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Offline Loons
 Post subject: Re: #241 : xoxo88 vs Loons
Post #61 Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2014 12:40 am 
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I was vaguely anticipating K16, and was talking to myself about segueing into a double approach. This move puts relatively less pressure on my approach stone. Black wants to trade down some territory to me, though it's true I haven't consolidated any points anywhere yet, so I'll need to take a few.

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 Post subject: Re: #241 : xoxo88 vs Loons
Post #62 Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2014 12:58 am 
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[go]$$Bcm49
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . 4 . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . 5 . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 3 . X 2 . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 1 X . . . . O X . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X O O . X O . X . . . . . X X O O . |
$$ | . O . . . . O X . . . . . X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O , . . . X O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X . . . X . X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

I want to avoid accidentally vindicating black's last move.

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 Post subject: Re: #241 : xoxo88 vs Loons
Post #63 Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2014 1:40 am 
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[go]$$Bcm49
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . 4 . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . 5 . 7 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 3 . X 2 . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 1 X . . . . O X . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X O O . X O . X . . . . . X X O O . |
$$ | . O . . . . O X . . . . . X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O , . . . X O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X . . . X . X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


preparing to crosscut! i think his double approach is a mistake. he should jump first and force me to get a base on the top. after that his stones are strong and he can attack the corner more severe while im still not alive on top. also, on this way hes getting a ladder breaker for the bottom, so i need to sacrifice the 2 stones when he cuts which is quite big. at the moment his kakari is alrdy the breaker but im not sure if that stays and if he got the time to use it in the upcoming fight.
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[go]$$Bcm49
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 8 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 7 . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . 9 . . , . . 4 . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . 5 . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 . . . 0 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 3 . X 2 . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 1 X . . . . O X . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X O O . X O . X . . . . . X X O O . |
$$ | . O . . . . O X . . . . . X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O , . . . X O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X . . . X . X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]
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 Post subject: Re: #241 : xoxo88 vs Loons
Post #64 Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2014 12:39 am 
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[go]$$Bcm49
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . 4 . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . 5 . 7 8 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 3 . X 2 . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 1 X . . . . O X . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X O O . X O . X . . . . . X X O O . |
$$ | . O . . . . O X . . . . . X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O , . . . X O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X . . . X . X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

Well, it's non-trivial.

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 Post subject: Re: #241 : xoxo88 vs Loons
Post #65 Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2014 12:49 am 
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[go]$$Bcm49
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . 4 9 . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . 5 . 7 8 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 3 . X 2 . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 1 X . . . . O X . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X O O . X O . X . . . . . X X O O . |
$$ | . O . . . . O X . . . . . X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O , . . . X O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X . . . X . X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


no choice
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Offline Loons
 Post subject: Re: #241 : xoxo88 vs Loons
Post #66 Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2014 12:58 am 
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[go]$$Bcm49
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . 4 9 0 X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . 5 . 7 8 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 3 . X 2 . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 1 X . . . . O X . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X O O . X O . X . . . . . X X O O . |
$$ | . O . . . . O X . . . . . X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O , . . . X O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X . . . X . X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

Trying to maintain good style, I think this fight possibly bodes well for me. Still feeling dangerously down on territory.

I'm a bit loathe to share my reading since my confidence that anything will happen is pretty slim.

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[go]$$Bc Looks okay for white?
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 3 4 . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . O X O X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . X . X O 2 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 3 . X 2 . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 1 X . . . . O X . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X O O . X O . X . . . . . X X O O . |
$$ | . O . . . . O X . . . . . X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O , . . . X O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X . . . X . X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

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 Post subject: Re: #241 : xoxo88 vs Loons
Post #67 Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2014 5:32 am 
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[go]$$Bcm59
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . O X O X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . X . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . O X . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X O O . X O . X . . . . . X X O O . |
$$ | . O . . . . O X . . . . . X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O , . . . X O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X . . . X . X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]
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 Post subject: Re: #241 : xoxo88 vs Loons
Post #68 Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2014 6:21 am 
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i just found out there is no ladder :S

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[go]$$Bcm59
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . O X O X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . X . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . O X . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X O O . X O . X . . . . . X X O O . |
$$ | . O . . . . O X . . . . . X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O 5 . . . X O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X 2 3 . X . X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 4 . . . . X O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


the white 2 stones are still catched

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[go]$$Bcm59
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . O X O X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . X . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . O X . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X O O . X O . X . . . . . X X O O . |
$$ | . O . . . . O X 9 . . . . X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O 5 . . . X O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X 2 3 8 X . X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 4 6 7 . . X O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


that means he should play it like this:

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[go]$$Bcm59
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . O X O X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . X . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . O X . 3 . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X O O . X O . X . . . . . X X O O . |
$$ | . O . . . . O X . . . . . X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O . . . . X O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . 2 X X . . . X . X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


i feel okay with that, especially since the top trade seems to be good direction for me, giving the corner to him and negating his influence to nearly nothing... the upper left corner remains open and i still have potential to enlarger my moyo at the bottom.
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Offline Loons
 Post subject: Re: #241 : xoxo88 vs Loons
Post #69 Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2014 2:10 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm59
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . O X O X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . X . X O 2 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . O X . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X O O . X O . X . . . . . X X O O . |
$$ | . O . . . . O X . . . . . X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O , . . . X O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X . . . X . X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

Actually, this looks terrible for me. Not sure if I can even conceivably get enough points to catch up.

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Offline Uberdude
 Post subject: Re: #241 : xoxo88 vs Loons
Post #70 Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2014 2:19 pm 
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Loons wrote:
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[go]$$Bcm49
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . 4 . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . 5 . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 3 . X 2 . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 1 X . . . . O X . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X O O . X O . X . . . . . X X O O . |
$$ | . O . . . . O X . . . . . X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O , . . . X O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X . . . X . X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

I want to avoid accidentally vindicating black's last move.


Mission accomplished, or would you play differently in hindsight?
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Offline Loons
 Post subject: Re: #241 : xoxo88 vs Loons
Post #71 Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2014 2:50 pm 
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Mission accomplished in vindicating black's last move. In hindsight, I would think about attaching? I didn't think black's attachment would be so severe.
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[go]$$Bcm49
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . 7 6 . 4 . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . 8 5 . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 3 . X 2 . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |[/go]

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Post #72 Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2014 9:46 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm59
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 3 . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . O X O X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . X . X O 2 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . O X . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X O O . X O . X . . . . . X X O O . |
$$ | . O . . . . O X . . . . . X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O , . . . X O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X . . . X . X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


I expect this next:
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[go]$$Bcm59
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 7 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 3 4 6 . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . 9 O X O X 8 . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . X . X O 2 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . O X . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X O O . X O . X . . . . . X X O O . |
$$ | . O . . . . O X . . . . . X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O , . . . X O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X . . . X . X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]
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Post #73 Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2014 2:04 am 
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[go]$$Bcm59
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 3 4 . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . O X O X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . X . X O 2 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . O X . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X O O . X O . X . . . . . X X O O . |
$$ | . O . . . . O X . . . . . X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O , . . . X O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X . . . X . X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

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[go]$$Bcm59
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 7 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 3 4 6 . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . 9 O X O X 8 . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . X . X O 2 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . O X . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X O O . X O . X . . . . . X X O O . |
$$ | . O . . . . O X . . . . . X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O , . . . X O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X . . . X . X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

Well, maybe it's not so bad.

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Post #74 Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2014 5:38 am 
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[go]$$Bcm59
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 3 4 . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . O X O X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . X . X O 2 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . O X . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X O O . X O . X . . . . . X X O O . |
$$ | . O . . . . O X . . . . . X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O , . . . X O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X . . . X . X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


Last edited by xoxo88 on Wed Aug 20, 2014 5:51 am, edited 1 time in total.
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Post #75 Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2014 5:51 am 
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I think i should rather play instantly M16 after R17, R18 is big, no question but its not sente since i have to come back to M16 anyway and i really could need sente to play B12 and invading the corner afterwards. I actually would love to hear opinions about that.
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Post #76 Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2014 11:58 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm59
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 3 4 6 . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . O X O X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . X . X O 2 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . O X . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X O O . X O . X . . . . . X X O O . |
$$ | . O . . . . O X . . . . . X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O , . . . X O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X . . . X . X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

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$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 3 4 6 . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . 7 O X O X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . X . X O 2 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . O X . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X O O . X O . X . . . . . X X O O . |
$$ | . O . . . . O X . . . . . X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O , . . . X O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X . . . X . X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]
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$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 3 4 6 . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . 7 O X O X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . X . X O 2 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 8 . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . O X . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X O O . X O . X . . . . . X X O O . |
$$ | . O . . . . O X . . . . . X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O , . . . X O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X . . . X . X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

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[go]$$Bcm59
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 0 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 9 1 3 4 6 . . |
$$ | . . . , . . 0 . . , . 7 O X O X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . X . X O 2 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 8 . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . O X . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X O O . X O . X . . . . . X X O O . |
$$ | . O . . . . O X . . . . . X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O , . . . X O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X . . . X . X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

Hmm.

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[go]$$Bcm59
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 9 1 3 4 6 . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . 7 . X O X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . X . X O 2 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 8 . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . O X . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X O O . X O . X . . . . . X X O O . |
$$ | . O . . . . O X . . . . . X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O , . . . X O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X . . . X . X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


how to count prisoners in these diagrams?
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Instead of :b65: the ladder (a), how about :b1: ? Seems double sente ( :w66: ) ?
The local shape after :b67: also seems over-concentrated for B ?
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[go]$$B
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . a O X O X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . X . X O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . O X . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X O O . X O . X . . . . . X X O O . |
$$ | . O . . . . O X . . . . . X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O , . . . X O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X . . . X . X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]
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