Life In 19x19 :: Teamovich 2

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm17 or at (a). Seems ok because black would rather have at (b) $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . a 6 . . | $$ | . . O , X . . . . X . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . b . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 . 1 . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . 3 . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm17 Don't really like this because black has sente $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O , X . . . . X . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 3 O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7 . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 . 8 6 . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm17 Try something crazy with the goal of attacking $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O , X . . . . X . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Author:	Tryphon [ Sun May 29, 2011 10:23 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Teamovich 2
No, I'll read the thread. I can read comments by White and only them, can't I ?

Author:	Mnemonic [ Sun May 29, 2011 10:38 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Teamovich 2
Yes, except those by markus marked 'observers'

Author:	robinz [ Sun Jun 12, 2011 4:30 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Teamovich 2
Bump. Are we ready to restart this game yet? I do believe it's still black's move...

Author:	Jordus [ Mon Jun 13, 2011 10:32 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Teamovich 2
Black Chat: Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm11 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . O , X . . . . X . . . . . , . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . \| $$ \| . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7 . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ ---------------------------------------[/go] i like the pincer... so why not another standard reply to choose from?

Author:	Loons [ Tue Jun 14, 2011 7:12 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Teamovich 2
@Redundant Can you chide your subordinates for suggesting/endorsing a 4-4 pincer without even casually mentioning the 3-3 invasion continuation?

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Author:	Redundant [ Wed Jun 15, 2011 8:43 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Teamovich 2
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm11 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . O , X . . . . X . . . . . , . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . \| $$ \| . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7 . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ ---------------------------------------[/go] Team: I would have liked to get more elaboration about the follow up for this ... but the move isn't bad at all. Loons: I would like to see more of their reading, but I'll be generous and assume that they're doing a bunch of reading behind my back.

Author:	Mnemonic [ Thu Jun 16, 2011 8:25 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Teamovich 2
Some brainstorming Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm17 or at (a). Seems ok because black would rather have at (b) $$ --------------------------------------- $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . a 6 . . \| $$ \| . . O , X . . . . X . . . . . , . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . \| $$ \| . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . b . . \| $$ \| . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 . 1 . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 . O . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . X . . . . . , . . . 3 . X . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ ---------------------------------------[/go] Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm17 Don't really like this because black has sente $$ --------------------------------------- $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . O , X . . . . X . . . . . , . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . \| $$ \| . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 3 O . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7 . . \| $$ \| . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 . 8 6 . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ ---------------------------------------[/go] Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm17 Try something crazy with the goal of attacking $$ --------------------------------------- $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . O , X . . . . X . . . . . , . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . \| $$ \| . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . , . . . . . X . . . . . , . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Author:	lesenv [ Sat Jun 25, 2011 1:06 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Teamovich 2
some bumping...

Author:	robinz [ Sat Jun 25, 2011 2:27 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Teamovich 2
WIC: Of Mnemonic's choices, I'm sure I prefer the simple jump. I suck at joseki, not having bothered to learn any but a very few which keep coming up in my games (and the 2-space low pincer isn't one of them), so I'm not sure how we're supposed to be following it up, but I doubt Mnemonic's cap is the only option (although it doesn't look a bad one). But another option is surely to just invade the corner. Yes, I know, it gives black a lot of thickness, which works fairly well with tengen - but it does give us a fair amount of territory compared with the 3-3 invasion without first approaching, nor does it lead to us getting sealed in as badly. I feel it's an option, especially given our captain's expressed preference for us taking some cash. (Although he has also indicated, very reasonably imo, that he doesn't want us getting sealed in, so perhaps this is out for that reason. Although, as I said, I think it's hard to totally seal us in in this variation - plus it's also a respectable joseki.) I don't know what to suggest, but am trying to say a bit more now I've finally got some time to have some thoughts.

Author:	lesenv [ Thu Jul 07, 2011 11:58 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Teamovich 2
i don't even remember if both teams are complete now... can we please continue this game?

Author:	SinK [ Fri Jul 08, 2011 4:22 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Teamovich 2
I think we're complete. We're just waiting on white now.

Author:	robinz [ Fri Jul 08, 2011 10:51 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Teamovich 2
Yep, we are - sorry black team. In my last post I entered into some discussion with Mnemonic about our next move (which he had already initiated), but I haven't had any response yet. I also have very little time these days, but this weekend I'll try to at least post a suggestion, even if I haven't had any more input from my teammate(s) by then.

Author:	SinK [ Tue Jul 26, 2011 9:42 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Teamovich 2
Bump-bump-bump-bumpetty-bump.

Author:	robinz [ Tue Jul 26, 2011 10:41 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Teamovich 2
Bump indeed - even though it's our move I'd be happy to continue, but don't feel very motivated to if there's no comment from my team-mate (should that be plural? I got kind of lost where we got with finding a replacement for Rafa) or my captain...

Author:	perceval [ Thu Aug 04, 2011 1:17 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Teamovich 2
tryphon is around maybe he has forgotten that he has been accepted in W team ? as a spectator i would love to see the thread go on

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Author:	Marcus [ Tue Jul 26, 2011 10:44 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Teamovich 2
I'm here ... but robinz seems to be the last white soldier standing.

Author:	SinK [ Thu Jul 28, 2011 6:29 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Teamovich 2
I guess its all of us versus robinz then?

Author:	robinz [ Thu Jul 28, 2011 10:37 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Teamovich 2
runs and hides