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Author: | Uberdude [ Tue Aug 19, 2014 1:23 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: #240 awef vs jeromie |
Now would have been a good time for black s6. It's certainly sente now as there's no big opening points left that white could satisfactorily get two of in exchange for allowing s6 and r7. |
Author: | jeromie [ Tue Aug 19, 2014 9:55 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: #240 awef vs jeromie |
No problem, awef. This is the first week of classes (I'm a teacher), so it's probably good that I took the weekend off of this game.
I looked at the bottom around L3 and top around J17, but as far as I can tell black needs to respond locally to this reply or he will get a bad result. That means I can play this in sente to stabilize my right side group before attacking the weaknesses on the top and bottom. If black ignores this:
Black's potential in the center is severely damaged and white's is significantly increased. Edit: Fixed grammar. |
Author: | awef [ Wed Aug 20, 2014 1:17 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: #240 awef vs jeromie |
I'm fine getting pushed this direction since it builds me territory, even though it secures his position more. |
Author: | jeromie [ Wed Aug 20, 2014 9:06 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: #240 awef vs jeromie |
I primarily considered moves in the shaded area, especially J16 and L16, though I did look at a (makes L16 much more playable because more ladders work for me, helps keep black from reducing by extending from the left side, and threatens a nice follow up at d), b (this bottom weakness is still big), and c (one more move here would make my territory on the right side much bigger). Ultimately I decided that now is the time to attack the weakness on the top... if black gets to solidify that area the game looks very bad for white. I chose the shoulder hit because I want outside influence, and while I can separate his stones with K16 black will get a nice outside wall in the process. Almost decided to switch to the star point at the last minute, but decided it was better to go with my initial instinct. |
Author: | awef [ Fri Aug 22, 2014 11:50 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: #240 awef vs jeromie |
I figure keeping this stone connected to my group is important. I figure white will push once more, which I'll answer. After that, I suspect white will play around L3. |
Author: | jeromie [ Fri Aug 22, 2014 2:21 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: #240 awef vs jeromie |
Continuing to try and get rid of black's center potential while building white's influence. Extending in the other direction give black a nice hane at the head of two stones:
Likely follow ups: Simple:
Complex fighting to follow! (Though I'm not entirely sure I'd make this move 38. There might be a simple move that works for white.)
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Author: | awef [ Wed Aug 27, 2014 11:09 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: #240 awef vs jeromie |
Just keeping connected and jumping ahead of is push. |
Author: | jeromie [ Wed Aug 27, 2014 12:40 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: #240 awef vs jeromie |
I get the wall I wanted; I'm content with this. I looked at playing D12 first, but I can't ignore black to follow up if he hanes at H16. Getting this solid wall first is important for white. I'm expecting a play on the left side around D12 or a play on the bottom, which is still big for both of us.. |
Author: | skydyr [ Wed Aug 27, 2014 2:50 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: #240 awef vs jeromie |
@jeromie jeromie wrote: I get the wall I wanted; I'm content with this. I looked at playing D12 first, but I can't ignore black to follow up if he hanes at H16. Getting this solid wall first is important for white. I'm expecting a play on the left side around D12 or a play on the bottom, which is still big for both of us.. I may have missed this earlier, but what do you plan to do with the wall? |
Author: | jeromie [ Wed Aug 27, 2014 3:09 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: #240 awef vs jeromie |
skydyr wrote: @jeromie jeromie wrote: I get the wall I wanted; I'm content with this. I looked at playing D12 first, but I can't ignore black to follow up if he hanes at H16. Getting this solid wall first is important for white. I'm expecting a play on the left side around D12 or a play on the bottom, which is still big for both of us.. I may have missed this earlier, but what do you plan to do with the wall? There are a few ways I plan to use it: 1) This makes it harder for black to turn the upper right quadrant of the board into a very big territory. (Though I'm not entirely out of the woods on that yet.) 2) I can possibly use it as the foundation for some center territory of my own. 3) I can be more aggressive in certain areas of the board (e.g. the bottom right) where more ladders will work in my favor. |
Author: | awef [ Thu Sep 04, 2014 11:54 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: #240 awef vs jeromie |
Hey jeromie, sorry for the delay.
I think this will be sente. I plan to play L4 next chance but we'll see. Other moves I was considering:
and
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Author: | jeromie [ Fri Sep 05, 2014 7:24 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: #240 awef vs jeromie |
Black's move is a relatively small reduction, but it is sente so I guess it makes sense to play this now. I imagine this is the sequence he has in mind:
Because this move 41 looks worse for black:
And a tenuki after 42 leaves 44 as sente for white :
I've looked at a few other moves in the local area (e.g. B15), but they all seem to be slightly worse in points and still end in gote for white. |
Author: | awef [ Fri Sep 05, 2014 8:19 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: #240 awef vs jeromie |
Okay, yup, I figure this will end in sente for me, so still some time to think about where to play with it. |
Author: | jeromie [ Fri Sep 05, 2014 8:44 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: #240 awef vs jeromie |
Sequence as noted above. I did check to see if an immediate atari at A12 or B12 could lead to a favorable result, but neither worked. |
Author: | awef [ Wed Sep 10, 2014 12:50 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: #240 awef vs jeromie |
Keeping this stone easily connected seems like a reasonable enough play. Nothing looks urgent to me. |
Author: | Uberdude [ Wed Sep 10, 2014 1:13 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: #240 awef vs jeromie |
S6 S6 S6 S6 S6 S6 |
Author: | jeromie [ Wed Sep 10, 2014 8:42 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: #240 awef vs jeromie |
Black has a lot more territory than white, but I think this move is sente (white has a follow up at C10) and big. I'm estimating what white is about 25 points ahead in territory (though I didn't try for an exact count), but at this level I don't think I'm out of the game yet. Still, my follow up to this needs to be something that does more than secure boundary lines. I considered playing in the lower left corner to keep myself from getting sealed in there, but I think this is bigger. |
Author: | awef [ Thu Sep 11, 2014 12:01 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: #240 awef vs jeromie |
obligatory. |
Author: | jeromie [ Fri Sep 12, 2014 8:29 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: #240 awef vs jeromie |
I was tempted to keep playing locally with the marked move (threatening a), but playing here is likely to end in gote and only makes a really big profit if black blunders. Playing on the right side is another sente move (I think) and starts to look like I can make 5th line territory in that area (if I fix my weakness at b).
I did make sure that I have a response if black gets to play on the left before I do, but I think the clamp works if he hanes:
If black responds by extending I'll jump out with 48.
If he hanes, I'll have to give a little because I don't think the cross cut will work.
The other area I looked at is a move around a or b to move my lower left group into the center and keep black's two big groups separated, potentially allowing a later invasion in one of the marked areas. I think preventing black from turning at my actual 46 is more important, though.
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Author: | awef [ Fri Sep 12, 2014 9:22 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: #240 awef vs jeromie |
He gave me a push so I'll walk. I wanted to hane. I probably could've gotten away with it but things started looking messy after
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