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Author: | mw42 [ Mon May 09, 2011 4:24 am ] |
Post subject: | 121: Dusk Eagle (2d) vs. mw42 (1k) |
Despite the rank difference, Dusk Eagle and I will be playing an even game. Black: Dusk Eagle 2d White: mw42 1k Rules: Japanese Komi: 6.5 Open comments? No. Consultation of database/joseki dictionaries allowed? Yes.
Nigiri (Dusk, choose "odd" or "even" then peak): 1 |
Author: | EdLee [ Mon May 09, 2011 4:28 am ] |
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Dusk, mw42, good game. |
Author: | Dusk Eagle [ Mon May 09, 2011 5:24 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: 121: Dusk Eagle (2d) vs. mw42 (1k) |
I chose odd, so I'm black. Have a good game mw42!
I've been wanting to try out this opening I came up with, but I haven't had an opportunity to use in a game yet.
Normally, is on the 3-4 point, but I'm interested in trying it out this way, if he lets me. It's never been played by a pro according to the GoGoD database, but that's not a reason to try stuff out. I've studied a few of the followups from here and I like them for me. Let's see if I get to use one of them. |
Author: | mw42 [ Mon May 09, 2011 5:46 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: 121: Dusk Eagle (2d) vs. mw42 (1k) |
Have an enjoyable match!
I considered the following moves
Then I stopped being ridiculous because I ran out of alphabet. |
Author: | Mnemonic [ Mon May 09, 2011 6:18 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: 121: Dusk Eagle (2d) vs. mw42 (1k) |
Actually if I play 44 for the first move my database looks like this:
Anybody know what happen with t and u? is it just a glitch, corrupted sgf? Or did Cho Chikun really play A1 as a second move? |
Author: | Banaan [ Mon May 09, 2011 7:08 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: 121: Dusk Eagle (2d) vs. mw42 (1k) |
Sorry, for some reason i double posted >< |
Author: | Dusk Eagle [ Mon May 09, 2011 7:08 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: 121: Dusk Eagle (2d) vs. mw42 (1k) |
All according to plan so far. |
Author: | Banaan [ Mon May 09, 2011 7:09 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: 121: Dusk Eagle (2d) vs. mw42 (1k) |
Good game to you both, Ill be following this game with interest! T is the famous nose-blistering game. U is of course ridiculous. |
Author: | mw42 [ Mon May 09, 2011 7:35 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: 121: Dusk Eagle (2d) vs. mw42 (1k) |
I am exercising my right to play an unusual move.
My explanation of : I want to play at (a), but if black just extends to and I play at (b) to complete the corner, either immediately or a little later, black has already occupied my optimal extension. So, if I play then black avoids the corner, I will play (a). Not only will this make approaching the corner more awkward for black, but it will give me the option of playing at (b), enclosure cum extension. If he takes the corner at (c) or (d), my approach at (e) or (f) will be nicely supported by . If he plays at (b), then W(a). If B(g), occupies his optimal extension. I'm sure this is a ridiculously horrible move. |
Author: | Dusk Eagle [ Mon May 09, 2011 8:42 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: 121: Dusk Eagle (2d) vs. mw42 (1k) |
Interesting. I considered a lot of choices here, so rather than write up a lot on each, I'll just quickly show what I was thinking for many different options. They're not necessarily correct .
So, I figured his last move is low and territorial, so let's go with a territorial move myself. If our moves share the same goals, but mine are larger than his (as I believe is the case here), I will have a sure advantage. |
Author: | mw42 [ Tue May 10, 2011 4:05 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: 121: Dusk Eagle (2d) vs. mw42 (1k) |
I think his move was sensible. It's certainly the move I would have played in the corner. I think my approach at is to be expected. I want to be kind of speedy in development, hopefully getting the chance to approach both hoshi before worrying about my weakness at (a).
If the game goes like this, I will be looking for an opportunity to play at (b). If he pincers at (c), I will just take the corner at (d). If he pincers at (e), I will change direction at (f) or . I don't know how he will play in the top-right, but I expect he will play the normal joseki in the bottom-right. He probably feels pretty comfortable after taking san-san with my silly little stone on the side (and is probably right to!). |
Author: | Dusk Eagle [ Tue May 10, 2011 2:44 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: 121: Dusk Eagle (2d) vs. mw42 (1k) |
There were three moves I considered here.
So, I'm going with the one-space extension. I think the following diagram is most likely, but he might tenuki for his next move instead. Afterward, the top and the left seem like approximate miai.
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Author: | mw42 [ Tue May 10, 2011 3:31 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: 121: Dusk Eagle (2d) vs. mw42 (1k) |
Okay, if we follow the normal joseki I have the opportunity to play at since black should play to finish his position. However, if I then approach the top, he gets lovely development on the right-side. Instead of I will play (a) since already has an extension. Note that I have miai for a two-space extension at (b) or (c). Which do you prefer?
I like Diagram 3, so it will be my plan. |
Author: | Dusk Eagle [ Tue May 10, 2011 3:49 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: 121: Dusk Eagle (2d) vs. mw42 (1k) |
Helps settle my stones in the corner. |
Author: | mw42 [ Tue May 10, 2011 4:00 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: 121: Dusk Eagle (2d) vs. mw42 (1k) |
Mmhmm. |
Author: | Kirby [ Tue May 10, 2011 4:16 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: 121: Dusk Eagle (2d) vs. mw42 (1k) |
mw42 wrote: ...
I like Diagram 3, so it will be my plan. If I were black, I would kick instead of playing in the quoted diagram, aiming for this:
Or maybe, with the last move in the diagram above one space higher... Is it worse? |
Author: | Dusk Eagle [ Tue May 10, 2011 4:36 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: 121: Dusk Eagle (2d) vs. mw42 (1k) |
That seems too thin. I could be wrong, but I think if he was planning to tenuki, he shouldn't have played , which let me occupy the 3-3 point. Now his bottom-right group has fewer options. Anyway, I'm jumping in to split him. I'll probably post some variations once I see how he reacts. |
Author: | mw42 [ Tue May 10, 2011 5:15 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: 121: Dusk Eagle (2d) vs. mw42 (1k) |
This jump makes the marked exchange look aji-keshi, but it's not a huge deal especially since (I think) I've already constrained black's development on the side. Black will almost certainly jump at (c) then I will jump at (d) aiming at (e). If B(f) then W(e) B(g) W(h) seems interesting. Oh, and I didn't like (a) or (b), that's why I didn't say anything about them. |
Author: | Joaz Banbeck [ Tue May 10, 2011 8:47 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: 121: Dusk Eagle (2d) vs. mw42 (1k) |
Quickie tewari analysis. If the board were like this:
...none of us would play this:
...because of the obvious play of black 2:
But somehow, we got here anyway. |
Author: | Dusk Eagle [ Wed May 11, 2011 7:16 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: 121: Dusk Eagle (2d) vs. mw42 (1k) |
This...
or this?
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