breakfast wrote:
Hi, friends
Main problem:
Top A group players are trying to avoid playing with each other (the main reason why Artem92 decided to stop).
I don't know how to force them. I understand that it's not interesting enough for 6-7d players to meet 2-3d players, but in current system it's necessary to meet them for getting prizes
Kyosa Breakfast (if that is acceptable);
If it is seen that the top players are avoiding playing each other, it would be wise for the weaker players to avoid playing the stronger players and only play against themselves! This way, the stronger players would be forced to play against themselves in order to maintain their position in the league. However, that is unrealistic. The question is really, how you can mandate it in the rules.
First of all, in the ASR league system I required everyone play a game against everyone else. In practice I discovered this only really worked in the A and B leagues - in the C, D, and E leagues people were absent or didn't play. If you see that that this problem can't exist in A-league, because everyone is so active there, then you can introduce a special rule without any problems:
the four-game allowance is removed for previous winners of room a.Yes! Previous winners of A-room cannot be promoted so having 12 games is just a requirement for winning prize money. With the rule of four games removed, every previous winner of A must play everyone else.
Actually, you might even consider just removing the four game rule from A-room entirely and make everyone in A play everyone else at least once. Why not? A room is the most active room. No one is in A if they aren't dedicated. if they don't play games in A, kick them out. Yes, if someone misses a game or drops out, it can be a problem to get 12 games, so just introduce a rule that you can play the same person a maximum of four times. That means you can play the same person three, or four times, or two people twice.
This may in fact be the ideal solution, for all members of room A. It's fair, and it's simple.
This makes it impossible for the top four players to monopolize prize money or prey on weaker players. This way everyone in A-room gets some wins. So even new players will have a chance (since new players or people who have "remained" in a-room can play 4 games against each other).
I think this is the best solution possible. If top players in A are only there for the prizes, this makes it at once more competitive, and more fair. I think it is the best solution. Please consider what I have said.
breakfast wrote:
My proposal:
We can make A group similar to all other groups (will not count games, lost to teachers).
But we will have one supergroup inside of A group.
Group with 4 best members.
We will allow them to play 4 games with teachers and 4 games with other supergroup members. But supergroup members will play max. one game with regular A members.
I think your solution is almost the same as mine. Maybe your idea is better, but I think mine can be said more simply. If they won A-room, they can only play one game max with other A-room members.
Anyways, I'd also comment on the situation about prize money. Personally I don't care about prizes and think they should be removed. Especially for rooms E, D and C. Those players need to improve, not try and game a win in E group to win money. But, if people are worried about teachers winning the prize money, because the prizes are supposed to be an incentive to players, why not just slightly lower the prize money and not allow teachers to win prizes? That way the teachers get more money, and the perception that the teachers are taking the student's incentive away disappears. If you think that teachers should win prize money 25% of the time, lower the prize money by 25% and distribute that money to the teachers.
I don't think anyone is suggesting you are trying to win 100% of the prize money. That wouldn't make sense, then you should just remove the prize money. But yes, to remove the perception of a conflict of interest, just lower the prize money by whatever % you think teachers should win it, and then just pay the teachers a little more. Simple
I really can't wait to join the league in September. It is on my mind every day. I am racing towards that goal.
I really believe what you have done is the best thing that has ever happened in online go.