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 Post subject: Re: #241 : xoxo88 vs Loons
Post #101 Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2014 4:38 pm 
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$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 X 4 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O O . . |
$$ | . . 2 , . . O . . , . X . X O X 3 5 . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . X . X O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . O 7 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 1 O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . O X . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X O O . X O . X . . . . . X X O O . |
$$ | . O . . . . O X . . . . . X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O , . . . X O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X . . . X . X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


seems he decided to bleed... painfoul to give me this attack, but exactly what i need to get some stones in front of this white moyo on the left, so i wont complain. btw corner ofc not alive yet. as soon ive got some room, he needs to come back there again otherwise i extend to q19... another point why this cant be good for white: i can make use of the unreached solidness of this top group without caring for anything (in difference to this bottom stuff... finally i can enjoy a decent attack and not any moyo invading detritus (edit: does this forum rly censor s h i t??? take that censorship!!! thats something natural what... okay i wont deepen that, just wtf?) where i crawl for a life.)

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Post #102 Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2014 5:20 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm69 :w1:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 X 4 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O O . . |
$$ | . . 2 , . . O . . , . X . X O X 3 5 . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . X . X O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . O 7 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 8 . |
$$ | . 1 O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . O X . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X O O . X O . X . . . . . X X O O . |
$$ | . O . . . . O X . . . . . X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O , . . . X O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X . . . X . X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

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[go]$$Bcm69 :w1:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 X 4 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O O . . |
$$ | . . 2 , . . O . . , . X . X O X 3 5 . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . X . X O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . 9 O 7 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 0 . 8 . |
$$ | . 1 O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . O X . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X O O . X O . X . . . . . X X O O . |
$$ | . O . . . . O X . . . . . X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O , . . . X O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X . . . X . X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

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Post #103 Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2014 5:40 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm69 :w1:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 X 4 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O O . . |
$$ | . . 2 , . . O . . , . X . X O X 3 5 . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . X . X O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . O 7 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 9 8 . |
$$ | . 1 O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . O X . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X O O . X O . X . . . . . X X O O . |
$$ | . O . . . . O X . . . . . X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O , . . . X O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X . . . X . X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


this is going to be a disaster for white, i guess :/

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 Post subject: Re: #241 : xoxo88 vs Loons
Post #104 Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2014 1:00 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm69 :w1:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 X 4 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O O . . |
$$ | . . 2 , . . O . . , . X . X O X 3 5 . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . X . X O O . . 0 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . O 7 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 9 8 . |
$$ | . 1 O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . O X . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X O O . X O . X . . . . . X X O O . |
$$ | . O . . . . O X . . . . . X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O , . . . X O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X . . . X . X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

Well, I've made some series of mistakes and the situation is hard anyway.

Top right is a ko right now rather than being alive which I guess I missed originally.

I really wanted to find a different move on the right, but it seems that I can't quite avoid playing this. I think the game's fairly winnable for either party.

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Post #105 Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2014 10:23 am 
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[go]$$Bcm79 :w1:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O O . . |
$$ | . . O , . . O . . , . X . X O X X X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . X . X O O . . 0 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . 1 O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . O X . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X O O . X O . X . . . . . X X O O . |
$$ | . O . . . . O X . . . . . X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O , . . . X O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X . . . X . X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

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Post #106 Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2014 6:51 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm79 :w1:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O O . . |
$$ | . . O , . . O . . , . X . X O X X X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . X . X O O . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . 1 O C 2 |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . O X . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X O O . X O . X . . . . . X X O O . |
$$ | . O . . . . O X . . . . . X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O , . . . X O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X . . . X . X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

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Post #107 Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2014 8:56 am 
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[go]$$Bcm79 :w1:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O O . . |
$$ | . . O , . . O . . , . X . X O X X X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . X . X O O . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . 1 O . 2 |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 X O . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . O X . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X O O . X O . X . . . . . X X O O . |
$$ | . O . . . . O X . . . . . X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O , . . . X O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X . . . X . X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


Hmm i actually have overseen some problems in this area. im forced to play the ko because the other option would be too good for him. he has plenty of ko threads in the bottom area but since this ko is quite big ill ignore it. also there will be aji after the cut h3 so it should be fine i hope.

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[go]$$Wcm1
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O O . . |
$$ | . . O , . . O . . , . X . X O X X X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . X . X O O 1 2 O 6 |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O 3 . X O 4 O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . 8 . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . O X . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X O O . X O . X . . . . . X X O O . |
$$ | . O . . . . O X 7 . . . . X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O , . . . X O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X 5 . . X . X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

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Post #108 Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2014 9:13 am 
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Question for xoxo88:

Given how he has ko threats, why do you prefer the ko over the below sequence?

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[go]$$Bcm79 :w1:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O O . . |
$$ | . . O , . . O . . , . X . X O X X X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . X . X O O 3 . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . 1 O . 2 |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . O X . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X O O . X O . X . . . . . X X O O . |
$$ | . O . . . . O X . . . . . X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O , . . . X O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X . . . X . X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

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Post #109 Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2014 2:00 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm79 :w1:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O O . . |
$$ | . . O , . . O . . , . X . X O X X X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . X . X O O 4 . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . 1 O . 2 |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 X O . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . O X . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X O O . X O . X . . . . . X X O O . |
$$ | . O . . . . O X . . . . . X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O , . . . X O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X . . . X . X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

How exciting! My plan is convoluted.
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[go]$$Bcm79 :w1:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O O . . |
$$ | . . O , . . O . . , . X . X O X X X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . X . X O O 4 5 O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O 6 . 1 O . 2 |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . C . 3 X O . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . O X . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X O O . X O . X . . . . . X X O O . |
$$ | . O . . . . O X . . . . . X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O , . . . X O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X . . . X . X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

The idea is that 84 gives me a bunch of ko threats on bottom.

Edit: 84 seems better one line up.

Edit 2: I have a feeling black may have played weakly here, either trying to be too solid or trying to get too much.

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Post #110 Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2014 9:53 pm 
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for illluk:
its not an option because i have to give him R13:
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[go]$$Bcm79 :w1:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O O . . |
$$ | . . O , . . O . . , . X . X O X X X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . X . X O O 3 . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . 1 O . 2 |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 4 X O . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . O X . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X O O . X O . X . . . . . X X O O . |
$$ | . O . . . . O X . . . . . X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O , . . . X O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X . . . X . X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


So i have to play like this:
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[go]$$Bcm79 :w1:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O O . . |
$$ | . . O , . . O . . , . X . X O X X X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . X . X O O 3 . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . 1 O . 2 |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 4 X O . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . 6 . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . O X . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X O O . X O . X . . . . . X X O O . |
$$ | . O . . . . O X . . . . . X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O , . . . X O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X . . . X . X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

I dont like the result at all. it gives white not only aji and make the corner safe because he can threat the connection, it also gives him momentum with each stone in a area which might connect the 4 stones.


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[go]$$Bcm79 :w1:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O O . . |
$$ | . . O , . . O . . , . X . X O X X X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . X . X O O 4 5 O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . 1 O . 2 |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 X O . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . O X . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X O O . X O . X . . . . . X X O O . |
$$ | . O . . . . O X . . . . . X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O , . . . X O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X . . . X . X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


I expect this:
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[go]$$Bcm1 :w1:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . b . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O O . . |
$$ | . . O , . . O . . , . X . X O X X X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . X . X O O O X O 3 |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . X C 1 O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . 5 . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . O X . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X O O . X O 6 X . . . . . X X O O . |
$$ | . O . . . . O X 4 . . . . X X O . . . |
$$ | . a . O . . O X O , . . . X O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X 2 . . X . X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


i thought about another option: maybe its good enough to give him the ko. its a 1 step ko for him so i get 2 free moves atleast, should be quite big.

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Post #111 Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2014 11:34 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm79 :w1:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O O . . |
$$ | . . O , . . O . . , . X . X O X X X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . X . X O O 4 5 O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O 6 . 1 O . 2 |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 X O . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . O X . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X O O . X O . X . . . . . X X O O . |
$$ | . O . . . . O X . . . . . X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O , . . . X O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X . . . X . X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

My top right corner is unsettled vs a ko even if black wins the ko, so I think this is okay for me.

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Post #112 Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2014 2:12 am 
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its not an option because i have to give him R13:
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[go]$$Bcm79 :w1:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O O . . |
$$ | . . O , . . O . . , . X . X O X X X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . X . X O O 3 . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O 8 7 1 O . 2 |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 9 6 4 X O . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . O X . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X O O . X O . X . . . . . X X O O . |
$$ | . O . . . . O X . . . . . X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O , . . . X O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X . . . X . X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]



Black isn't dead here, push and cut captures one or other of the white groups. The following looks a sensible continuation:

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[go]$$Wcm88 :w1:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O O 7 9 |
$$ | . . O , . . O . . , . X . X O X X X 8 |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . X . X O O X . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 4 O O X X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 X O O X O . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . 6 0 2 . . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . 3 1 a . . |
$$ | . X . X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O . . . . . b . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . O X . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X O O . X O . X . . . . . X X O O . |
$$ | . O . . . . O X . . . . . X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O , . . . X O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X . . . X . X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


White lives on both sides, but has to take gote at a so black could then patch up around b or do something else. Black doesn't need to ignore any ko threats so this looks better.

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[go]$$Bcm79 :w1: :b1:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O O . . |
$$ | . . O , . . O . . , . X . X O X X X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . X . X O O 4 5 O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O 6 . 1 C 7 2 |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 X O . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . O X . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X O O . X O . X . . . . . X X O O . |
$$ | . O . . . . O X . . . . . X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O , . . . X O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X . . . X . X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

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Post #114 Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2014 10:32 am 
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[go]$$Bcm79 :w1: :b1:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O O . . |
$$ | . . O , . . O . . , . X . X O X X X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . X . X O O 4 5 O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O 6 . 1 . 7 2 |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 X O . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . O X . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X O O . X O . X . . . . . X X O O . |
$$ | . O . . . . O X . . . . . X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O , . . . X O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X 8 . . X . X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

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[go]$$Bcm79 :w1: :b1:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O O . . |
$$ | . . O , . . O . . , . X . X O X X X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . X . X O O 4 5 O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O 6 . 1 . 7 2 |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 X O . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . O X . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X O O . X O . X . . . . . X X O O . |
$$ | . O . . . . O X . . . . . X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O , . . . X O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X 8 9 . X . X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


i let him win this ko. 2 free moves should be worth it. ive counted in this situation but its difficult to count. in territory im ahead by ~ 10 points:
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[go]$$Bc
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . X X . . . . . X X X O O . O |
$$ | . . O , . . O X . , . X . X O , . . O |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . X . X O O O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . O X . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X O O O X O . X . . . . . X X O O . |
$$ | . O . . X O O X . X . . . X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X O X . X . . . X O O O . . |
$$ | . . . O O X X O X . X . X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . X O . . . . X O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


ive counted the right side and the middle for nobody so far but he should have more potential in the mid so maybe the game might be better for him now. nevertheless i dont see any better results if i take the ko...

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Post #116 Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2014 12:26 am 
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[go]$$Bcm79 :w1: :b1:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O O . . |
$$ | . . O , . . O . . , . X . X O X X X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . X . X O O 4 5 O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O 6 . 1 0 C 2 |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 X O . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . O X . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X O O . X O . X . . . . . X X O O . |
$$ | . O . . . . O X . . . . . X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O , . . . X O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X 8 9 . X . X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

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youve forgot to count the capture

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[go]$$Bcm89 :w2: :b1:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O O 1 . |
$$ | . . O , . . O . . , . X . X O X X X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . X . X O O O X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . O X . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X O O . X O . X . . . . . X X O O . |
$$ | . O . . . . O X . . . . . X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O , . . . X O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X O X . X . X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

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Post #118 Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2014 12:51 am 
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Did I have a capture already?
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[go]$$Bcm89 :w2: :b1:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O 2 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O O 1 . |
$$ | . . O , . . O . . , . X . X O X X X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . X . X O O O X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . O X . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X O O . X O . X . . . . . X X O O . |
$$ | . O . . . . O X . . . . . X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O , . . . X O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X O X . X . X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

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the ko-capture i meant

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[go]$$Bcm89 :w2: :b2:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O 2 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O O 1 . |
$$ | . . O , . . O . . , . X . X O X X X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . X . X O O O X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . X C X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . O X . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X O O . X O . X . . . . . X X O O . |
$$ | . O . . . . O X . . . . . X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O , . . . X O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X O X . X . X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

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 Post subject: Re: #241 : xoxo88 vs Loons
Post #120 Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2014 2:10 pm 
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Ah, yes.
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O 2 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O O 1 . |
$$ | . . O , . . O . . , . X . X O X X X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . X . X O O O X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . X C 3 O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . O X . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X O O . X O . X . . . . . X X O O . |
$$ | . O . . . . O X . . . . . X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O , . . . X O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X O X . X . X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 4 . . . . X O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

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