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Offline gogameguru
 Post subject: Classic Go Games: Nominate your favorite game for analysis
Post #1 Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2013 12:24 am 
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Since it's a quiet time of year, Younggil would like you to recommend some classic Go games for him to comment.

More details here: http://gogameguru.com/classic-go-games- ... -analysis/ :)

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 Post subject: Re: Classic Go Games: Nominate your favorite game for analys
Post #2 Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2013 6:31 am 
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I'll start things off by nominating Game 1 of the Kamakura Jubango (Kitani Minoru (B) vs. Go Seigen (W) 1939)
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 Post subject: Re: Classic Go Games: Nominate your favorite game for analys
Post #3 Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2013 9:37 am 
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I also posted this on the linked to page...

How about either game 2 or game 3 of the 1983 Kisei title, Cho Chikun vs. Fujisawa Shuko (or really any game in this series)? 1983 was when Cho finally brought an end to Fujisawa's 6 year dominance of this title (though doing so took the full 7 games). Alternatively, if someone wants to point me to an English commentary that exists on his series I'd love to see it.

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Offline Bill Spight
 Post subject: Re: Classic Go Games: Nominate your favorite game for analys
Post #4 Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2013 9:55 am 
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My lineup. :)



A knock-down-drag-out 4 stone game against possibly the strongest fighter in history! After all the fireworks, it comes down to a one point win. :mrgreen:



The divine Dosaku surpasses human understanding.



A very instructive game from the 19th century, and a masterpiece for a 4 dan!



Yasui Senchi's debut in a Castle Game (2 stones). Senchi understood the center like no one else of his time. :)



Gembi vs. Jowa! Where do you play :b43:? :)

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Post #5 Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2013 6:24 pm 
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gowan wrote:
I'll start things off by nominating Game 1 of the Kamakura Jubango (Kitani Minoru (B) vs. Go Seigen (W) 1939)


There is already an excellent English commentary of this is John Fairbairn's book 'Kamakura'. Wouldn't it be more efficient to comment new games?
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Post #6 Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2013 7:14 pm 
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Uberdude wrote:
gowan wrote:
I'll start things off by nominating Game 1 of the Kamakura Jubango (Kitani Minoru (B) vs. Go Seigen (W) 1939)

There is already an excellent English commentary of this is John Fairbairn's book 'Kamakura'. Wouldn't it be more efficient to comment new games?

And then again, it might be quite interesting to compare two commentaries, I think. I’ll never forget the amazing experience of parallel reading three different translations (into German) of Lao Tse/Lau Dse/Lao Tsu/[…] him his Tao Te King/Dao De Jing/[…]. After that I could never really trust in any single translation of texts in an Asian language anymore :-D

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Offline gowan
 Post subject: Re: Classic Go Games: Nominate your favorite game for analys
Post #7 Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2013 7:41 pm 
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Uberdude wrote:
gowan wrote:
I'll start things off by nominating Game 1 of the Kamakura Jubango (Kitani Minoru (B) vs. Go Seigen (W) 1939)


There is already an excellent English commentary of this is John Fairbairn's book 'Kamakura'. Wouldn't it be more efficient to comment new games?


Fairbairn's commentaries are, I think, based on several Japanese commentaries. I would be interested to see the Korean take on the game for comparison. And, since the game is a great masterpiece no commentary will exhaust what there is to learn.
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Offline skydyr
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Post #8 Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2013 9:34 pm 
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Bonobo wrote:
Uberdude wrote:
gowan wrote:
I'll start things off by nominating Game 1 of the Kamakura Jubango (Kitani Minoru (B) vs. Go Seigen (W) 1939)

There is already an excellent English commentary of this is John Fairbairn's book 'Kamakura'. Wouldn't it be more efficient to comment new games?

And then again, it might be quite interesting to compare two commentaries, I think. I’ll never forget the amazing experience of parallel reading three different translations (into German) of Lao Tse/Lau Dse/Lao Tsu/[…] him his Tao Te King/Dao De Jing/[…]. After that I could never really trust in any single translation of texts in an Asian language anymore :-D


You can run into this problem even translating languages as similar as English, French, and German.

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Offline aconley
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Post #9 Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2013 1:04 pm 
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I would rather see something where there isn't a high-quality english commentary immediately available.

Any game from Huang Longshi, or Jowa vs. Gennan Inseki would be great.
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Offline TIM82
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Post #10 Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2013 1:24 pm 
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Mef wrote:
I also posted this on the linked to page...

How about either game 2 or game 3 of the 1983 Kisei title, Cho Chikun vs. Fujisawa Shuko (or really any game in this series)? 1983 was when Cho finally brought an end to Fujisawa's 6 year dominance of this title (though doing so took the full 7 games). Alternatively, if someone wants to point me to an English commentary that exists on his series I'd love to see it.

Edit:

Added SGF Files below in the hide tag -
Game 2:


Game 3:


John Power: "The games of Fujisawa Shuko" has commentaries of all seven games (and the earlier six matches) in English. Well worth the money :tmbup: available at least on Smartgo books on iPad and also on paper, I think.
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Offline TIM82
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Post #11 Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2013 1:26 pm 
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gowan wrote:
Uberdude wrote:
gowan wrote:
I'll start things off by nominating Game 1 of the Kamakura Jubango (Kitani Minoru (B) vs. Go Seigen (W) 1939)


There is already an excellent English commentary of this is John Fairbairn's book 'Kamakura'. Wouldn't it be more efficient to comment new games?


Fairbairn's commentaries are, I think, based on several Japanese commentaries. I would be interested to see the Korean take on the game for comparison. And, since the game is a great masterpiece no commentary will exhaust what there is to learn.


+1 to this, any game where another English commentary exists would be extra-interesting.
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Offline Mef
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Post #12 Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2013 4:14 pm 
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TIM82 wrote:
John Power: "The games of Fujisawa Shuko" has commentaries of all seven games (and the earlier six matches) in English. Well worth the money :tmbup: available at least on Smartgo books on iPad and also on paper, I think.



Unfortunately everything I've been able to find on it say it's only available via iOS.
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