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Author:  luigi [ Sun Jan 22, 2017 2:15 pm ]
Post subject:  Tsumego question



At 8:39, can't White live in seki with Q19?

Author:  DrStraw [ Sun Jan 22, 2017 2:18 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Tsumego question

No, R18 makes miai of playing below or to the right.

Author:  luigi [ Sun Jan 22, 2017 2:35 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Tsumego question

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$$ . . . . . 1 . O . |
$$ . . . X X O 2 4 X |
$$ . . X X O O 3 O O |
$$ . . X O X X O X . |
$$ . . X . . X . X . |
$$ . . X . X . . O . |
$$ . . X X . . . X . |
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I thought this was seki, but I was seeing it wrong. The White stone at 1-2 isn't connected to the rest. :-?

Author:  Cassandra [ Mon Jan 23, 2017 1:04 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Tsumego question

luigi wrote:
I thought this was seki, but I was seeing it wrong. The White stone at 1-2 isn't connected to the rest. :-?

This is not the problem here.

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$$ . . . . . 1 . O . O |
$$ . . . X X O 2 4 X O |
$$ . . X X O O 3 O O O |
$$ . . X O X X O X . . |
$$ . . X . . X . X X X |
$$ . . X . X . . X . . |
$$ . . X X . . . X . . |
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If the problem was not in the corner, but at the side, your suggestion would end in seki.

In the corner-shape, Black can give atari from the outside, so Black's three stones inside form a dead eye-shape.

At the side, White's group has two liberties left inside. Black can give atari only by creating a shape inside that consist of four stones in a row. Capturing these four stones results in a living shape for White.

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