10:30 am ???????

Uberdude · **#65**

I don't know if the times given in the wbaduk app can be trusted, but when I checked the latest game (a bit before when they were fighting that ko on the left side) Lee had used all of his 3 hours main time and was in byo-yomi whilst Ke still had about two and a half hours left! Seeing as Ke has won the last 2 games thanks to pretty basic (by pro level) mistakes by Lee it seems he is benefiting a lot from being able to play at a high level quickly to pile the pressure on Lee and elicit blunders in the later game from him.

Jhyn · **#66**

Uberdude wrote:

I don't know if the times given in the wbaduk app can be trusted, but when I checked the latest game (a bit before when they were fighting that ko on the left side) Lee had used all of his 3 hours main time and was in byo-yomi whilst Ke still had about two and a half hours left! Seeing as Ke has won the last 2 games thanks to pretty basic (by pro level) mistakes by Lee it seems he is benefiting a lot from being able to play at a high level quickly to pile the pressure on Lee and elicit blunders in the later game from him.

They are definitely not accurate. More than once Lee Sedol was shown with no time left (0 seconds, last overtime) for a while. This being said, I agree that Ke seems to be playing faster than Lee in the middlegame.

macelee · **#67**

Ke Jie indeed played much faster. Lee Sedol was in byo-yomi when Ke Jie started the ko fight (around move 120). Ke Jie had more than 1.5 hours left when the game completed.

joppon · **#68**

Uberdude wrote:

Quote:

I don't know if the times given in the wbaduk app can be trusted, but when I checked the latest game (a bit before when they were fighting that ko on the left side) Lee had used all of his 3 hours main time and was in byo-yomi whilst Ke still had about two and a half hours left! Seeing as Ke has won the last 2 games thanks to pretty basic (by pro level) mistakes by Lee it seems he is benefiting a lot from being able to play at a high level quickly to pile the pressure on Lee and elicit blunders in the later game from him.

In game 2 W38, if memory serves, seemed to surprise Ke Jie. He spent 20 minutes on it. So by the time Ke was in byoyomi Lee Sedol had about 20 minutes left, and had plenty of time to carefully read.

In game 3 Lee Sedol's blunder was, apparently, B23. Which Ke Jie tenukied. Before that Lee spent no more than five minutes on a move. For B23 he spent at least 20 minutes and subsequently spent at least ten minutes on many moves throughout. By the time they broke for lunch Lee had spent about 2 hrs whilst Ke had spent about 13 minutes.

Assuming wbaduk's timing was correct.

Joaz Banbeck · **#69**

GAME 3

trout · **#70**

The lopsided time remaining is due to Lunch hour(1 hour) not added to whoever was supposed to play after Lunch.

yoyoma · **#71**

http://www.cyberoro.com/news/news_view. ... =1&cmt_n=0

During the game review Lee Sedol was sad that he didn't play 109 at J7 to destroy white's shape, instead of blocking at G12. You can see diagrams of this in the article above.

trout · **#72**

The final 4th game,

Lee Sedol(w) defeated Ke Jie(b) by resign.

Ke Jie vs Lee Sedol - 2:2

12/30/15 1st game 10:30 am Choi Cheolhan 9p review
12/31/15 2nd game 10:30 am Heo Youngho 9p
1/2/16 3rd game 10:30 am Cho Hanseung 9p
1/4/16 4th game 10:30 am Lee Younggoo 9p (Just finished his Military compulsory duty.)
1/5/16 5th game 10:30 am ???????

wineandgolover · **#73**

AGA's broadcast of game four was great. They will broadcast the final game live as well.

If F6 was indeed a joseki mistake, that's at least the second time recently that Ke Jie has fallen behind because somebody played an old joseki. Youth has its advantages, and I guess it's drawbacks, too.

I am looking forward to the final game!

Joaz Banbeck · **#74**

Game 4

mhlepore · **#75**

wineandgolover wrote:

AGA's broadcast of game four was great. They will broadcast the final game live as well.

If F6 was indeed a joseki mistake, that's at least the second time recently that Ke Jie has fallen behind because somebody played an old joseki. Youth has its advantages, and I guess it's drawbacks, too.

I am looking forward to the final game!

Didn't watch the AGA broadcast - F6 was really called a joseki mistake? I would have thought this was well beyond the joseki.

yoyoma · **#76**

mhlepore wrote:

wineandgolover wrote:

AGA's broadcast of game four was great. They will broadcast the final game live as well.

If F6 was indeed a joseki mistake, that's at least the second time recently that Ke Jie has fallen behind because somebody played an old joseki. Youth has its advantages, and I guess it's drawbacks, too.

I am looking forward to the final game!

Didn't watch the AGA broadcast - F6 was really called a joseki mistake? I would have thought this was well beyond the joseki.

Eidogo lists several choices, but not F6
http://eidogo.com/#kjd:odqdqcrcpcrekcttqfpepgoengmg

Josekipedia says F6 is ok
http://eidogo.com/#kjd:odqdqcrcpcrekcttqfpepgoengmg

I don't know if something about the whole board makes F6 bad... I forgot exactly what Myungwan said about why it was bad.

Uberdude · **#77**

f6 was move 51, which is not what those links are about. I presume wineandgolover didn't really mean f6. f6 is long past joseki and wasn't criticised by Myungwan.

trout · **#78**

The final 5th game,

Ke Jie(b) defeated Lee Sedol(w) by 0.5.

Ke Jie vs Lee Sedol - 3:2

Ke Jie wins Mlily cup.

handa711 · **#79**

The very last game of the grand finals ending in 0.5-point difference? is this a fairy tale?

mitsun · **#80**

Result depended on Chinese rules, which let Ke Jie play dame while final ko was open, then win final ko after filling last dame. Can't get closer than that :shock:

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