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Offline xoxo88
 Post subject: Re: #241 : xoxo88 vs Loons
Post #121 Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2014 4:25 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm89 :w2: :b2:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O 2 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O O 1 . |
$$ | . . O , . . O . . , . X . X O X X X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . X . X O O O X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . X C 3 O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . O X . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X O O . X O . X . . . . . X X O O . |
$$ | . O . . . . O X . . . . . X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O 5 . . . X O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X O X . X . X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 4 . . . . X O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]
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Offline Loons
 Post subject: Re: #241 : xoxo88 vs Loons
Post #122 Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2014 7:10 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm89 :w3: :b2:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O 2 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O O 1 . |
$$ | . . O , . . O . . , . X . X O X X X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . X . X O O O X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . X 6 C O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . O X . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X O O . X O . X . . . . . X X O O . |
$$ | . O . . . . O X . . . . . X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O 5 . . . X O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X O X . X . X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 4 . . . . X O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

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Offline Uberdude
 Post subject: Re: #241 : xoxo88 vs Loons
Post #123 Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2014 8:28 pm 
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Later:

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[go]$$Bcm89 :w3: :b2:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O 2 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O O 1 . |
$$ | . . O , . . O . . , . X . X O X X X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . X . X O O O X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . X 6 C O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . O X . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X O O . X O . X . . . . . X X O O . |
$$ | . O . . . . O X . . . . . X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O 5 . . . X O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . 0 X X O X 9 X . X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 4 8 . . . X O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


I hadn't realised black had such a big problem here before the ko.

Edit: But maybe black can semeai?

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[go]$$Bcm89 :w3: :b2:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O 2 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O O 1 . |
$$ | . . O , . . O . . , . X . X O X X X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . X . X O O O X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . X . C O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . O X . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X O O . X O . X . . . . . X X O O . |
$$ | . O . . . . O X . 9 . . . X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O 5 . . . X O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X O X 8 X . X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . 7 . . . 4 6 . 0 . X O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


Last edited by Uberdude on Thu Sep 25, 2014 2:04 am, edited 1 time in total.
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Offline Loons
 Post subject: Re: #241 : xoxo88 vs Loons
Post #124 Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2014 8:35 pm 
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Of course now I have to fill the ko. I'm not sure precisely what the ko threat's going to be.

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Offline xoxo88
 Post subject: Re: #241 : xoxo88 vs Loons
Post #125 Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2014 1:38 am 
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[go]$$Bcm89 :w3: :b2:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O 2 . |
$$ | . . . . . . 7 . . . . . X X X O O 1 . |
$$ | . . O , . . O . . , . X . X O X X X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . X . X O O O X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . X 6 C O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . O X . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X O O . X O . X . . . . . X X O O . |
$$ | . O . . . . O X . . . . . X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O 5 . . . X O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X O X . X . X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 4 . . . . X O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]
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Offline xoxo88
 Post subject: Re: #241 : xoxo88 vs Loons
Post #126 Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2014 5:06 am 
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so the new plan is this:
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[go]$$Wcm1
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . 9 X 0 . . . . X X X O O X 1 |
$$ | . . O , . . O 8 . , . X . X O X X X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . X . X O O O X O 4 |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . X O 2 O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . O X . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X O O . X O . X . . . . . X X O O . |
$$ | . O . . . . O X 6 . . . . X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O X . . . X O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . 7 X X O X 5 X . X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O 3 . . . X O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


the only problem i see is that it seems to be too good for me, but what can white do to stop it? :O

if white plays on the top instead of defending the bottom hes gonna be in trouble (still he should i think the top is way bigger and its... gote again .-. anyway if the top is bigger he should maybe answer the ko thread or play a ko thread there to improve the potential of the top/middle):

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[go]$$Wcm1
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . X 1 . . . . X X X O O X O |
$$ | . . O , . . O . . , . X . X O X X X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . X . X O O O X . X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . X . X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . O X . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X O O . X O . X . . . . . X X O O . |
$$ | . O . . . . O X X . . . . X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O X . . . X O O O . . |
$$ | . . 3 2 . X X O 7 O X . X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . 5 4 . . . O O 6 8 . X O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


btw if i dont need sente i can safe the bottom like this, i think i didnt mentioned yet:

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[go]$$Wcm1
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . X X X O O X . |
$$ | . . O , . . O . . , . X . X O X X X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . X . X O O O X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . O X . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X O O . X O . X . . . . . X X O O . |
$$ | . O . . . . O X 4 . . . . X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O X . . . X O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . 7 X X O X 3 X . X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . 9 8 . . O 1 2 6 . X O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

:w5: connects the ko

and so on... its gote and worth maybe sth around 15-20 points? not enough for a ko thread.

edit: i just noticed he can simply fill the ko, its not a one step ko at all, i feel so stupid ^^ so back to the beginning tt
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Offline Mikebass14
 Post subject: Re: #241 : xoxo88 vs Loons
Post #127 Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2014 10:41 am 
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Why would white play at 1 instead of at 2 in the first diagram above? Doesn't he win the ko by playing at 2?
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Offline Uberdude
 Post subject: Re: #241 : xoxo88 vs Loons
Post #128 Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2014 11:32 am 
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2 is indeed better, it's a persistent hallucination of xoxo's

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Offline Loons
 Post subject: Re: #241 : xoxo88 vs Loons
Post #129 Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2014 12:14 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm89 :w3: :b2:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O 2 . |
$$ | . . . . . . 7 . . . . . X X X O O 1 . |
$$ | . . O , . . O . . , . X . X O X X X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . X . X O O O X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . X 6 8 O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . O X . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X O O . X O . X . . . . . X X O O . |
$$ | . O . . . . O X . . . . . X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O 5 . . . X O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X O X . X . X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 4 . . . . X O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

If I answered this ko threat, I would definitely lose the ko top right, so. I think I gained some points with 92.

Edit: I wonder how to use Q7? I would love for black to need to live on the right.

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Offline xoxo88
 Post subject: Re: #241 : xoxo88 vs Loons
Post #130 Posted: Fri Sep 26, 2014 12:24 am 
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[go]$$Bcm89 :w3: :b2:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O 2 . |
$$ | . . . . . . 7 . . . . . X X X O O 1 . |
$$ | . . O , . . O 9 . , . X . X O X X X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . X . X O O O X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . X 6 8 O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . O X . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X O O . X O . X . . . . . X X O O . |
$$ | . O . . . . O X . . . . . X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O 5 . . . X O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X O X . X . X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 4 . . . . X O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


well as alrdy stated, that was stupid as ..... ^^ prolly even game or small lead for white now...
just for you, to make it more interesting!
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Offline Joaz Banbeck
 Post subject: Re: #241 : xoxo88 vs Loons
Post #131 Posted: Fri Sep 26, 2014 2:49 am 
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[go]$$Bcm89 :w3: :b2:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O 2 . |
$$ | . . . . . . 7 . . . . . X X X O O 1 . |
$$ | . . O , . . O 9 . , . X . X O X X X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . X . X O O O X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . X 6 8 O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . O X . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X O O . X O . X . . . . . X X O O . |
$$ | . O . . . . O X . . . . . X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O 5 . . . X O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X O X . X . X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 4 . . . . X O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]
..


Black seems to be playing too close to his own strength.

I would have haned on the outside:

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[go]$$Bc :w3: :b2:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . B X X O O X . |
$$ | . . O , . 1 O . . , . B . X O X X X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . B . X O O O X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . X O O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . O X . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X O O . X O . X . . . . . X X O O . |
$$ | . O . . . . O X . . . . . X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O X . . . X O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X O X . X . X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . X O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

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Offline Uberdude
 Post subject: Re: #241 : xoxo88 vs Loons
Post #132 Posted: Fri Sep 26, 2014 3:40 am 
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I agree with Joaz (or maybe f17 nobi if some reading shows the outside hane has problems, but you certainly want to go that side)
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Post #133 Posted: Fri Sep 26, 2014 3:38 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm89 :w3: :b2:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O 2 . |
$$ | . . . . . . 7 . . . . . X X X O O 1 . |
$$ | . . O , . . O 9 . , . X . X O X X X . |
$$ | . . . O . . 0 . . . X . X O O O X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . X 6 8 O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . O X . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X O O . X O . X . . . . . X X O O . |
$$ | . O . . . . O X . . . . . X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O 5 . . . X O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X O X . X . X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 4 . . . . X O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

My count's about black-54, white-40, counting myself as having six points on the left half of the board. I am trying to take sente here
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[go]$$Wcm98 :w3: :b2:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . 2 X . . . . . X X X O O X . |
$$ | . . O , . . O X 4 , . X . X O X X X . |
$$ | . . . O . . 1 3 . . X . X O O O X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . X O O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |[/go]

I considered 98 @ 100, but it seemed a little flimsy. I should build a few points in the middle.

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Offline Joaz Banbeck
 Post subject: Re: #241 : xoxo88 vs Loons
Post #134 Posted: Fri Sep 26, 2014 5:40 pm 
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@Loons:
Did you consider 98 at F17? If so, why did you decide against it?

Also, how many points do you think you can get in the center?


@xoxo88:
Did you consider a hane on the other side? If so, why did you reject it?


@other observers:
Doesn't anyone appreciate corners any more? :scratch:

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Offline Uberdude
 Post subject: Re: #241 : xoxo88 vs Loons
Post #135 Posted: Fri Sep 26, 2014 6:10 pm 
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This is very strange shape when black extends at f17, white f17 was better.
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Offline Bill Spight
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Post #136 Posted: Fri Sep 26, 2014 6:43 pm 
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The Tsuke-Nobi Deferred.

;)

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Offline xoxo88
 Post subject: Re: #241 : xoxo88 vs Loons
Post #137 Posted: Sat Sep 27, 2014 2:10 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm99 :w3: :b2:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . 1 X . . . . . X X X O O X . |
$$ | . . O , . . O X . , . X . X O X X X . |
$$ | . . . O . . O . . . X . X O O O X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . X O O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . O X . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X O O . X O . X . . . . . X X O O . |
$$ | . O . . . . O X . . . . . X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O X . . . X O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X O X . X . X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . X O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


quite obvious, the nobi should be mistake actually


@Joaz
Actually no, i guess i should have, my strength should be of some more use... im still abit depressed how i couldnt realize the ko :O and lost some fighting spirit i guess
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Offline Loons
 Post subject: Re: #241 : xoxo88 vs Loons
Post #138 Posted: Sat Sep 27, 2014 3:54 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm99 :w3: :b2:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . 1 X . . . . . X X X O O X . |
$$ | . . O , . . O X . , . X . X O X X X . |
$$ | . . . O . . O 2 . . X . X O O O X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . X O O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . O X . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X O O . X O . X . . . . . X X O O . |
$$ | . O . . . . O X . . . . . X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O X . . . X O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X O X . X . X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . X O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

Black needs to add a move because
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[go]$$Bcm99 :w3: :b2:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . 1 X 5 . 6 . . X X X O O X . |
$$ | . . O , . . O X 4 , . X . X O X X X . |
$$ | . . . O . . O 2 . . X . X O O O X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . X O O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |[/go]

I hope to catch a few points in the centre in recompense, considering I have a lot of centre pointing stones.

@Joaz
I thought a little about it, but I preferred the game variation. In hindsight perhaps it was enough points to play that move.

I think I can catch enough points in the centre.

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 Post subject: Re: #241 : xoxo88 vs Loons
Post #139 Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2014 1:45 am 
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[go]$$Bcm99 :w3: :b2:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 7 . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . 1 X 5 . 6 . . X X X O O X . |
$$ | . . O , . . O X 4 , . X . X O X X X . |
$$ | . . . O . . O 2 . . X . X O O O X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . X O O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . O X . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X O O . X O . X . . . . . X X O O . |
$$ | . O . . . . O X . . . . . X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O X . . . X O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X O X . X . X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . 3 . . . O . . . . X O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


Lower left is so big I would seriously consider tenuki here. Black now has a chance to use his m16 thickness to tenuki without fear of either group dying rather than to make territory.

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Post #140 Posted: Sat Oct 04, 2014 11:01 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm99 :w3: :b2:
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . 1 X . . . . . X X X O O X . |
$$ | . . O , . . O X 3 , . X . X O X X X . |
$$ | . . . O . . O 2 . . X . X O O O X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . X O O O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . X O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . O X . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X O O . X O . X . . . . . X X O O . |
$$ | . O . . . . O X . . . . . X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X O X . . . X O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X X O X . X . X O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . X O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]
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