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 Post subject: Re: Numsgil (3k) vs perceval (7k) - Donut Board
Post #41 Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2012 2:18 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm45 W+7.5 (komi +prisoners)
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$$ --------------------------------------------[/go]


i wish i had a super good analysis to back that one up but the bottom line is i am curious to see if it can live here on this strange board; if it doesand the 2 stones on the bottom don t die either i ll be ahead i think; i expect something like (:w48: could be elsewhere but i just hope to use the aji at D4 somehow -- hope go at its craziest but I can't read a thing these days)
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[go]$$Bcm45 W+7.5 (komi +prisoners)
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$$ --------------------------------------------[/go]


and i have no idea where this leads

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Post #42 Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2012 2:50 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm46 W+7.5 (komi +prisoners)
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$$ --------------------------------------------[/go]


He's going to find it hard to build a base. If he extends from this stone, I pincer. If he tries to build a base I'll undercut it. If he leaves it as a forcing exchange I'm fine with that.

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Post #43 Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 12:18 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm47 W+7.5 (komi +prisoners)
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$$ --------------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #44 Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2012 12:12 am 
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[go]$$Wcm48 W+7.5 (komi +prisoners)
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$$ --------------------------------------------[/go]


Looking at it now, I think he has miai for making a base on either the top or bottom edge.. But I'll keep pressuring him. This secures some extra territory and threatens to scoop out the base along the external edge.

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Post #45 Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2012 1:54 am 
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[go]$$Wcm48 W+7.5 (komi +prisoners)
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ --------------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #46 Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2012 1:35 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm48 W+7.5 (komi +prisoners)
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$$ --------------------------------------------[/go]


i made some comments but they were eaten somehow .. i ll try to remake them later

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Post #47 Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2012 8:39 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm50 W+7.5 (komi +prisoners)
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$$ --------------------------------------------[/go]


Seems like a pretty obvious point. And it keeps his groups separated.

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Post #48 Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 2:00 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm51 W+7.5 (komi +prisoners)
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$$ --------------------------------------------[/go]

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[go]$$Bcm51 W+7.5 (komi +prisoners)
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$$ --------------------------------------------[/go]

after the expected sequence he will probably harass my group from some other direction and i will have move around a later in the endgame maybe

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Post #49 Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2012 8:43 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm52 W+7.5 (komi +prisoners)
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$$ --------------------------------------------[/go]


This is what I'm thinking:

This way I'm pretty sure I capture black's three stones.
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[go]$$Wc W+7.5 (komi +prisoners)
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$$ | . . . . . . - - - - - - - - - . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . - - - - - - - - - . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . - - - - - - - - - . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . - - - - - - - - - . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . X 2 . - - - - - - - - - . . O . . . |
$$ | . . 9 . 1 . - - - - - - - - - . . . . . . |
$$ | . 0 4 3 . . - - - - - - - - - . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 7 X 5 . - - - - - - - - - . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 8 6 X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . , . O . X . . X . . . . . . O O X . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O O O X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ --------------------------------------------[/go]


In which case this might be best for black. But he's not exactly in a strong position yet.
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[go]$$Wc W+7.5 (komi +prisoners)
$$ --------------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X O . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . X . . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . O O . - - - - - - - - - . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . - - - - - - - - - . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . - - - - - - - - - . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . 5 . - - - - - - - - - . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . - - - - - - - - - . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . X 3 . - - - - - - - - - . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . 2 1 . - - - - - - - - - . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . 4 . - - - - - - - - - . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . - - - - - - - - - . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . , . O . X . . X . . . . . . O O X . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O O O X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ --------------------------------------------[/go]


There's lots of variations, and I won't try and post them all. But complications should favor me so I'm all gung-ho for this.

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 Post subject: Re: Numsgil (3k) vs perceval (7k) - Donut Board
Post #50 Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 1:57 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm52 W+7.5 (komi +prisoners)
$$ --------------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X O . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . X . . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . O O . - - - - - - - - - . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . - - - - - - - - - . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . - - - - - - - - - . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . - - - - - - - - - . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . - - - - - - - - - . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . - - - - - - - - - . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . 2 O . - - - - - - - - - . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . - - - - - - - - - . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . - - - - - - - - - . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . , . O . X . . X . . . . . . O O X . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O O O X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ --------------------------------------------[/go]

This is annoying i thought of that just after playing my previous move. Connecting the hane would let him cut me in half, i,ll se what i can do from here.

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