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Offline yoyoma
 Post subject: $14,400 prize for the first to beat Master
Post #1 Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2017 1:14 pm 
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http://www.han-q.com/pn/bbs/board.php?b ... &wr_id=250
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<빅이벤트>master 9단에게 최초 승리시 상금 10만위안(한화 1천7백만원)

master 9단에게 현상금 10만위안(한화 1천7백만원)이 걸렸다.
master 9단은 2일 한큐바둑을 통해 자신을 최초로 이기는 사람에게 상금 10만위안(한화 1천7백만원)을 지급하겠다고 밝혔다.
한큐바둑의 사이트 접속은 단 2일간(2일~3일)만 할 예정이며, 하루에 10국정도 소화할 계획이다.
또한, 대국 신청시 수락 여부는 master 9단이 결정한다고 한다.
제한된 일정과 대국수를 소화하려고 계획했기때문에 한,중,일 일류 기사들이 도전하기를 원하다고 소회를 밝혔다.
한국의 바둑 영웅들이여, 지금 바로 master 9단에게 도전하라!

My translation, please let me know if there are mistakes:
Master 9d is offering 100,000yuan (~$14,000 USD) to the first person who beats it. It will play on han-q (is this the same as Fox? maybe the Korean name for it?) for 2 days, January 2-3, 10 games each day. Master will decide who it plays. Korean, Chinese, and Japanese pros who want to play let Master know. Korea's Baduk heros, let's challenge Master 9d now!

ETA: Everyone assumes Master is an AI, but there isn't any firm evidence about who is behind it.


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Offline DrStraw
 Post subject: Re: $14,400 prize for the first to beat Master
Post #2 Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2017 1:18 pm 
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I take it Master is a computer program. I don't think I am familiar with it but perhaps I just forgot because others are getting all the headlines.

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Offline pookpooi
 Post subject: Re: $14,400 prize for the first to beat Master
Post #3 Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2017 1:21 pm 
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The first day was already ended for Asian time zone.
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Offline dfan
 Post subject: Re: $14,400 prize for the first to beat Master
Post #4 Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2017 1:41 pm 
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DrStraw wrote:
I take it Master is a computer program. I don't think I am familiar with it but perhaps I just forgot because others are getting all the headlines.

You are correct. It has gone 30-0 (maybe more by now) over the last few days against pros, including Ke Jie and Park Junghwan. See this thread.

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Offline Bonobo
 Post subject: Re: $14,400 prize for the first to beat Master
Post #5 Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2017 2:25 pm 
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dfan wrote:
It has gone 30-0 (maybe more by now) over the last few days against pros, including Ke Jie and Park Junghwan. See this thread.
41-0 meanwhile, as far as I have read somewhere here, on r/baduk, or in the German DGoB forum.

Also won against Gu Li and Iyama Yuta, IIRC.

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Offline GoRo
 Post subject: Re: $14,400 prize for the first to beat Master
Post #6 Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2017 2:55 pm 
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Bonobo wrote:
dfan wrote:
It has gone 30-0 (maybe more by now) over the last few days against pros, including Ke Jie and Park Junghwan. See this thread.
41-0 meanwhile, as far as I have read somewhere here, on r/baduk, or in the German DGoB forum.
Also won against Gu Li and Iyama Yuta, IIRC.
All 41 games are lined up here: http://www.go-baduk-weiqi.de/masterp-sc ... go-profis/

It would be nice to know the real names of these players (to complete the overview):
game 01, Tygem, manhan7(P)
game 02, Tygem, bandari(P)
game 03, Tygem, ShengR(P)
game 07, Tygem, cfs(P)
game 11, Tygem, FengYu(P)
game 12, Tygem, atomy(P)
game 13, Tygem, YuSSSS(P)
game 40, Fox.., <cannot decipher>
game 41, Fox.., airforce9

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Offline DrStraw
 Post subject: Re: $14,400 prize for the first to beat Master
Post #7 Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2017 3:49 pm 
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dfan wrote:
DrStraw wrote:
I take it Master is a computer program. I don't think I am familiar with it but perhaps I just forgot because others are getting all the headlines.

You are correct. It has gone 30-0 (maybe more by now) over the last few days against pros, including Ke Jie and Park Junghwan. See this thread.


I had not even looked at that thread. I assumed it was about people wanting to make contact on TyGem and as I do not play there I ignored it. It needed a better title.

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Offline pookpooi
 Post subject: Re: $14,400 prize for the first to beat Master
Post #8 Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2017 5:18 pm 
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Japanese Twitters seem to believe that the 41st game (11th in Fox server) it's Master vs. Kim Jiseok.
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Offline xiayun
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Post #9 Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2017 1:14 am 
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GoRo wrote:
game 40, Fox.., <cannot decipher>
game 41, Fox.., airforce9


Game 40 was against Meng Tailing and 41 was Kim Jiseok.

Today's games so far:

42 - Yang Dingxin
43 - Kang Dongyun
44 - An Sungjoon
45 - Shi Yue
46 - Lian Xiao

All wins still.
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Offline pookpooi
 Post subject: Re: $14,400 prize for the first to beat Master
Post #10 Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2017 1:15 am 
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From this
http://weiqi.qq.com/news/8515.html
It seems like this is not cash prize provide by Master, but a bounty reward put on by Fox server and Gu Li.

Put bounty reward on who's the first to take AI down, am I living in the future? lol, but let me add plot twist, what if another AI (like AlphaGo) is the one who defeat Master?
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Offline GoRo
 Post subject: Re: $14,400 prize for the first to beat Master
Post #11 Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2017 4:21 am 
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Fox overcrowded now - what a pity. Wanted to watch the Master live ...
Please keep us informed, lucky lurkers!

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Offline johnsmith
 Post subject: Re: $14,400 prize for the first to beat Master
Post #12 Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2017 5:34 am 
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Somebody is updating games at gokifu.
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Offline pookpooi
 Post subject: Re: $14,400 prize for the first to beat Master
Post #13 Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2017 5:50 am 
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47th Tan Xiao
48th Park Junghwan
49th Weon Seongjin
Now that I've watched it live, there's one minute main time and 30 seconds 3 period of byoyomi
Master play all moves within 10 seconds, thus pro will easily fall into time pressure.
update: 50th Ke Jie


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Offline Charlie
 Post subject: Re: $14,400 prize for the first to beat Master
Post #14 Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2017 6:39 am 
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Everyone assumes Master is an AI, but there isn't any firm evidence...


Master is actually Sai. Having spent the last year studying AlphaGo's matches and joseki, he has returned.
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Post #15 Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2017 7:42 am 
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Whilst I don't think Master is AlphaGo*, that last game against Ke Jie with the white top left invading group eventually turning the tables and counter-attacking black did rather remind me of AlphaGo vs Lee Sedol game 3.

* because of the weirder opening style, though quite possibly since LSD AlphaGo has gotten stronger and free-er so changed style, maybe newly trained from self-play rather than humans.
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Offline pookpooi
 Post subject: Re: $14,400 prize for the first to beat Master
Post #16 Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2017 7:55 am 
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Uberdude wrote:
Whilst I don't think Master is AlphaGo*, that last game against Ke Jie with the white top left invading group eventually turning the tables and counter-attacking black did rather remind me of AlphaGo vs Lee Sedol game 3.

* because of the weirder opening style, though quite possibly since LSD AlphaGo has gotten stronger and free-er so changed style, maybe newly trained from self-play rather than humans.

Chatting in KGS and someone said that Tencent guy said that 'this dog is not that dog' (dog = alphago's nickname?)
Anyway, I rule out Chinese and Japanese AI since it's highly unlikely that they'll use South Korean flag.
If it's South Korean AI, then it's definitely Dolbaram
If it's not, my second choice is Deepmind's AI (AlphaGo or new AI), followed by CrazyStone.
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Offline xiayun
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Post #17 Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2017 10:52 pm 
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A source from West China City Daily claimed that Master is indeed a newer version of AlphaGo, currently in beta: http://sports.sina.com.cn/go/2017-01-04 ... 4149.shtml (in Chinese). Still very unofficial though. It does make sense in that AlphaGo was given a honorary 9P by Korean Baduk Association after the Lee Sedol matches.

Playing Nie Weiping now, with 3 60-seconds byoyomi to compensate for his age (so I guess there are definitely some negotiation behind the scenes).

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Offline pookpooi
 Post subject: Re: $14,400 prize for the first to beat Master
Post #18 Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2017 1:19 am 
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Someone assume that Fan Hui is behind cause some of his pro friends get to play more than others.

Winrate of bots
Master 98% Tygem and Fox (due to tie game because of Chen Yaoye's disconnection)
DeepZenGo 90% Tygem
Xing Tian 84% Fox
Jueyi 70% Fox

All bots are against 9d in even match.

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Offline xiayun
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Post #19 Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2017 1:27 am 
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Master thanked Nie Weiping in traditional Chinese ("謝謝聶老師") in the end, so still think it's Aja Huang behind given he's from Taiwan.
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Post #20 Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2017 2:30 am 
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Of course not only neural network. The main power is still Monte Carlo tree search. Neural network just decreases the number of candidate moves. So compute power plays decisive role.
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