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Post #21 Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2015 6:07 pm 
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i generally teach aga without pass stones, and focus on territory scoring over area.

I would go as far to say that that's not even possible.
Perhaps the most significant feature of AGA rules, is... pass stones.

Without them, then you are only left with either Japanese/Korean or Chinese (depending on which scoring method you prefer).

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Post #22 Posted: Thu Dec 03, 2015 5:14 am 
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Hi,
I don't teach go, but I think I'd go for a presentation in three rules :
1-The rule of capture (chains, liberties)
2-The rule of repetition (positional superko)
3-The rule of scoring (area scoring)

Then, eventually converge towards the french rule (since I live in France), that is basically the same as AGA, but with a shorter official text.

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Post #23 Posted: Thu Dec 03, 2015 6:19 am 
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Pio, I suggest doing those in a different order:
1: Scoring
2: Capture
3 (for later) Ko.

By doing scoring first I emphasise that the aim of Go is to surround more territory than your opponent, not to capture more stones. This helps to avoid the common beginner disease of being obsessed with capturing stones. And Ko I don't even bother in the first lesson, it usually comes up naturally soon enough.


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Post #24 Posted: Thu Dec 03, 2015 9:26 am 
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To teach scoring before capture, if it's territory scoring, then how do you explain dead stones? If it's area scoring, how do you teach not to fill an eye needed for life? Or not approaching in a seki? Or why Black does not win on an odd board?

OTOH, if you start with the Capture Game, with no passes, territory scoring arises naturally. Despite its name, the capture game is really quite strategic, because it is so easy to make a living group. :)

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Post #25 Posted: Thu Dec 03, 2015 10:06 am 
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Simple: I don't explain dead stones initially. When I say do scoring first I do not mean teach all scoring rules to allow the beginner to fully score the game. I start simply, so construct a 2x3 area in the centre of the board and say "See here black has surrounded this empty space. Each empty intersection is one point so he would get 6 points for this area". Then do the same in a corner to explain how the edge of the board can be the territory boundary. Then onto the capture rule of capturing 1 and then 2 stones. As 6 is bigger than 1 and 2 that helps emphasise that most of your points come from territory.

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Post #26 Posted: Thu Dec 03, 2015 11:22 am 
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That is closer to what I would call teaching the object of the game. The object is to score more points than your opponent. You get one point for each point of territory and one point for each captured stone or dead stone. You can explain what that means later on. :)

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