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 Post subject: 1-space pincer, 2-space jump, clamp
Post #1 Posted: Wed May 18, 2016 6:13 am 
Gosei
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What is the best play for both sides after this?

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 Post subject: Re: 1-space pincer, 2-space jump, clamp
Post #2 Posted: Wed May 18, 2016 8:09 am 
Judan

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I wouldn't guarantee this as beset for both, but this is a good starting point:

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$$ | . . . . 7 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O 5 6 . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 1 X 3 O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . 2 W 4 8 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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Black gets the corner and white a wall. If white 8 is hane to the left of 7 black connects and if white connects then black cuts at 8 and should have the better of the fight (so of course nearby position can change this). After 8 connect black could connect the pincer to the corner on the top, or extend with his left side stone and allow white to split there. It's quite a thin way of playing, but speedy and if white attacks too hard black can point out that white's wall doesn't actually have 2 eyes either.

If white blocks with 2 below then black can connect. It's low but if we continue like joseki the exchange of the marked stone for 3 is a little bad aji keshi for white.
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$$ | . 6 O . . 4 X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . 7 , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |[/go]


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Post #3 Posted: Wed May 18, 2016 8:54 am 
Gosei
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Thanks, I was a bit worried about the fight, but you're right it looks very hard for white:

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[go]$$W
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


At least up to here it seems like black will catch one of the two groups.

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