Who stands better in this fuseki?

mitsun · **#181**

I think W is slightly better, because the B stones on the left seem just a bit over-concentrated. But the difference is not enough to affect the outcome at my level. This does not look like a moyo game, so as B I would just develop normally in the lower right corner with R6. B should think soon about breaking up the W top position with K16 or L17, but perhaps not quite yet.

Bill Spight · **#182**

White may be a little bit ahead.

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I am happy to treat the bottom and right sides as miai. Black's moyo is too small and solid to make a play on the frontier of moyos, I think. White would gain more from solidifying his moyo.

So I incline towards invading the top side. Had :wc:

been low, a reduction would look better.

Anyway, I don't think that there is much to choose between plays on the top, right, or bottom sides (including Uberdude's O-03 and mitsun's R-06).

Pippen · **#183**

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Since you all think Black did not too good I wonder where it happened. Maybe 9 is too passive or 7 already?

Kirby · **#184**

Did you consider double approach? Typically the 2nd line move white plays is only good when white has friends on both sides so that he can split and attack:

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Maybe you can even double approach earlier when he does it in the top left - you already have an extension on the left, after all.

Bill Spight · **#185**

Pippen wrote:

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Since you all think Black did not too good I wonder where it happened. Maybe 9 is too passive or 7 already?

sucks. It extends from a secure group.

To put it another way, after :b5:

the temperature on the left side has dropped.

Kirby · **#186**

Bill Spight wrote:

:b7: sucks. It extends from a secure group.

True.

jeromie · **#187**

Bill Spight wrote:

sucks. It extends from a secure group.

I am just beginning to figure this out in my own games, and at my level it represents a monumental shift in how I consider where I should play.

Just wanted to let you guys know that I may not have much to contribute, but I appreciate being able to listen in on a dan level fuseki conversation. :-)

Pippen · **#188**

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So according to Bill 'a' is not a good move and I can't see why. Because no matter what, Black will keep sente, also kirby said correctly how to deal with the undercut by double approach. So what move is better than 'a'?

Here is how my plan would normally unfold:

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Doesn't Black look good here?

Shaddy · **#189**

Bill just said why- 'a' extends from a secure group. The proverb says "Don't play near thickness", and that applies here. Your diagram shows Black overconcentrated on the left side with about 20 points, maybe 25. White's top left corner alone is 20 points.

Bill Spight · **#190**

Pippen wrote:

Here is how my plan would normally unfold:

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Doesn't Black look good here?

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Kirby · **#191**

This move, I think, should be better:

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Bottom side is open area. You have stable position on the left, so white can't get many points there.

So start something new on the bottom, I'd say.

Kirby · **#192**

Though, I'm still not 100% sure about this move to begin with:

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I almost want to double approach here, too. Maybe I just like double approaching too much :-p

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Pippen · **#193**

Shaddy wrote:

Bill just said why- 'a' extends from a secure group. The proverb says "Don't play near thickness", and that applies here. Your diagram shows Black overconcentrated on the left side with about 20 points, maybe 25. White's top left corner alone is 20 points.

Damn, you're right. It's so deceiving. Black's side looks so bold, but it's actually even smaller than White's top corner.

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I'd aagree that the marked move is best now. Thx to all for making me see that.

Pippen · **#194**

Is this looking good or bad for White? I wonder if 2 was a good move and I wonder where to play next as White. I did choose 'a'.

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Bill Spight · **#195**

Pippen wrote:

Is this looking good or bad for White? I wonder if 2 was a good move and I wonder where to play next as White. I did choose 'a'.

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IMHO,

is not good. Jowa says, Don't run.

And :w4:

would be better at 5.

Pippen · **#196**

@Bill: White to play. Where would u play now? Would u strengthen rather the right side or the left side or keep the single black stone attacked?

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Bill Spight · **#197**

Pippen wrote:

@Bill: White to play. Where would u play now? Would u strengthen rather the right side or the left side or keep the single black stone attacked?

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The bottom side and right side are both big. Considering Black's overconcentration on the top, I would probably strengthen the right side, because it makes the game somewhat easier. White usually plays to make the game harder for Black, but White already has an edge, IMO.

Pippen · **#198**

Black to play. Who is better here and where should Black play?

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jeromie · **#199**

I'm obviously much weaker than you, but I'd like to take a stab at analyzing the position before the more experienced folks weigh in with their opinions.

The upper right looks like the standard joseki that every kyu knows, and there's nothing about the surrounding stones that would make those moves a poor choice. So I'll call that even.

It's the bottom that looks different - to my eye black looks thin, with weaknesses around H3 and M3. I don't think they are immediately exploitable, but there is the suggestion of much more bottom territory than black can expect to end up with. White, on the other hand looks solid, though the lower left is still vulnerable to attack.

As black I would be torn between between one more move on the bottom to shore up the area there (I'd fear white enclosing the lower left in sente, for example) versus taking a big point on the left side. Personally, I'd probably play on the bottom - it looks like white could get a lot of profit there otherwise. A purely defensive move doesn't seem consistent with black's style of play, though, so perhaps invading the lower left corner at the C3 and hoping that the black stones on the bottom mitigate the influence white will gain?

Bill Spight · **#200**

OK, I'll bite.

The position looks about even to me. Black has a bit more influence, but is thin.

There are a number of good places to play. Kyu players should probably pick one of them at random, as a learning opportunity.

Edit: I don't think that invading the bottom left corner is one of them.

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I lean towards :b1:

. If White responds with :w2:

, I don't much care about the invasion at "b". I might try "a" if I'm feeling frisky.

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