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Offline Magicwand
 Post subject: Re: #210 Magicwand vs Emerus
Post #21 Posted: Sat Mar 16, 2013 6:35 pm 
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Offline The Intrepid
 Post subject: Re: #210 Magicwand vs Emerus
Post #22 Posted: Sat Mar 16, 2013 11:22 pm 
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I would have cut like this:
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[go]$$Bc
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . O . 1 . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . 3 2 O . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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Offline Uberdude
 Post subject: Re: #210 Magicwand vs Emerus
Post #23 Posted: Sun Mar 17, 2013 8:22 am 
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I would have cut like this:
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[go]$$Bc
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . B . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . O . B . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . 3 W W . . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


That's not my instinct as the marked black stones are in bad shape versus the marked white ones (the classic kosumi next to extension) so moves like white a are effective. It's like pushing into a knight's move to cut it instead of cutting at the waist. Of course sometimes reading can justify such bad shape moves, such as in the game of mine below on move 51 (in which I felt dirty for playing such a crude move, but I can't cut the waist as he has the ladder, and note how the p13 q13 excahnge means g12 has lots of liberties to support the bad shape kosumi and r13 doesn't exist), but I don't see that being the case here.
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Offline The Intrepid
 Post subject: Re: #210 Magicwand vs Emerus
Post #24 Posted: Sun Mar 17, 2013 5:22 pm 
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@Uberdude:
That's interesting insight, thanks. The reason I thought this way of cutting would be better is that it seems to apply more pressure onto the two White stones above. However, maybe White has nothing to fear there, yet.

How would you continue as White, if I may ask? Would you play "a" next or something different?
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[go]$$Bc
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$$ . . . . . . . . . . . |[/go]

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Offline skydyr
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Post #25 Posted: Sun Mar 17, 2013 8:44 pm 
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@Uberdude:That's interesting insight, thanks. The reason I thought this way of cutting would be better is that it seems to apply more pressure onto the two White stones above. However, maybe White has nothing to fear there, yet.

How would you continue as White, if I may ask? Would you play "a" next or something different?
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[go]$$Bc
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$$ . . . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ . . . . . . . . . . . |[/go]

Isn't cutting the only move?
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 Post subject: Re: #210 Magicwand vs Emerus
Post #26 Posted: Sun Mar 17, 2013 10:19 pm 
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$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . 8 X O . . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This is a stubborn move by me but I think it's a case where I already got on the train and am now along for the ride. I gave only passing consideration to the other extension because it seems spiritless and weak.

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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: none
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . 6 O 5 1 . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . 3 4 X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 7 . 2 O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . 8 . . . |
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$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


If I play too passively, he can just dodge and make some good shape. He could possibly sacrifice the top 2 stones even.

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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: none
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . T . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . T . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . O . 1 . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . 4 3 X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 2 O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . 6 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . O . . . X . . . . . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

This other cut fares similarly, :w6: seems strong and white's top group isn't very heavy.

I think the cut that I played is better shape. It doesn't involve pushing white from behind.
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Offline The Intrepid
 Post subject: Re: #210 Magicwand vs Emerus
Post #27 Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2013 12:43 am 
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Cutting would be nice, but then the White stones below look to be in danger ... at least so says my intuition. I guess I should try to read this out a little bit.
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[go]$$Wc
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$$ . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . X . . O . . X . . . |
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$$ . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ . X . . O 1 X . . . . |
$$ . . . . . X W W . . . |
$$ . . . . . 2 . . . . . |
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$$ . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . . |[/go]

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Offline Uberdude
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Post #28 Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2013 3:22 am 
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Cutting would be nice, but then the White stones below look to be in danger ... at least so says my intuition. I guess I should try to read this out a little bit.
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[go]$$Wc
$$ -----------------------
$$ . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . X . . O . . X . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ . X . . O 1 X . . . . |
$$ . . . . . X W W . . . |
$$ . . . . . 2 . . . . . |
$$ . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . . |[/go]


Cutting is of course the only move. I would rather cut and die than not cut. Problem is dying is fairly likely. But that is to be expected as q12 was an overplay.
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Offline Magicwand
 Post subject: Re: #210 Magicwand vs Emerus
Post #29 Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2013 4:42 am 
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[go]$$Wcm11 Prisoners: none
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$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . O . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . 9 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . O . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #30 Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2013 2:44 pm 
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . O . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 0 X . . . |
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$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . O . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Post #31 Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2013 4:01 pm 
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . 1 . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . O . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Post #32 Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2013 8:18 pm 
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$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . O . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . 2 X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . O . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Sigh, I really don't know here.

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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . f . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . O . . e . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . a X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . c d . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . b . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . O . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I looked at all of these but dismissed them all for shape reasons. Still, the move I chose is pushing white from behind and I am a bit worried about a cut at p13. As far as pure shape goes, 'f' seems to be OK. But it fixes white too. Should I be worried more about my own good shape than white's, who has two groups to worry for?
Regardless, even with some time to think, this wont be easy for me so I'll play a surrounding move and deal with a counter attack on my corner when it comes.
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Offline Magicwand
 Post subject: Re: #210 Magicwand vs Emerus
Post #33 Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2013 2:16 am 
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 Post subject: Re: #210 Magicwand vs Emerus
Post #34 Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2013 3:36 am 
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[go]$$Wcm21 Prisoners: none
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . 4 O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . O X X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . O . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Wow, didn't expect this move at all. I'm cutting without any hesitation. I realize that I have some liberty problems but as far as I can see - nothing is in imminent danger for me.


edit:

It's about to get ugly.

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[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: none
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . b 6 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 3 2 . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X 1 X O . a . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . 4 O X X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 5 . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . O . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


As I played my last move without reading, I sensed some danger if white tried to sacrifice his two stones for an attack on my corner at 'a'. I think :b6: is key. It is less secure on the very very weak cutting stones than atari at 'b', but that is not what's important right now. My 3 stones are the urgent matter.
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Offline Magicwand
 Post subject: Re: #210 Magicwand vs Emerus
Post #35 Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2013 7:47 am 
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X 5 X O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . O X X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . O . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
this??
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[go]$$Wcm21 Prisoners: none
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 7 . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X 5 4 O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . 6 O X X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 8 . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . O . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #36 Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2013 8:24 am 
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Give w ponnuki seems generous, I think b has to extend. This game has already disintegrated into bonkers fighting where I don't know what to do.
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Post #37 Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2013 9:01 am 
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This game has already disintegrated into bonkers fighting where I don't know what to do.


It's either comforting or frightening that players much stronger than me are similarly lost.
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Post #38 Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2013 10:17 pm 
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 6 . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O X O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . O X X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . O . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Sticking with the plan.
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Offline Magicwand
 Post subject: Re: #210 Magicwand vs Emerus
Post #39 Posted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 11:15 am 
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 6 . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O X O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . 7 O X X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . O . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #40 Posted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 12:38 pm 
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X 6 . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O X O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . 7 O X X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . O . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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