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 Post subject: 107: Emerus(2k) vs Abydos1(3k)
Post #1 Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 8:34 pm 
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Hey. I accept your challenge. :D Are you OK with a standard .5 komi game? Japanese rules, closed comment game?

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abydos1:

GL HF GG, no4pooling

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Post #2 Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 9:58 pm 
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emerus,
emerus wrote:
no4pooling
What's no4pooling? :-|

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Post #3 Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2011 7:41 am 
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EdLee wrote:
emerus,
emerus wrote:
no4pooling
What's no4pooling? :-|

They both play starcraft, so it's a reference to that. It's the equivalent of 'I want a good clean fight, nothing below the belt'.

edit: Good game to both players, I look forward to watching. =)

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Post #4 Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2011 8:15 am 
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Let's make it an even game; 6.5 komi.

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Post #5 Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2011 8:58 am 
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I don't play starcraft, but isn't a 4-pool something like an unusually aggressive early rush? If so, isn't it kind of like saying: "GG HF and no sanrenseis!"

Back when I still played Age of Mythology, I was a big fan of the Loki Hersir rush. Every once in a while, someone would complain that early rushing is lame. It only increased my satisfaction about the victory :)

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Post #6 Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2011 9:08 am 
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I don't like Abydos1's move. It's a mistake.

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Let's see if he could resist the temptation of peeking. :lol:

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Post #7 Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2011 9:19 am 
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Even it is.

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Yeah Ed, what Chew said.

I haven't gotten lucky enough to draw white in my KGS games but I decided about a week ago that I wanted to do this. I know Yang Yilun tries this as W. I like that it prevents any resemblance of set fuseki, particularly orthodox formations such as:

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This nasty bugger... and any other fuseki that pretty much destroy the board with an even result.

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Post #8 Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2011 1:03 pm 
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Interesting move, I'd rather play away since even after a play in the top right white's stone still has options so white not answer immediately.


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Curiosity got the better of me. :oops:

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Post #9 Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2011 2:19 pm 
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what ever opening you play it really doesnt matter at non-professional level.
what is important is in the middle.
i suggest you try many different openings and see how you like it.

:salute: have fun!

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Post #10 Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2011 4:24 pm 
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MagicWand wrote:
what ever opening you play it really doesnt matter at non-professional level.
what is important is in the middle.
i suggest you try many different openings and see how you like it.

:salute: have fun!


I agree. Because our level is so low, I like to skip common and lengthy fuseki - more middle game.

My approach here feels totally forced.

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Using Tewari, we can see that if I take another corner and then B goes back to respond normally, it's as if I approached on the inside on move 4. I don't like it.

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Post #11 Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2011 4:59 pm 
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I'd rather have sente here but I'm not too comfortable tenukiing after P15 so I'll lean on this stone to build something on the top.

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I expected this -
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This is the variation that I usually play but I don't know what will be appropriate without a little more reading. For now, it's a one way street though.
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Trigger - if you extend.
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Post #13 Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2011 8:28 pm 
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Obs.
trivially, I checked out some games after Emerus played 2...approach (after saying no rushing (I believe), for maximum irony). Anyway, this one way street, Go Seigen played the push through, as a bit of a tangent.

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Post #14 Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2011 9:29 pm 
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Hidden until all 4 corners settled, then for Abydos1:
Abydos1 wrote:
I'd rather have sente here but I'm not too comfortable tenukiing after P15
so I'll lean on this stone to build something on the top.
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$$. . . 5 O . . |
$$. . . . . . . |[/go]
Then, as emerus noted in his Post #12, kosumi at 5-5 is a simple solution;
then you can take one of the two remaining open corners:
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$$. . . . O . . |
$$. . . . . . . |[/go]

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Post #15 Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2011 9:34 pm 
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Loons,
Loons wrote:
Go Seigen played the push through, as a bit of a tangent.
Do you know the year, his opponent, and the result? Go took W; what was the komi, if any?

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Post #16 Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2011 10:27 pm 
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Oops, rather Go was black and won +R (at 2.5 komi). Maybe go isn't the game for people with sieve-like memories. My invasion in the other thread does work, at least (insofaras it is likely black is making an overplay if it is eventually played for).

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Post #17 Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2011 7:51 am 
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[go]$$Bcm11 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
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Defend the cut and take the corner.

If white plays :w2: I connect and white wants to play around both a and b; I can hope for at least one of them or sente.

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[go]$$Bcm11 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
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Post #18 Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2011 5:26 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm11 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
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Post #19 Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2011 6:03 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm11 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 O . . |
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Post #20 Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2011 9:14 pm 
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