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Author: | emeraldemon [ Sat May 28, 2011 5:23 pm ] |
Post subject: | math puzzle |
Each game that I choose "random" in starcraft 2, I'm assigned Zerg, Terran, or Protoss with equal likelihood (I hope!). How many games would I have to play to have a 90% chance of playing each race at least once? |
Author: | jts [ Sat May 28, 2011 7:00 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: math puzzle |
emeraldemon wrote: Each game that I choose "random" in starcraft 2, I'm assigned Zerg, Terran, or Protoss with equal likelihood (I hope!). How many games would I have to play to have a 90% chance of playing each race at least once? |
Author: | hyperpape [ Sat May 28, 2011 7:41 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: math puzzle |
Sounds like someone needs help with his homework! No really, I know you'd never do that. This is a terrible place to ask for help on a Saturday night. |
Author: | emeraldemon [ Sat May 28, 2011 9:59 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: math puzzle |
jts wrote: after N games, there will be a sequence like "ZTZPP..." . What I want to know is, what's the probability that sequence contains at least one Z, one T, and one P. |
Author: | emeraldemon [ Sat May 28, 2011 10:19 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: math puzzle |
hyperpape wrote: Sounds like someone needs help with his homework! No really, I know you'd never do that. This is a terrible place to ask for help on a Saturday night. I thought it was pretty obvious, I was playing some starcraft and this little problem came to me when my "random" wasn't rolling up Zerg |
Author: | Joaz Banbeck [ Sat May 28, 2011 11:25 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: math puzzle |
Code: 1 | ---------------------------- | | | 2 2 1 | | | ----------- ----------- ----------- | | | | | | | | | 2 3 2 3 2 2 2 2 1 F(1) = 0 F(2) = 0 F(3) = 2/9 F(4) = 12/27 Hmmm...Hyperpape's formula does look right. It generates the right answer for N = 2 and N = 4. It generates a clearly wrong answer ( 4/9 ) for N = 3. And it generates a rediculous answer ( -1 ) for N = 1. |
Author: | Joaz Banbeck [ Sun May 29, 2011 12:09 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: math puzzle |
Author: | robinz [ Sun May 29, 2011 3:43 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: math puzzle |
Author: | emeraldemon [ Sun May 29, 2011 8:50 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: math puzzle |
Those look like the right answer to me! |
Author: | Joaz Banbeck [ Sun May 29, 2011 10:18 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: math puzzle |
BTW, my logic for finding the formula was to create a sort of 3-fold Pascal's Triangle, and to observe that there are obviously 3^(n-1) possibilities. Next I noticed that the paths that fail are close to 2^n, and should be exactly 2^n. Or so I thought. I say 'close' because I finally realized that the paths that are all the same values (say, for example, Zerg Zerg Zerg etc) ecompass two 'failures' in one path. That is, they miss BOTH P and T every time, although they are only counted once. There is only one such path. So the proper adjustment should be 2^n - 1. ( Dang, English is an imprecise language! ) |
Author: | hyperpape [ Sun May 29, 2011 10:51 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: math puzzle |
I've always wished I'd taken either a probability or combinatorics class in college. I can think of five or ten classes I'd now trade for it. |
Author: | Li Kao [ Sun May 29, 2011 11:42 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: math puzzle |
Two more race distribution problems: 1) If you have all four players in a game of SC:BW are random, what is the probability to have the same race at least three times? 2) In a SC:BW 1on1 with both players random, what is the probability of a mirror matchup? |
Author: | ChradH [ Sun May 29, 2011 12:18 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: math puzzle |
Joaz Banbeck wrote: ( Dang, English is an imprecise language! ) I'm relieved others find it difficult to put their reasoning in words, too. This is how I got there: edit: added hide tags |
Author: | Solomon [ Tue Jun 07, 2011 9:32 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: math puzzle |
In the spirit of Starcraft and math, here is another puzzle: I'm a Protoss player. Suppose I'm equally likely to face a Terran (PvT), a Zerg (PvZ), or a Protoss (PvP) on the ladder. Which of the following will take a fewer number of games on average: successively playing ladder games until I play a PvT then a PvT then a PvZ, or a PvT then a PvZ then a PvT ? (I hate mirror match-ups .) |
Author: | phillip1882 [ Thu Jun 16, 2011 2:02 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: math puzzle |
i'd say they're both the same. you have a 1/3 chance of playing any race on a match, and you have three matches. regardless of the arrangement of the races, this is the case. its a bit like asking if Heads Tails Heads is more likely than Heads Heads Tails. since starcraft probability math seems to be the theme, here's another. an opponent will chose Zerg 28% of the time, terran 35% of the time, and protoss 37% of the time. zerg beats protoss 57% of the time, terran beats zerg 55% of the time, and protoss beats terran 53% of the time. if you pick a random race, what are your chances of winning? if you want to pick the OP (overpowered) race, what race should you be? |
Author: | Solomon [ Thu Jun 16, 2011 5:07 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: math puzzle |
phillip1882 wrote: its a bit like asking if Heads Tails Heads is more likely than Heads Heads Tails. The average # of flips until the pattern 'Heads Tails Heads' appears is not the same as the average # of flips until 'Heads Heads Tails' appears. |
Author: | Mnemonic [ Thu Jun 16, 2011 6:11 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: math puzzle |
Araban wrote: The average # of flips until the pattern 'Heads Tails Heads' appears is not the same as the average # of flips until 'Heads Heads Tails' appears. Please explain. |
Author: | Solomon [ Thu Jun 16, 2011 7:33 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: math puzzle |
Mnemonic wrote: Araban wrote: The average # of flips until the pattern 'Heads Tails Heads' appears is not the same as the average # of flips until 'Heads Heads Tails' appears. Please explain. |
Author: | hyperpape [ Thu Jun 16, 2011 7:47 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: math puzzle |
Attempted answer. Of course we have previously established that I'm bad at probability... |
Author: | jts [ Thu Jun 16, 2011 8:24 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: math puzzle |
Mnemonic wrote: Araban wrote: The average # of flips until the pattern 'Heads Tails Heads' appears is not the same as the average # of flips until 'Heads Heads Tails' appears. Please explain. @mnemonic |
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