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Author: | bengozen [ Thu Feb 20, 2014 7:58 am ] |
Post subject: | BenGoZen's Review: Fighting Fundamentals |
Introduction: Hey everyone! My name is Ben Hong and I am currently ranked about 3K AGA / 4K KGS. Prior to reading this book, the only other book I've seen even try to attempt the topic of fighting "Mastering the Basics: Fight Like a Pro." Since this seemed more like an instructional book on fighting, I was definitely looking forward to seeing what Jasiek had written. Hope this review helps and let me know if you ever have any questions! Description: When it comes to fighting, many players are often confused with the principles behind fighting. In this book, Jasiek tries to answer all the essential questions about fighting. This book covers a wide array of material that is more suited for the very studious players. Review: Like many other players, when I first saw the title of this book, I wanted to get my hands on it as soon as I possibly could. However, while the idea of having all of the “fighting fundamentals” covered in a single book sounds enticing and attractive, there is way more than meets the eye. In order to understand my review on the book and how it relates to you, it is critical to first emphasize the following: fighting is a complicated topic. And when I say complicated, I mean it is probably by far the most complex and intricate of all the topics in go. Other things in go like joseki and fuseki can be explained rather simply with relative ease. Fighting, however, is a far more difficult animal to tackle. As a result, the thing I want you to realize from the get go is that fighting in go does not fit into easy principles like “approach from the wider side” the way you want it to. Secondly, I want to clearly state that my learning style is perhaps different than the average go player. If I were to use the analogy of a bird learning how to fly, I would have to say that there are a number of people out there who would learn flying methodically. In other words, they might learn to flap their wings first, and then maybe learn about air currents and how they impact flight patterns, etc. However, I am more of the jump out of the nest and learn to fly on the way down kind of person. I prefer experience and practical application over deep theories that require significant time of study. With that said, Jasiek has done a great job in producing the first English go book to really try and approach this monstrosity of a topic. As you can see from the table of contents, there are so many different aspects of fighting that Jasiek covers. And to be honest, I wouldn’t be surprised if there were a lot more that could be written on. However, as far as my personal experience goes, I have to say that working through the book felt a lot like the time I took organic chemistry in college. What do I mean by that? Well, at the very fundamental level, I accepted and understood the basic logic behind what was being taught. There were rules and general principles that applied to why things worked the way they did. Before I knew it though, I was drowning in a sea of different theories, terms and intricacies that overwhelmed my brain and it didn’t take long before I started losing interest. “If you attack here, you must keep in mind of X; but also realize that Y might impact Z in a way that implicates the life of X and Y.” *dizzy* The thing to realize is this: fighting is complicated. And while Jasiek has done a great job trying to organize it into different sections and try to break everything down into principles, it doesn’t change the fact that fighting is a multi-faceted skill that will not improve simply because you read a book. There are so many aspects that go into it: your reading ability, your positional judgment ability, your life and death, etc. So unless those are up to par, fighting will still seem like a chaotic whirlwind that you won’t be able to make much sense of. At the end of the day, while I personally had a difficult time absorbing the material in the book, this book is truly a milestone for Western go literature in its effort to pioneer a way for us to learn about fighting. And to be honest, I think that I might just be a weird outlier who doesn’t have the diligence or tenacity to absorb the material. So if even a small part of you believes that you have the personality and learning style suited to benefiting from this book, then I would disregard my experience of the book and recommend you get it whenever possible. For the full review, see my blog at BenGoZen! |
Author: | RobertJasiek [ Thu Feb 20, 2014 10:45 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: BenGoZen's Review: Fighting Fundamentals |
Since the book overwhelms you, you might try three months of application in your games those parts of the book you just recall without effort. Afterwards, read those parts of book again that you do not apply yet. You are at a rank where many concepts are still pretty unfamiliar. Until 1k / 1d, players become familiar with the basics of most concepts. Strong amateur dans have a fluent (possibly subconscious) knowledge of every concept and the book's principles, except for the few invented by me (whose application must be at least in the subconscious knowledge of professional players, since I see them applying those principles). In other words, if you want to become a dan player, you cannot avoid those concepts and principles. Why not use also the book for learning and understanding them? You want to be a bird learning to fly by dropping out of the nest, but I think that nevertheless you must have aims in order to learn flying well: in a storm looking for food while being hunted by an eagle, surely you have the aims to cope with the wind, find some food and escape the eagle. And already we have a principle in which you want to achieve X, Y and Z. Although you characterise the book's principles as depending on several parameters, I have just checked and found only 6 such advanced principles, such as "A decision between reduction or invasion, and about how deep it can be, depends on life status and the balances of territory and influence.". Most of the principles in the book are simpler from "Sacrifice non-essential stones." to "A player invades the opponent's region, if this leads to the most favourable changes of the territory and influence balances.". The newly born bird enters the snake cave without thinking, while the experienced bird first assesses the territory. Of course, I agree that the book is more suitable for the studious reader than for the bird. Can birds learn to fly well by just doing it? I am not sure. It reminds me of Ishida Akira's description of a kyu player creating overdeveloped shapes. Until I studied fighting carefully, I had been such a kyu player... Cho Seokbin: "I don't understand. Why do amateurs fight just for the fun of it?" |
Author: | bengozen [ Mon Feb 24, 2014 1:50 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: BenGoZen's Review: Fighting Fundamentals |
Great advice Robert. I definitely plan on revisiting the book when I am a bit stronger and able to really sit down and absorb the material. I'm certainly looking forward to the day where I am able to see things clearly the way you describe. =) And when I do, you can be sure that the review will get a revision to give perspective from both sides! =) Thanks again for your advice! |
Author: | mhlepore [ Mon Feb 24, 2014 3:58 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: BenGoZen's Review: Fighting Fundamentals |
Hi Ben, Reading your review I am reminded of the example of teaching a five year old how to ride a bike. The five year old does not learn by having all of the physics principles in play explained to him. Or by reading a book. The kid learns by doing. A long time ago a strong player told me I needed to learn certain things in the middle game one can't get from a book. It is probably why it takes so long to get strong at this game. Even the strong computer Go programs learn these days by Monte Carlo simulations - they can tell you the right move but not necessarily why it is the right move. Not that there should be no book learning, but that it needs to be generously supplemented with practice and help from stronger players. Just my $0.02. Take care. Mike |
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