pretext: bigdoug had made a vaguely racial comment about how asians cannot pronounce the letter r. a lot of peoples had been discussing it, but i was not part of the discussion at all. then i made a fairly innocuous comment about the whole situation as it finished up (you can see the comments from supervirus that more or less corroborate what i had said)

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then i get this pm



again, he refuses to acknowledge what i actually did wrong, he spreads judgement in private so that nobody else can see what hes doing, and then purposely ignored me, while claiming that i "distort" his comments, like im somehow doing that with screenshots...

I once got kickbanned for saying "so bigdoug does have a sense of humor", after he said something over the top even by his standards (can't remember exact context).

I believe the ban-message was "no trolling the admins" or something.
I thought it was kind of funny.


Well, what do you expect from an admin whose nick sounds suspiciously like big dick? (Generally, an admin nick incorporating the adjective "big" should give off big flashing warning signs.)

I think “big” may be the usual US American euphemism for “obese” <shrug>

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I trust you wits were offering similar clever comments while watching bigbadwolf play? Or Bigriver?

@leichtloeslich: Reported for language. Those sort of comments also really weaken your argument.

In Doug's case it's simply a reference to him being tall (which he is quite tall)....though I have always secretly suspected it to also be a one off allusion to the 80s arcade game "Dig Dug"

Uh-oh, what will people think of me?

looks like someone doesnt like me posting about their behavior in this topic.

ive been off kgs for the past 24 hrs or so and this pops up when i try to log in

It's not just the name, but the behaviour that goes along with it.

Like, I always figured BD for the kind of guy who might be a police officer in real life who would legally change his name to "Big Policeofficer".
He would always arrive at the scene of the crime late and announce "Hello, I am Big Policeofficer".
His catchphrase is "You're under arrest". Kind of like this guy, only bigger.

@xDragon: What else do you expect? You keep going out of your way to publicly humiliate the guy.

Well, if that really is what is going on, such retaliation would definitely be unprofessional.

And since I am commenting. . . .

As many of you know, back in the 1980s I was one of a group of volunteers, called Helpers, who helped people use an online conferencing service, called Participate, on The Source (now defunct). I was Lead Helper for a year and a half. While discussing a matter privately with a user would show proper consideration for the user by an administrator, the administrator should have no expectation of privacy himself when acting as administrator. To the contrary, the administrator should act as though his own behavior were visible to everyone. For an administrator to invoke his own privacy concerns violates the professional norm of transparency.

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Those are just assumptions. I seriously doubt admins would ban players on sight just for that (rantings). There probably is a long history before, that no one other than Xdragon or the admins know anyway.

I'm not disputing the hypothetical inappropriateness of BigDoug's behaviour, just saying that it isn't proof that he's a terrible person. An Admin shouldn't hold a grudge and looking at any of these incidents individually he seems out of line, but this thread also makes it clear that XDragon is not the benign user he tries to paint himself as and I can hardly blame BigDoug for being upset with him.

That's not to say he's not right to expose the wrongful bans etc, and I have been thoroughly convinced that there is something severely wrong with the way the KGS admin team works*, but this grudge between them obviously goes back well beyond anything documented in this thread so it's impossible to tell if Xdragon is really blameless. All I see in the current situation is two people doing there best to undermine each other.

*Mostly by there own contributions to this thread. They seem to have a culture of "them vs us".

Funny, you accuse Bill of making assumptions, and then immediately speculate in your next two sentences. Was the irony intentional?

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well for years i left the stuff he did to me undocumented but then everyone would insist that im not telling the whole truth and that i was the one to blame somehow when i would mention what hes doing. now im just screenshotting every inappropriate encounter he has with me, so that people cant say that im hiding anything

as for an update, i sent an admin email. seventeen got back to me pretty quickly asking for my username since i had forgotten to put it. i gave it immediately, like a minute after and then they just disappeared, havent gotten an answer in the last 8 hours

I do not read him that way. At least as far as my remarks are concerned, we seem to agree that we do not know exactly what happened.

As far as the failure of Big Doug to defend himself in another forum, even if that failure may make him look bad, I think that that is entirely appropriate. I have been in similar situations myself, and you just have to bite the bullet, even if you think that your are being unfairly attacked or blamed.

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From the admin's point of view, Pericles' guess is quite perceptive.

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i dont know if you realize how annoying it gets whenever bigdoug does someting inappropriate and abuses his position of power, and i provide proof of it, many of you will blindly defend and assume that i did something wrong. maybe i did something wrong a long time ago but that doesnt mean that doug should be allowed to just create reasons to ban me. why would i lie about any of it? chat logs are kept, any admin could research it and find that at least in any of these scenarios, it went exactly as described

its so strange how the go community willfully ignores such things. you claim to respect people but you really dont. anyone with any kind of respect for people and the game of go would try to remove bad influences from the game, much less positions of power, and bigdoug is certainly a bad influence. several times over the years ive seen him treat new players rudely and make them leave.

ignoring the issue just makes it worse, and many of you not only let it happen, you encourage it while wms just idly sits by.

edit: oh look what i just got

Why does a thread which purports to discuss the unprofessional behavior of a bunch of amateurs (aka volunteers) generate so many posts?

Of course their behavior is unprofessional - they are not professionals !!!!!!!!!!!

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because you seem to have the assumption that just because theyre not paid theyre allowed to act terribly and do what they want with zero consequence. its possible to act professional and not be paid at the same time you know. but i know youre a former admin so whats the point?