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Post #41 Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2017 5:59 pm 
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As you can see from the fact that I changed my mind about the followup one move later, I had second thoughts too. :) I thought that the move I chose was part of a joseki (if you ignore the extra exchange at G17/G16), but I could definitely be wrong (or it could be inappropriate here).

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Post #42 Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2017 6:26 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm36 Prisoner Count: B-4 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . X X . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O X X X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I know Black's move is valid, but I can't actually remember anyone ever playing it against me! I'm pretty sure I'm supposed to pull back, but with my wall I'd probably end up being overconcentrated, plus it even has an open skirt at the bottom (though maybe that isn't as bad as it looks; if Black tries the monkey jump I think I can play B14, after which A14 B16 A16 is a ko).

I bet this cut isn't "correct", but I have strength in the vicinity, and I probably need to start a fight at some point if I'm going to come back. I looked at a few variations but I don't think there's much point in transcribing any of them yet.

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Post #43 Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2017 8:07 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm37 Prisoner Count: B-4 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . X X . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O X X X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 1 O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I guess this is the only move. This seems like an overplay for white.
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[go]$$Wcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . X X . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O X X X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . 4 2 6 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 3 O X 5 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 8 X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 7 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Wcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . X X . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O X X X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X 3 5 7 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 4 6 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 8 O . . . . . O . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

It looks fine for me, at least in these two variations.

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Post #44 Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2017 11:54 am 
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[go]$$Wcm38 Prisoner Count: B-4 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . X X . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O X X X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Let's do this. I extended from my weaker stone (I think), as I am instructed. I'm not going to bother with variations yet, because 1) so many different things could happen, and 2) I have lots more stones around, so I shouldn't have to worry that I'm going to get wrecked. For example, if Black ends up with the corner but I get another good wall, that should be okay.

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Post #45 Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2017 5:34 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm39 Prisoner Count: B-4 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . X X . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O X X X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Let's count how many points I got after I play the driving tesuji.
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[go]$$Bcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . C . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X X . C . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X O C . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . C X . X . X X . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | C X O X X X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | C C X O 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X 2 4 6 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 3 5 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 7 O C . . . . O . . . . . , X C C |
$$ | . . . . C . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . C . . . . . . . . . C . . . . |
$$ | . . . . C . . . . . . . . . C . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Top left: 24
Top right: 6
Bottom left: 21
Bottom right: 12
Total: 63 points

White can surround 60 points in the center but I doubt he can do that without giving me more points on the side.

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Post #46 Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2017 8:45 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm40 Prisoner Count: B-4 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . X X . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O X X X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Hmm, that was a little unexpected, though I suppose he's going to try to force a bunch and then go for the corner:

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[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoner Count: B-4 W-0
$$ | . . . , . . .
$$ | . . O a . . .
$$ | . . O X . . .
$$ | . . X O X . .
$$ | . . X 1 3 5 .
$$ | . . . 2 4 . .
$$ | . . . O . . .
$$ | . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . .
$$ ----------------[/go]

after which Black has a choice to make with :b6:. It seems to be a one-way street until then, so I'll cross that bridge when we come to it. I briefly also looked at starting with an atari at a, but didn't like the positions that result if he just captures in response.

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Post #47 Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2017 11:27 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm41 Prisoner Count: B-4 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . X X . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O X X X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #48 Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2017 7:44 am 
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[go]$$Wcm42 Prisoner Count: B-4 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . X X . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O X X X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


No choice.

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Post #49 Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2017 8:25 am 
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[go]$$Bcm43 Prisoner Count: B-4 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . X X . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O X X X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


If white hanes, I will fight this ko because my shape will be terrible if I descend at B4.
White only has threats at a and b but I have local threats like c, d and e. f is not a threat for white. I think I can win this ko.

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[go]$$Wcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . X X . , . . . . . X b . . |
$$ | . X O X X X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . e . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . d . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O 1 c . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 8 . X X 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | f 7 2 O 3 . . . . O . . . . . a X . . |
$$ | . 6 5 . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #50 Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2017 10:40 am 
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[go]$$Wcm44 Prisoner Count: B-4 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . X X . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O X X X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Now Black has a decision to make. My first instinct as Black would be to hane at C4 rather than to keep extending with F5. In that case I would have to decide whether to try to fight over the corner or whether to give him one more big corner while making another wall.

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Post #51 Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2017 12:25 pm 
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$$ | . . . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . X X . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O X X X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 1 O . . . . . O . . . . . , X . . |
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Post #52 Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2017 7:45 pm 
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Sorry for the long break; the site was down and then it took some energy to start thinking about this game again.

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[go]$$Wcm46 Prisoner Count: B-4 W-0
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$$ | . . . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . X X . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O X X X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . O . . . . . , X . . |
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I don't really see an alternative. I was hoping to create some ideas in the corner, but for everything I saw, Black broke into the lower side and I just got weak anyway. I now foresee something like this (not sure about :w7: yet):

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$$ | . . . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . X X . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O X X X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . , . . . . . 7 . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O 2 3 . . . O . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . 4 5 . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . 6 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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Black has something like 23 points in the upper left, 20 in the lower left, 12 in the lower right, 4 prisoners = 59.

If White can hang on to everything between his walls and K10/K4, that's something like 60.

I don't think White actually can, plus Black deserves some credit for the upper right star point stone, plus it'll be Black's move, but the game is not necessarily out of reach. I still feel like I'm going uphill, but that's okay, I don't mind fighting from behind.

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Post #53 Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2017 1:47 am 
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No worries. I am so glad that we are still playing this game. I've been enjoying it.

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[go]$$Bcm47 Prisoner Count: B-4 W-0
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$$ | . . . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . X X . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O X X X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O 1 . . . . O . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


As much as I want to hane, it looks like an overplay.

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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoner Count: B-4 W-0
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$$ | . . . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . X X . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O X X X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 3 X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O 2 1 5 . . O . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . 4 6 . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #54 Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2017 6:05 pm 
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$$ | . . . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . X X . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O X X X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O O O . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . . O . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
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I am in rather big trouble, actually. Continuing to descend in the lower left is so non-sente that it's rather embarrassing that I was under the delusion that it was. I'm going to make one move here on the right to hopefully get Black to commit to making something on the upper side, then plan to hane at J16, which looks rather small, but I think the difference between me playing there and Black playing at J15 has a big effect on the whole center and northeast quadrant of the board. I need to mix things up a little or I'm just going to be staring at a 20-point deficit where Black has no weak groups.

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Post #55 Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2017 7:08 am 
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[go]$$Bcm49 Prisoner Count: B-4 W-0
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$$ | . . . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . X X . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O X X X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O O O . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X 1 . . . O . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Since I don't have any good response locally, I think I am gonna tenuki...My move is aiming at the hane at H5. White doesn't have a lot of liberties, so if he tenuki I can squeeze him.

If I play low, this shoulder hit is very obnoxious...

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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoner Count: B-4 W-0
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$$ | . . . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X O . . . . . 3 1 . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . X X . , 4 . 2 . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O X X X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O O O . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . . O . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


If I play high, white can invade the 3-3 immediately which is also annoying...
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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoner Count: B-4 W-0
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$$ | . . . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X O . . . . . . . . . 2 . . |
$$ | . . X . X . X X . , . . . 1 . X . . . |
$$ | . X O X X X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O O O . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . . O . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #56 Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2017 5:28 pm 
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$$ | . . . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . X X . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O X X X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O O O . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X X 1 . . O . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I really can't let him keep pushing out on the fourth line. I'm regretting a bit playing tenuki last move, but I still don't think it would have been sente for me to play here myself, so maybe this is Black's privilege.

Despite my low number of liberties, I think I am ahead in the fight if Black decides to cut now or later.

Black's corner is really gigantic. If he is able to make any decent erasure of my middle territory, I'm a goner. All I can do for now is keep playing, though.

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Post #57 Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2017 7:50 am 
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[go]$$Bcm51 Prisoner Count: B-4 W-0
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . X X . , . . . 1 . X . . . |
$$ | . X O X X X O O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O O O . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X X O . . O . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I should come back to respond in the corner. Hopefully I can get sente out of this.

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