Life In 19x19 :: Numsgil (3k) vs shapenaji (6d)

Having studied it more, I'm more confident than ever that his pincer at "c" in the previous diagram just doesn't attack strongly

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Nifty huh? I live on the upper edge (treating my middle stone as a stone on the 4th line, rather than on the third line) and then the double hane. "a" would be typical if I was on a normal edge, but it doesn't work here. "b" is simply captured.

Author:	Numsgil [ Fri Jan 27, 2012 3:03 pm ]
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Author:	Joaz Banbeck [ Fri Jan 27, 2012 3:39 pm ]
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Joaz says: Don't run.

Author:	tj86430 [ Fri Jan 27, 2012 3:48 pm ]
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This should be interesting. I don't know if it will be more interesting than Magicwand's games, but interesting nevertheless.

Author:	shapenaji [ Mon Jan 30, 2012 9:15 am ]
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I guessed even, so you can start us off. Have a good game! (Malk comments are going to be odd here, but I have some strategies in mind here, life and death in a corridor is going to be the crazy part, where you can live either on the top or the bottom.)

Author:	shapenaji [ Mon Jan 30, 2012 9:21 am ]
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As an interesting side note, I think komi is probably less than 6.5, most territories will likely be considerably smaller here, so the absolute score will likely be lower. That being the case, proper komi is probably only like 3.5, but it shouldn't make a huge difference in this game.

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Author:	Numsgil [ Mon Jan 30, 2012 2:23 pm ]
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Hehe, I don't think the game will be decided by komi anyway (because I will crush you! ) ... Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm1 $$ -------------------------------------------- $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . , . . . . . . , . . . . . . 1 . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . - - - - - - - - - . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . - - - - - - - - - . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . - - - - - - - - - . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . - - - - - - - - - . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . , . . - - - - - - - - - . . , . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . - - - - - - - - - . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . - - - - - - - - - . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . - - - - - - - - - . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . - - - - - - - - - . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . , . . . . . . , . . . . . . , . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ --------------------------------------------[/go] As I said in my other game, I think any corner move is probably fine on a board like this.

Author:	shapenaji [ Mon Jan 30, 2012 3:12 pm ]
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Author:	Numsgil [ Mon Jan 30, 2012 3:28 pm ]
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Author:	perceval [ Mon Jan 30, 2012 4:00 pm ]
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i hava a dilemma... i really want to read the hidden, but the general considerations on the board shape would be an help for my own game, and numsgil cant read either hidden .. so i ll refrain from reading the hidden in this thread. After all, it is not unthinkable that the mere 12 stones or so of rank difference between shape and myself might,maybe, allow him to make slightly more informed deductions on the effect of the board shape on the game. on the othe hand not following this thread at all would be hard. i almost played as shapeandaji.. because the thickness doesnt help in the center.. but i wonder if here whats near the wall is not as good as territory ? So in the end i refrained from it, because. after all i can still wait for this invasion as i can make it later unless he spend a gote move reinforcing. Numsgil could have resisted by just taking another corner: he would still have a wall after shape plays again in the invaded corner, shape would have a bigger corner, but numsgil would have been the first in the next corner. Nums could also have tried for one of those vafiations that gives up a bigger corner for sente ?

Author:	shapenaji [ Mon Jan 30, 2012 4:20 pm ]
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Triggered and follow-up Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcm1 $$ -------------------------------------------- $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . W . . . . . X . X O . . \| $$ \| . . . , . . . . . . , . . . . . . X O . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . \| $$ \| . . . . . . - - - - - - - - - . . . X . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . - - - - - - - - - . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . - - - - - - - - - . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . - - - - - - - - - . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . , . . - - - - - - - - - . . , . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . - - - - - - - - - . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . - - - - - - - - - . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . - - - - - - - - - . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . - - - - - - - - - . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . , . . . . . . , . . . . . . , . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ --------------------------------------------[/go] It's actually almost easier to live here, which is why I don't value thickness as much, usually, you make a weak group and they can chase it and build something, in this case, they can't. Then you might ask "Well, yeah, but you've got nowhere to go, don't you just die? My suspicion is that, instead of having the ability to run out, you can either live on the top edge or the bottom edge, these will, in general, be miai, so it's going to be bloody hard to kill. That being the case, I'm playing a shinogi strategy, invade everywhere and win by komi (which as I said, is probably too much)

Author:	Numsgil [ Mon Jan 30, 2012 4:45 pm ]
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Author:	daniel_the_smith [ Mon Jan 30, 2012 4:48 pm ]
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IMO, is overconcentrated.

Author:	shapenaji [ Mon Jan 30, 2012 4:50 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Numsgil (3k) vs shapenaji (6d) - Donut Board
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm15 $$ -------------------------------------------- $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . X . X O . . \| $$ \| . . W , . . . . . . , . . . . . . X O . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . \| $$ \| . . . . . . - - - - - - - - - . . . X . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . - - - - - - - - - . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . - - - - - - - - - . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . - - - - - - - - - . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . , . . - - - - - - - - - . . , . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . - - - - - - - - - . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . - - - - - - - - - . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . - - - - - - - - - . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . - - - - - - - - - . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . , . . . . . . , . . . . . . , . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ --------------------------------------------[/go] Time to test my hypothesis, I want him to jump in and start fighting here, I've already said I don't like the 4x4, playing at "a" invites "b" which would settle things too nicely, expecting a pincer at "c" and then I'll do my tesuji-ninja thing Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm15 $$ -------------------------------------------- $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . \| $$ \| . . . a . . . c . O . X . . . X . X O . . \| $$ \| . . W , . . . . . . , . . . . . . X O . . \| $$ \| . . . b . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . \| $$ \| . . . . . . - - - - - - - - - . . . X . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . - - - - - - - - - . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . - - - - - - - - - . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . - - - - - - - - - . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . , . . - - - - - - - - - . . , . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . - - - - - - - - - . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . - - - - - - - - - . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . - - - - - - - - - . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . - - - - - - - - - . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . , . . . . . . , . . . . . . , . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ --------------------------------------------[/go]

Author:	speedchase [ Mon Jan 30, 2012 5:35 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Numsgil (3k) vs shapenaji (6d) - Donut Board
daniel_the_smith wrote: IMO, is overconcentrated. in a normal game, definitely, here it is so much easier to live anywhere, that making moves that would be normal in a regular game would be too small here

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Author:	Numsgil [ Mon Jan 30, 2012 5:45 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Numsgil (3k) vs shapenaji (6d) - Donut Board
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm17 $$ -------------------------------------------- $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . X . X O . . \| $$ \| . . O , . . . . . . , . . . . . . X O . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . \| $$ \| . . . . . . - - - - - - - - - . . . X . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . - - - - - - - - - . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . - - - - - - - - - . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . - - - - - - - - - . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . , . . - - - - - - - - - . . , . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . - - - - - - - - - . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . - - - - - - - - - . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . - - - - - - - - - . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . - - - - - - - - - . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . 1 . . . . . . , . . . . . . , . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ --------------------------------------------[/go] Fine... I'll just leave the top area for now.

Author:	speedchase [ Mon Jan 30, 2012 5:51 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Numsgil (3k) vs shapenaji (6d) - Donut Board
Is this a possibility? Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcm1 $$ -------------------------------------------- $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . X . X O . . \| $$ \| . . O , . . . . . . , . . . . . . X O . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 X O . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . X O . \| $$ \| . . . . . . - - - - - - - - - . . . X . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . - - - - - - - - - . . 3 . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . - - - - - - - - - . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . - - - - - - - - - . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . , . . - - - - - - - - - . . , . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . - - - - - - - - - . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . - - - - - - - - - . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . - - - - - - - - - . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . - - - - - - - - - . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . X . . . . . . , . . . . . . , . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ --------------------------------------------[/go]

Author:	shapenaji [ Mon Jan 30, 2012 5:52 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Numsgil (3k) vs shapenaji (6d) - Donut Board
Having studied it more, I'm more confident than ever that his pincer at "c" in the previous diagram just doesn't attack strongly Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm $$ -------------------------------------------- $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . 5 1 . O . X 9 . . X . X O . . \| $$ \| . . O , . . 3 2 4 . 8 6 7 . . . . X O . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . 0 . . . . . . . . . . . X O . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . \| $$ \| . . . . . . - - - - - - - - - . . . X . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . - - - - - - - - - . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . - - - - - - - - - . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . - - - - - - - - - . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . , . . - - - - - - - - - . . , . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . - - - - - - - - - . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . - - - - - - - - - . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . - - - - - - - - - . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . - - - - - - - - - . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . , . . . . . . , . . . . . . , . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ --------------------------------------------[/go] continued: Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm $$ -------------------------------------------- $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . X X . O . X X . . X . X O . . \| $$ \| . . O , . . X O O . O O X . . . . X O . . \| $$ \| . . . . . 1 O a . . . . . . . . . . X O . \| $$ \| . . . . . 2 b . . . . . . . . . . . X O . \| $$ \| . . . . . . - - - - - - - - - . . . X . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . - - - - - - - - - . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . - - - - - - - - - . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . - - - - - - - - - . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . , . . - - - - - - - - - . . , . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . - - - - - - - - - . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . - - - - - - - - - . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . - - - - - - - - - . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . - - - - - - - - - . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . , . . . . . . , . . . . . . , . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ --------------------------------------------[/go] Nifty huh? I live on the upper edge (treating my middle stone as a stone on the 4th line, rather than on the third line) and then the double hane. "a" would be typical if I was on a normal edge, but it doesn't work here. "b" is simply captured.

Author:	shapenaji [ Mon Jan 30, 2012 5:56 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Numsgil (3k) vs shapenaji (6d) - Donut Board
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcm18 $$ -------------------------------------------- $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . X . X O . . \| $$ \| . . O , . . . . . . , . . . . . . X O . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . \| $$ \| . . . . . . - - - - - - - - - . . . X . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . - - - - - - - - - . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . - - - - - - - - - . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . - - - - - - - - - . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . , . . - - - - - - - - - . . , . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . - - - - - - - - - . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . - - - - - - - - - . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . - - - - - - - - - . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . - - - - - - - - - . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . X . . . . . . , . . . . . . , . . . \| $$ \| . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ --------------------------------------------[/go] Keeping it consistent, I'll take sente here, and then need to decide depending on which way he builds his wall.

Author:	misshapenaji [ Mon Jan 30, 2012 7:02 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Numsgil (3k) vs shapenaji (6d) - Donut Board
Bwahahaha, how will you defeat... The both of us?