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Offline topazg
 Post subject: Re: 103. EdLee vs topazg
Post #141 Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2011 6:48 am 
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[go]$$Wm60 Prisoners :b1:
$$ ----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . O . . X . . X . . X O . |
$$ | . . O O O O . . . , . . . O X X O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . O X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . O X . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X . X . O X O . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . X O O . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 2 . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O . . O . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------[/go]


So, my current feeling is that my winning chances are not good, perhaps 30% or so right now. Ed's played a really great game, and as far as I can feel has made no obvious blunders. He's certainly played a game that defies an AGA 4k rating IMHO.

That said, I'm obvious not giving up just yet. One of the reasons I played to the top like I did was to cut. Unfortunately, the cut is messy, and I don't think it actually works:

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[go]$$Wm60 Prisoners :b1:
$$ ----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X 3 O 7 . X . . X . . X O . |
$$ | . . O O O O 2 4 5 , . . . O X X O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . 6 9 . . . . X O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 8 . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . O X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . O X . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X . X . O X O . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . X O O . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O . . O . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------[/go]


This looks relatively promising, albeit complicated, but I do need to watch out for my top group too. Unfortunately, I think White can evade:

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[go]$$Wm60 Prisoners :b1:
$$ ----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X 5 O . . X . . X . . X O . |
$$ | . . O O O O 2 3 . 7 . . . O X X O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . 4 6 . . . . . . X O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . O X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . O X . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X . X . O X O . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . X O O . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O . . O . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------[/go]


Now I think I have a seriously weak group to worry about. I can pull back and let White block, and I do think that's better, but it feels hard to pull off a serious coup here to me. However, look at the following:

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[go]$$Wm60 Prisoners :b1:
$$ ----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X 4 O . . X . . X . . X O . |
$$ | . . O O O O 2 3 . 9 . . . O X X O . . |
$$ | . O . . . 0 5 6 7 . . . . . X O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 8 . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . O X X . O b b . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O a . O X b . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X . X . O X O . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . X O O . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O . . O . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------[/go]


This is so close to working, that I have a lot of aji to play with. A move at "a" or "b" could simply make this work. In fact, I'm convinced of it enough that I want to play one the second I get sente again, before looking at the lower left. Assuming White fixes his cut if I do play this way, I need a follow up. So, either I play at "a", take my immediate profit in sente, and then play in the lower left, and count later, or I play at "b", and aim to do some serious damage in the center and leave "a" for later. My gut feeling is "a", as it looks like sente profit, and that's a "good thing" right now. However, it may not be enough. It could be that cutting directly is still best :S

Epic game for me here!

EDIT: That's it, if I get sente, I'm cutting. Let's start some fires.
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Offline EdLee
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Post #142 Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2011 9:00 pm 
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[go]$$Wm62 Prisoners :b1:
$$ ----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . O . . X . . X . . X O . |
$$ | . . O O O O . . . , . . . O X X O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . O X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . O X . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X . X . O X O . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . X O O . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O . . O . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------[/go]
Variation: if W cross cuts with :w1:, then after B (a) or (b), it doesn't look very promising for W:
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[go]$$W
$$. . . . . . . |
$$. . . O X . . |
$$. . . . X . . |
$$. . . , . . . |
$$. . . . X . . |
$$. . . . . . . |
$$. . . . a . . |
$$. . . O X b . |
$$. . . X 1 . . |
$$O . . , . . . |
$$. . . X . . . |
$$. . . . . . . |
$$. . . . . . . |
$$---------------[/go]
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 Post subject: Re: 103. EdLee vs topazg
Post #143 Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2011 2:31 am 
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[go]$$Wm62 Prisoners :b1:
$$ ----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . O . . X . . X . . X O . |
$$ | . . O O O O . . . , . . . O X X O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . O X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . O X . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X . X . O X O . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . X O O . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X 2 . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O . . O . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------[/go]


Lots of thoughts. None of them good. Trying something complicated here.
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Post #144 Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2011 3:18 am 
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Maybe topazg didn't like this result:
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[go]$$B
$$ ----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . O . . X . . X . . X O . |
$$ | . . O O O O . . . , . . . O X X O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . O X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . O X . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X . X . O X O . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . X O O . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . 0 9 . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . 8 3 1 O . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . 6 2 O X 5 . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X 4 7 . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O . . O . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------[/go]
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Offline EdLee
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[go]$$Wm64 Prisoners :b1:
$$ ----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . O . . X . . X . . X O . |
$$ | . . O O O O . . . , . . . O X X O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . O X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . O X . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X . X . O X O . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . X O O . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 O . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O . . O . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------[/go]
Maybe topazg's plan is jump to :b1:, or (a)...(c), etc.:
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[go]$$B
$$-----------------
$$. . . . . . . . |
$$. . . . . . . . |
$$. . X . . X O . |
$$. . O X X O . . |
$$. . . X O . O . |
$$. . . . O O . . |
$$. . . . . . . . |
$$. . . . O X . . |
$$. . . . c X . . |
$$. . . 1 , . . . |
$$. . . b . X . . |
$$. . . a . . . . |
$$. . . . O O . . |
$$. . . . O X . . |
$$. . . . X X . . |
$$. O . . , . . . |
$$. . . . X . . . |
$$. . . . . . . . |
$$. . . . . . . . |
$$----------------[/go]
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Post #146 Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2011 6:47 am 
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$$ ----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . O . . X . . X . . X O . |
$$ | . . O O O O . . . , . . . O X X O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . O X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . O X . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X . X . O X O . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . X O O . , . . . . 2 , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 O . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O . . O . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------[/go]


Ok, I'm in danger of being stamped on. I can't afford to lose the right edge, and I can't afford to let White build a wall facing the middle. Nice choices, especially when I have to choose one of them. Ed's playing a great game here, and I'm pretty sure I'm not going to get a single careless move this game. That means complications that come off, or resignation when they don't. I've opted to connect and jump out here because it's kinda sente against his 3 stones. Then I cut in the top left. My group here is not yet alive, but I don't have time to fix it right now. I need a lot more points, if I can get some great coup somewhere, I'll reassess, but right now, I need sente and to grow some sharp teeth.

If he handles this as well as he has the rest of the game, I will have no chance to recover, and that will be fine, at least I'll have gone down in some sort of blaze of glory.
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Post #147 Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2011 7:16 am 
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If I take two stones...

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$$ ----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . O . . B . . B . . X O . |
$$ | . . O O O O . . . , . . . O X X O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . O X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . O X . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X . X . O X O . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . X O O . , . . . . 2 , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 O . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O . . O . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------[/go]


And move them here...

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[go]$$Wm64 Prisoners :b1:
$$ ----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . O . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . O O O O . . . , . . . O X X . B . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X O B O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . O X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . O X . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X . X . O X O . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . X O O . , . . . . 2 , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 O . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O . . O . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------[/go]

...it is a much more interesting game. Maybe not better overall, but more suited to blazes of glory.

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Post #149 Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2011 7:09 pm 
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You have a very nice set of stones.

I've seen you contributing to some of the equipment threads, so I knew to have high expectations.
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cdybeijing, thank you. Yes, the Kuroki shell stones are superb. :)
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[go]$$Wm66 Prisoners :b1:
$$ ----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . O . . X . . X . . X O . |
$$ | . . O O O O . . . , . . . O X X O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . O X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . O X . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X . X . O X O . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . X O O . , . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . O O . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O . . O . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------[/go]
Compared to this reference variation for :b63:...
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[go]$$B
$$ ----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . O . . X . . X . . X O . |
$$ | . . O O O O . . . , . . . O X X O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . O X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . O X . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X . X . O X O . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . X O O . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . 0 9 . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . 8 3 1 O . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . 6 2 O X 5 . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X 4 7 . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O . . O . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------[/go]
...it's as if B traded connection on the right side (and territory)
with an "almost" settled group, so it seems W should be OK with this result.
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[go]$$Wm66 Prisoners :b1:
$$ ----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . O . . X . . X . . X O . |
$$ | . . O O O O 2 . . , . . . O X X O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . O X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . O X . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X . X . O X O . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . X O O . , . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . O O . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O . . O . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------[/go]


Time to have fun :)
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:b67: has been sitting there for a long time. :study:
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[go]$$Wm68 Prisoners :b1:
$$ ----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . O . . X . . X . . X O . |
$$ | . . O O O O X 2 . , . . . O X X O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . 1 3 . . . . . . X O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . O X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . O X . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X . X . O X O . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . X O O . , . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O . . O . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------[/go]
Let me know if you disagree. :)
Locally forced-ish? :mrgreen:
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Post #155 Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2011 1:11 am 
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[go]$$Wm68 Prisoners :b1:
$$ ----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . O . . X . . X . . X O . |
$$ | . . O O O O X 2 4 , . . . O X X O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . 1 3 . . . . . . X O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . O X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . O X . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X . X . O X O . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . X O O . , . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O . . O . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------[/go]


Sure, fine by me :)

Well, that's some cash in the bag at least. Now to not die on the right. If I can achieve that and get some good ground in that lower left, there's still a game to be had!
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[go]$$Wm72 Prisoners :b1:
$$ ----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . O . . X . . X . . X O . |
$$ | . . O O O O X X X , . . . O X X O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . O O . . . . . . X O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . O X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . O X . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X . X . O X O . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . X O O . , . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O . . O . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------[/go]
Gote, but seems quite big. In fact, B (a) was such a huge sente,
I was worried :w70: might not even be sente, but luckily topazg replied with :b71::
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[go]$$Wm70
$$ ----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . O . . X . . X . . X O . |
$$ | . . O O O O X X 2 , . . . O X X O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . O 1 . . . . . . X O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . O X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . O X . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X . X . O X O . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . X O O . , . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O . . O . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . a . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------[/go]

Another reason I was not sure if :w1: was sente (or would end in sente) was the hane :b2::
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[go]$$W
$$ ----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X 4 O . . X . . X . . X O . |
$$ | . . O O O O X X 3 , . . . O X X O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . O 1 2 6 . . . . X O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 5 . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . O X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . O X . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X . X . O X O . . . . . . . b B . . |
$$ | . . . X . X O O . , . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . O . . . . . . . . . . |[/go]
The :b2: hane would've meant more complications (for both of us),
but the nobi :b71: was nice and peaceful, much like the earlier :bc: pull-back versus the expected hane (b).
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Post #157 Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2011 2:06 am 
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[go]$$Wm72 Prisoners :b1:
$$ ----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . O . . X . . X . . X O . |
$$ | . . O O O O X X X , . . . O X X O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . O O . . . . . . X O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . O X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . O X . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X . X . O X O . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . X O O . , . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O . . O . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . 2 . . . . . . . . 1 . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------[/go]


Let's have fun, part II. If this goes well, I'm going to connect those long lost two stones on the left, and do some counting.
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Interesting. Something around here is not unexpected. First feeling is block:
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[go]$$B
$$ | . X O . . .
$$ | . O . . . .
$$ | . . . O . .
$$ | . . . 2 1 .
$$ | . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . .
$$ -------------[/go]
(p)
:b73: was not a good move. My first feeling was correct, as everyone else also concurred. :-?


Last edited by EdLee on Thu Mar 31, 2011 10:31 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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Post #159 Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2011 5:18 am 
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Ok, basically, I think Ed's given me a reasonable lifeline. There's a lot of things going on here now, and I want as many as I can get.

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[go]$$Wm72 Prisoners :b1:
$$ ----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . c . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . O . . X . . X . . X O . |
$$ | . . O O O O X X X , . . . O X X O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . O O a . . . . . X O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . O X X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O b . O X . . . . . . . d O X . . |
$$ | . X . X . O X O . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . X O O . , . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . e . O . . . . . O . . O . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . 2 . . . . . . . . 1 . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------[/go]


These are what I would call the pivotal areas on the board. "e" should be my sente, or close to it - if it's gote, it's fairly big gote. If it's my sente, I'll play it soon (for example, if White blocks facing the corner, I may get it in sente as a corner threat), otherwise it can wait. "d" is clearly gote, but almost completely settles my dangerous group. If I'm ahead, I'll play it, but I may not have the time if I'm behind. White can't easily attack it for profit, so if he can't kill it it's not urgent. I have no idea if it is alive, but I suspect it is very borderline. "c" I count as 13 points gote, and "b" as 14 points gote. They're pretty close anyway (calculations and sequences available on request). "a" I consider the biggest point on the board now. The threat of rescuing those two stones in the middle is large, and the following is much bigger than a 14 point swing:

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[go]$$Wm72 Prisoners :b1:
$$ ----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . O . . X . . X . . X O . |
$$ | . . O O O O X X X , . . . O X X O . . |
$$ | . O . . . . O O 4 . . . 8 . X O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 5 6 . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . O X X . O . . 7 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . O X . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X . X . O X O . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . X O O . , . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O . . O . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . 2 . . . . . . . . 1 . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------[/go]


If I can get a good result on the bottom in sente, and get away with playing "a", Black can stop crying for a while, the game is completely back on. We'll just have to see what Ed has up his sleeve.
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You just said this, "Ok, basically, I think Ed's given me a reasonable lifeline. " Could you please point out which moves white 'gave you a lifeline' with, and how he could have avoided it? :twisted:

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