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Author: | jlt [ Wed Dec 15, 2021 12:37 am ] |
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Answering high works better when K17 is already present than answering low. I dont mind if he invades next:
Or he may want to go for a variation like this?
Or perhaps without the - exchange and aim at "a" later? I wonder if the kick would have been better
but in that case I woud have preferred my C6 stone to be at C5, so that I can extend at C8 later. |
Author: | Dokuganryu [ Wed Dec 15, 2021 4:50 am ] |
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Author: | jlt [ Wed Dec 15, 2021 5:40 am ] |
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Expecting this.
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Author: | Dokuganryu [ Wed Dec 15, 2021 5:47 am ] |
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Author: | jlt [ Wed Dec 15, 2021 5:55 am ] |
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Only move. |
Author: | Dokuganryu [ Wed Dec 15, 2021 5:57 am ] |
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Author: | jlt [ Thu Dec 16, 2021 8:18 am ] |
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Not sure about that one. His last move stabilizes his group and threatens the attachment
Or perhaps the following but I am less familiar with the continuation:
On the other hand I don't want to protect my lower left corner right now and will accept the attachment since there are other important points:
He may use the weak points a or b to invade the top. In addition, "c" is a forcing move. So I am aiming at something like this
He may not play there, I put the stone at a random place to show where I'll try to play next in order to build my own moyo. I know that the shape with N16-M14-O12 is not very good but for now I can't find a better move. I'll think later depending on Black's response. |
Author: | Dokuganryu [ Thu Dec 16, 2021 9:01 am ] |
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Author: | jlt [ Thu Dec 16, 2021 2:56 pm ] |
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Let's compare two moves. First move:
Second move:
The first move seems to build bigger, and the second allows later Black to close the corner in sente, so is worse from an endgame point of view:
Both moves leave cutting points. I don't think Black will cut directly but may use these weaknesses to invade the top. Or maybe the top is just invadable at H17 regardless of these weaknesses? I didn't read that in detail. I didn't want to just protect at H16, this seemed too passive. I suppose N15 can't be really bad since it's reverse sente and loosely connects two groups.
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Author: | Dokuganryu [ Fri Dec 17, 2021 2:13 pm ] |
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Author: | jlt [ Fri Dec 17, 2021 2:18 pm ] |
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Author: | Dokuganryu [ Fri Dec 17, 2021 2:38 pm ] |
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I may be too busy on Saturday, so probably will answer in the middle of Sunday. |
Author: | jlt [ Fri Dec 17, 2021 2:47 pm ] |
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No problem.
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Author: | Dokuganryu [ Sun Dec 19, 2021 8:15 am ] |
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guess I need to force some move here to protect myself from white cutting these stones from the top right ones. |
Author: | jlt [ Sun Dec 19, 2021 3:31 pm ] |
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This variation is annoying
This one too
This one looks fine
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Author: | Dokuganryu [ Mon Dec 20, 2021 2:17 am ] |
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Again, pushing here seems not dangerous for me, and white can mess up:P |
Author: | jlt [ Mon Dec 20, 2021 2:34 am ] |
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I think this capturing race is fine.
At worst I have the sequence a-g. Edit: I wonder if M10 would have been a better shape. Anyway too late. |
Author: | Dokuganryu [ Mon Dec 20, 2021 3:33 am ] |
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There should be some good sequence with cut at N17, just need to get the order of moves right |
Author: | jlt [ Mon Dec 20, 2021 4:27 am ] |
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Author: | Dokuganryu [ Mon Dec 20, 2021 3:48 pm ] |
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This is a headache:P |
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