4. sumiyaka (4k) vs. kex (4k)

sumiyaka · Post by **sumiyaka** » Wed Apr 21, 2010 6:03 pm

As the game stands...

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And I have a HUGE favor to ask of those that made comments... is it possible to either unhide them go-discussions if they are readable by kex and I? It might even be sweeter if you could post them here, with move numbers. I know its a lot to ask. But, I'd be extremely greatful. Who knows how long GD will remain up.

Here is an SGF on how we got here.

Okay... no move tonight I gotta let kex know I moved this, although I know he thinks its a good idea to do so!

Dusk Eagle · Post by **Dusk Eagle** » Wed Apr 21, 2010 6:58 pm

If you check the other Malkovich threads, you'll see that Joaz is going to be revamping this section and we should wait until after tonight to start these games again in case any information is lost. However, after he is done, I will upload all of your malkovich game with kex up to this point in a .zip file, and I will do the same for all the other Malkovich games that have been or will be reposted from GoDiiscussions. That way, they'll be safe and secure on this new forum and our own computers.

Phelan · Post by **Phelan** » Thu Apr 22, 2010 7:13 am

Dusk Eagle wrote:If you check the other Malkovich threads, you'll see that Joaz is going to be revamping this section and we should wait until after tonight to start these games again in case any information is lost. However, after he is done, I will upload all of your malkovich game with kex up to this point in a .zip file, and I will do the same for all the other Malkovich games that have been or will be reposted from GoDiiscussions. That way, they'll be safe and secure on this new forum and our own computers.

I was planning on doing the same. Are you archiving all the GD pages, or just the moves? I was planning on doing the former.

kex · Post by **kex** » Thu Apr 22, 2010 8:56 am

Great!

I would really appreciate, if an admin would transfer the thread, as we as players should not read the hidden comments before the game end. That way we could really get rid of the old forum and just concentrate on the game.

To sumiyaka - take your time before moving. There is no rush.

Dusk Eagle · Post by **Dusk Eagle** » Thu Apr 22, 2010 10:25 am

Phelan: I was archiving every post in the active (non-finished) Malkovich threads. I could archive the finished Malkovich threads as well if I get around to it. I am not archiving non-Malkovich threads, if that is what you meant.

When I get home I'll get the archive for this game posted.

Phelan · Post by **Phelan** » Thu Apr 22, 2010 10:31 am

Nope, I meant exactly what you are doing, I think. I've archived the rengo and the big brother.

Dusk Eagle · Post by **Dusk Eagle** » Thu Apr 22, 2010 1:02 pm

So, here's the archive of this game up to this point. Let me know if there are any problems :)

sumiyaka · Post by **sumiyaka** » Fri Apr 23, 2010 8:39 pm

Tomorrow I will move. Today, I bummed about my busted board

The move itself is decided. But, the actual Malkovich ...

sumiyaka · Post by **sumiyaka** » Sat Apr 24, 2010 10:51 am

I'm back
I'm back in the saddle again
I'm back
I'm back in the saddle again
Aerosmith, Back in the saddle again

We shall resume!

Note... apparently the "show diagram" leaves spaces in front of the diagram and our diagrammer doesn't like that....

EDIT: Hmm, its not the "show diagram" fault. But, in any event, our diagram builder hates whitespace in front of each line

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Looking at the black mess of stones to the right, living shouldn't be an issue. Although I get all battered and pushed around in the process. I'd make diagrams, but I'm trying to keep that in my head. If I'm wrong, I will remember why easier if my opponent shows me, than if I catch it in a diagram.

Jim, on the other hand needs help. I expect white to play at one of the points marked 'a'.

If white ignores 'b' I have the following move

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After this plays out, I'm going to turn my attention back to the white group in the top if possible. While doing so, I will no longer be interested in tossing the marked black stones.

kex · Post by **kex** » Mon Apr 26, 2010 8:48 am

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OK. So black will get out, and tries to do that creating a strong wall between the white groups.

First, the move weakens a bit the group on the right. Cutting would require another tenuki, though.

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Well... anything like this is pretty nonprobable. Black would more likely aim at strengthening the wall:

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Then attack the white group on the left of the wall. The first move that came to my mind was this:

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But the black move at a would make the white group suffer badly

. The forcing stone does not actually strengthen the white group...

How about fixing all possible cuts from the other side? The problem with that peep is that black can lean against the white stones to make the wall stronger:

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Continuing with trying to cut leads to the situation already thought about earlier - not so good for white:

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Black swallows half the group and the remaining part is in misery.

I think the best thing to do is to strengthen the white group calmly:

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As an added bonus, it keeps pressure on the black group running. I just have to be careful that the white group on the right side is kept alive. Luckily, I have the forcing moves against the corner in store.

sumiyaka · Post by **sumiyaka** » Mon Apr 26, 2010 5:51 pm

You don't tug on Superman's cape
You don't spit into the wind
You don't pull the mask off the old Lone Ranger
And you don't mess around with Jim
--Jim Croce, You don't mess around with Jim

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Heh, we both found that point important. I should have mentioned what I thought I'd do if white played over there. Well, here it is.

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I will potentially have the peep at 'a' later.

Here are a few of the contiuations I see.

This is a bit of a nervous fight, but no matter...

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White could cut, and then I'll figure out what my plan shall be from there...

Maybe...

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The real thing is I need to be careful of not hurting my right corner group too. That is what makes this difficult. One mistake in these games and you have groups on the ropes...

kex · Post by **kex** » Wed Apr 28, 2010 8:04 am

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I am not sure about what should I deduce from my opponent's lyrics this time

I am pretty confident at the moment, despite of his tone.

The reason of that is this:

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There are two cutting points left here. The move that instantly came to my mind here is this:

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It fixes all cutting point problems, leaves the cutting points intact. But there are a couple of other moves to consider before moving:

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The moves a and b are for strengthening the corner group. If black tenukies, there is a significant danger of dying in the corner. Especially a is bad for black. B is something that black can defend from by playing near a. But there is a fun sequence, if things get too far. 7 seems sente here

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My feeling is that I should start by 3 here, and if black plays as expected:

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Well, it seems black cannot play as expected

So black will probably defend, and white will have time to protect the cut, and simultaneously threatening the cut by playing at a. Black will probably then defend, giving white one or two nice peeps.

Hmm... It seems I am dreaming

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This starts to look bad... Starting from the lower part seems to lead to losing the two stones on the side, because I have no time to protect them with 7, which are I think important cutting stones.

Starting from above:

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Black will unlikely play without protecting at 4, especially since white play there will guarantee the second eye for white, white threatening black corner. Then white will have time for playing 5.

Let's look closer. The option for 4 is cutting

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I think both white group are sane, as there are the lettered moves to work with.

And now, the question is: should I force with 1 first, or protect the cut first? I think I need to force first, as just protecting gives black the possibility to push on. So there the move

sumiyaka · Post by **sumiyaka** » Wed Apr 28, 2010 7:58 pm

sumiyaka · Post by **sumiyaka** » Thu Apr 29, 2010 6:12 pm

Gib: [over radio] All right twinkle toes, what's your exit strategy?
Harry: I'm gonna walk right out of the front gate.
-- True Lies

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This isn't like me. But, these games are for a few reasons. Learning, entertainment of the players, and observers. This move seems to give white an interesting choice. Plus its much more fun for me than being submissive. If I lose because of it, I'll be upset (cause I lost), but will sleep better knowing I made a more interesting move...

I think the following diagram might be better for black than the next one in the hands of strong player. Even though I'm not a strong player I should strive to play like one

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better? than.... which allows white to move where-ever and the outside isn't safe.

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White could be conservative... thus...

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We shall see.

kex · Post by **kex** » Sat May 01, 2010 10:30 pm

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My first thought, seeing this move, was - this is a thank-you move. I did want to play here:

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It protects the cut at c, and leaves the peep at a to strengthen the white group , and the cut at b. And, white can still attack the black group in the corner.

There is this move:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$c $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . | $$ | . . . O . . O O . X . . X X . O O X . | $$ | . . . , . . . X . , . . O . O . X . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . X X . O . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . . . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O O . O . X X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , . O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . B X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X 4 . O . O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O W . O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . X 3 1 2 X . . | $$ | . . X , . . . . . , . B . O . O . X . | $$ | . . . . X . O . . O . X . . . O X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

but I don't think it is a big problem. The two marked black groups are too weak to make a real problem with eye stealing.

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4. sumiyaka (4k) vs. kex (4k)

4. sumiyaka (4k) vs. kex (4k)

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Re: sumiyaka/kex Malkovich #4 Move 51

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