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 Post subject: Re: #244 Bill vs Ed
Post #261 Posted: Fri Dec 19, 2014 2:56 pm 
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2:28 AM?! How is the night life where you are vacationing? :D

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Post #262 Posted: Fri Dec 19, 2014 7:14 pm 
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Aidoneus, just like any other big cities in the world. :)
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$$ | . . . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O . X . . O X . X . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . X X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . X . O O O . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O X . . . O O O X . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O X . . X O X X X . . X . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . X . O O . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . X O O O . . |
$$ | . . O X . X . . . , . . . X O X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O . . . . . X O X O O . . |
$$ | . O X O O . . . . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . X X O . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X X . . . . X . . O . |
$$ | . . X X X O . O O X . . . . O X X O . |
$$ | . X O O X O . . . X . . X X X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O . . . . . . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]
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Post #263 Posted: Fri Dec 19, 2014 7:57 pm 
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Sure, sure, rub it in to a rube from the Indiana sticks! :lol:

I think that White's last move allows C19! I am going to look more carefully in the morning with my coffee before I decide, though.

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Post #264 Posted: Fri Dec 19, 2014 9:07 pm 
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But it's not for me. :)
Today the sun came back out.









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Post #265 Posted: Fri Dec 19, 2014 10:54 pm 
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I have heard strange tales of some bright light in the sky in some distant exotic lands. All I know of personally is a wooly grey sky, punctuated by precipitation every other day. :sad:

Laying in bed, I was struck by an epiphany. After C19, White just connects at E19, duh! Drizzle, drazzle, druzzle, drome, time for this one to come back to bed.

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Post #266 Posted: Fri Dec 19, 2014 11:00 pm 
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Like Seattle and London when I visited. :)

Now digesting lunch. :study:








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Post #267 Posted: Sat Dec 20, 2014 8:14 am 
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$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O . X . . O X . X . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . X X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . X . O O O . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O X . . . O O O X . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O X . . X O X X X . . X . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . X . O O . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . X O O O . . |
$$ | . . O X . X . . 1 , . . . X O X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O . . . . . X O X O O . . |
$$ | . O X O O . . . . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . X X O . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X X . . . . X . . O . |
$$ | . . X X X O . O O X . . . . O X X O . |
$$ | . X O O X O . . . X . . X X X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O . . . . . . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]


Perhaps I can't safely tenuki. I also thought about moves such as F16, H16, and K18. The move played builds my moyo and threatens to connect with an attachment at G10. I'm leaving aji on top, though I'm afraid that it is just bad aji!

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Post #268 Posted: Sat Dec 20, 2014 8:20 am 
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Hmm, tenuki...


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$$ | . . . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O . X . . O X . X . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . X X 1 . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . X . O O O . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O X . . . O O O X . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O X . . X O X X X . . X . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . X . O O . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . X O O O . . |
$$ | . . O X . X . . . , . . . X O X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O . . 2 . . X O X O O . . |
$$ | . O X O O . . . . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . X X O . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X X . . . . X . . O . |
$$ | . . X X X O . O O X . . . . O X X O . |
$$ | . X O O X O . . . X . . X X X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O . . . . . . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]
If B had fixed his shape with something like :b1: , I was studying :w2: .
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[go]$$Wm113
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$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O . X . . O X . X . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . X X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . X . O O O . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O X . . . O O O X . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O X . . X O X X X . . X . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . X . O O . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . X O O O . . |
$$ | . . O X . X . 1 X , . . . X O X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O . . . . . X O X O O . . |
$$ | . O X O O . . . . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . X X O . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X X . . . . X . . O . |
$$ | . . X X X O . O O X . . . . O X X O . |
$$ | . X O O X O . . . X . . X X X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O . . . . . . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]

Cheese sticks, again. :)

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Post #270 Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2014 12:15 am 
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$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O . X . . O X . X . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . X X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . X . O O O . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O X . . . O O O X . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O X . . X O X X X . . X . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . X . O O . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . X O O O . . |
$$ | . . O X . X . O X , . . . X O X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O . 1 . . . X O X O O . . |
$$ | . O X O O . . . . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . X X O . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X X . . . . X . . O . |
$$ | . . X X X O . O O X . . . . O X X O . |
$$ | . X O O X O . . . X . . X X X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O . . . . . . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]


I very quickly dismissed the hane with H11 as too risky after White plays J9, making a tiger's mouth and splitting my top and bottom. This move seems simple and helps secure my potential territory in the lower right center, I think. Of course, it is after 1:00 AM here, and I just noticed Ed's move after getting up to "compel" my wife to put away her grading papers to come to bed.

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$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O . X . . O X . X . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . X X 1 . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . X . O O O . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O X . . . O O O X . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O X . . X O X X X . . X . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . X . O O . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . X O O O . . |
$$ | . . O X . X . O X , . . . X O X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O . X . . . X O X O O . . |
$$ | . O X O O . . . . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . X X O . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X X . . . . X . . O . |
$$ | . . X X X O . O O X . . . . O X X O . |
$$ | . X O O X O . . . X . . X X X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O . . . . . . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]

Digesting lunch, again. :)

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Post #272 Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2014 4:08 am 
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Hope you don't get indigestion from eating all those black stones on the left! ;-)

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Post #273 Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2014 8:37 am 
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Uberdude wrote:
Hope you don't get indigestion from eating all those black stones on the left! ;-)

I think that I turned an appetizer in to a main course!

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$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O . X . . O X 1 X . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . X X O . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . X . O O O . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O X . . . O O O X . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O X . . X O X X X . . X . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . X . O O . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . X O O O . . |
$$ | . . O X . X . O X , . . . X O X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O . X . . . X O X O O . . |
$$ | . O X O O . . . . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . X X O . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X X . . . . X . . O . |
$$ | . . X X X O . O O X . . . . O X X O . |
$$ | . X O O X O . . . X . . X X X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O . . . . . . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]


It looked to me as though White had M17 and H16 as miai, and that either atari still loses all the stones on the left. As Uberdude quipped, I seem to have just added more stones to White's meal. I briefly considered just playing H11 but as far as I can count, White will be ahead with territory plus captured stones and it's game over. It probably is game over still, but let me see if I can save some territory on top right. Yet again, I tenukied to play J10 and should have got another move in at the top first! I didn't look at how my move ended in gote. My self diagnosis may be wrong, but it seems to me that this sente/gote business is something critical for me to study.

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$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O . X . . O X X X . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . 1 X X O . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . X . O O O . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O X . . . O O O X . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O X . . X O X X X . . X . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . X . O O . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . X O O O . . |
$$ | . . O X . X . O X , . . . X O X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O . X . . . X O X O O . . |
$$ | . O X O O . . . . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . X X O . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X X . . . . X . . O . |
$$ | . . X X X O . O O X . . . . O X X O . |
$$ | . X O O X O . . . X . . X X X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O . . . . . . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]
Indigestion is indeed a problem, with the amount of real foods here... :|
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Post #275 Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2014 8:57 pm 
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$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O . X . 1 O X X X . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . O X X O . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . X . O O O . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O X . . . O O O X . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O X . . X O X X X . . X . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . X . O O . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . X O O O . . |
$$ | . . O X . X . O X , . . . X O X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O . X . . . X O X O O . . |
$$ | . O X O O . . . . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . X X O . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X X . . . . X . . O . |
$$ | . . X X X O . O O X . . . . O X X O . |
$$ | . X O O X O . . . X . . X X X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O . . . . . . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]

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$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O . X 1 X O X X X . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . O X X O . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . X . O O O . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O X . . . O O O X . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O X . . X O X X X . . X . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . X . O O . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . X O O O . . |
$$ | . . O X . X . O X , . . . X O X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O . X . . . X O X O O . . |
$$ | . O X O O . . . . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . X X O . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X X . . . . X . . O . |
$$ | . . X X X O . O O X . . . . O X X O . |
$$ | . X O O X O . . . X . . X X X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O . . . . . . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]

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EdLee wrote:
Hi Aidoneus, continue to atari, please.


Eh?

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$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O . X O X O X X X . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . O X X O . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . X . O O O . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O X . . . O O O X . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O X . . X O X X X . . X . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . X . O O . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . X O O O . . |
$$ | . . O X . X . O X , . . . X O X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O . X . . . X O X O O . . |
$$ | . O X O O . . . . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . X X O . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X X . . . . X . . O . |
$$ | . . X X X O . O O X . . . . O X X O . |
$$ | . X O O X O . . . X . . X X X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O . . . . . . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]

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$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . 1 X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O . X O X O X X X . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . O X X O . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . O X O O . X . O O O . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O X . . . O O O X . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O X . . X O X X X . . X . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . X . O O . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . X O O O . . |
$$ | . . O X . X . O X , . . . X O X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O . X . . . X O X O O . . |
$$ | . O X O O . . . . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . X X O . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X X . . . . X . . O . |
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 Post subject: Re: #244 Bill vs Ed
Post #280 Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2014 11:15 pm 
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