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Offline EdLee
 Post subject: 126. EdLee vs Loons
Post #1 Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2011 2:39 am 
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Even game, 6.5 komi, Japanese rules, open joseki, database, standard hidden comments, etc.
Loons, have a nice game. I'll nigiri:
:black: :black: :black: :black: :black: :black: :black: :black: :black:
I have a busy summer (including US Go Congress in early August) until the end of August,
so I apologize in advance for a possibly extra slow game.

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Offline cdybeijing
 Post subject: Re: 126. Loons v. EdLee
Post #2 Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2011 5:30 am 
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Very much looking forward to this game.
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Offline Loons
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Post #3 Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2011 6:30 am 
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Five. Good luck!

Edit: Hah, I always get that mixed up. Do you mind me translating "five" as "odd" ? (If so I play the top right 4-4).

Otherwise, maybe you can guess odd or even, and check this:

thirteen.


And I'll try to avoid getting confused :P.

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Offline cdybeijing
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Post #4 Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2011 6:34 am 
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Ed's self-proclaimed 4k rank belies his real strength, and from what I have seen from these two, I think he could probably give Loons a handicap. Let's see how this plays out.
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Offline Shaddy
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Post #5 Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2011 8:21 am 
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Ed claimed he was 4k? He's been 2k on KGS for a pretty long time.
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Offline cdybeijing
 Post subject: Re: 126. Loons v. EdLee
Post #6 Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2011 8:44 am 
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Shaddy wrote:
Ed claimed he was 4k? He's been 2k on KGS for a pretty long time.


It used to be in his user info. I think it's his AGA rank or something. I'm sure he knows that he is stronger than that, though.
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Offline Joaz Banbeck
 Post subject: Re: 126. Loons v. EdLee
Post #7 Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2011 8:48 am 
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Shaddy wrote:
Ed claimed he was 4k? He's been 2k on KGS for a pretty long time.


He's not sandbagging. We were at a real live AGA tournament in Santa Monica a just last week where bands spanned several ranks, and he was in the section below me.


Besides that, experience has shown that the extra time tends to favor the lower ranked player.

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Offline hyperpape
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Post #8 Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2011 9:17 am 
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He used to post his AGA rank, but at one point he was quite clear that he thought he was stronger than that when questioned--perhaps by Magicwand.

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Offline Kirby
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Post #9 Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2011 9:34 am 
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Get into a public argument with Ed about something go related on the forum, and you might find out more about him. ;-)

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Offline Joaz Banbeck
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Post #10 Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2011 10:13 am 
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As of today ( without last week's results added in yet ) EdLee's AGA rating is -3.44475. His last two tournaments were net negative, so that rating may not be indicative of his true strength. He could easily be between 2K and 3K AGA.
His recent KGS rating has been fluctuating a bit, from mid 1K to almost the upper edges of 4K.

Loons has been maintaining a steady 1.5K rating on KGS for most of this year. Conventional wisdom is that KGS differs from AGA by about a point, so if he were an AGA member, Loons would have an AGA rating of about 2.5


Overall, I'd say we have a fair game here.

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Loons, I'll take your "five" as "5 mod 2" = :black:. I won't read your nigiri stones until after the game. :mrgreen:
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Offline Loons
 Post subject: Re: 126. Loons v. EdLee
Post #12 Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2011 4:27 pm 
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Nirensei.

Though, according to that page I have just failed to redress komi in the opening. :P
I'll take that with a grain of salt.

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:batman: Basic.
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Offline Loons
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Post #14 Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2011 5:31 pm 
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Trigger:
If you play c6, I play d2.

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Loons, I'm not quite sure how to use triggers. Your trigger was hidden, so I was not supposed to look at it, right?
It was only for observers, yes? :)
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Post #16 Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2011 5:47 pm 
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Usually with triggers, one decides on their move, and then looks at the trigger to see if there are any follow up moves there.

Thus the board now stands like this after the trigger (if no one minds the intrusion).

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Offline Bill Spight
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Post #17 Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2011 5:51 pm 
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How about some coordinates? :)

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Let me try this tigger thing: :)
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Bill Spight wrote:
How about some coordinates? :)
Bill, anyone is welcome to use coordinates (or not). I prefer markers with no coordinates. :)
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Accepted!
Nice and easy. Now white takes gote settling :w10: and I wrack my brain for the biggest way to use :b1:. My goal was for this game to have a nice, educational bent to it but I can't think of anything particularly insightful yet.
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It's probably worth regarding that in a (comparative) vacuum, both Ed and I played 3rd line, settling (marked) stones. Now I am approached near where I know I have support, I played a 4th line, developmental move. I could try to develop even more aggressively by leaning on white's approach stone to exchange some kind of wall for a strong group on the right (by eg. attaching on top): That is also a way to play. My way is (for the moment) locally more conservative but should lead to a slightly more balanced board.

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(For beginners, also.) It's beyond my level to evaluate the differences among the following big points for :w10::
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[go]$$B
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . d . . |
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$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , b . . |
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However, if B took (a) :bs: first, then later, it'd be more work (and probably suffering) for W at the bottom. For example:
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[go]$$W
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$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . # . . |
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$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . 4 . 3 . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . X . . . . 1 2 . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ----------------------------------------[/go]
So I took (a) myself for :w10:.
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