(;FF[4] CA[UTF-8] GM[1] GN[AGT + KataGo self-play - game 2] PC[https://online-go.com/review/432118] PB[AlphaGo Teach and KataGo] PW[AlphaGo Teach and KataGo] BR[9p] WR[9p] OT[Error: time control missing] RE[?] SZ[19] KM[7.5] RU[Chinese] ;B[qd] ;W[pp] ;B[dd] ;W[cp] ;B[nd] ;W[ep] ;B[qn] ;W[nq] ;B[pi] ;W[cf] ;B[fc] ;W[lc] ;B[ce] ;W[df] ;B[dj] ;W[dl] ;B[fj] ;W[hf]C[Is this even a real move? Can't black just jump in the middle? See variation to next move. ] (;B[ic] ;W[fd] ;B[gc] ;W[ed] ;B[ec] ;W[ch] ;B[ff]C[White 57 % (AlphaGo Teach) ] ;W[cc] ;B[de] ;W[ef] ;B[ee] ;W[fg] ;B[gf] ;W[gg] ;B[be] ;W[pc] ;B[pd] ;W[oc] ;B[qc] ;W[qb] ;B[ci] ;W[ei] ;B[ej] ;W[hi] ;B[bh] ;W[od] ;B[oe] ;W[ne] ;B[md] ;W[of] ;B[pe] ;W[ob] ;B[pf] ;W[mf] ;B[on] ;W[qo] ;B[rn] ;W[iq] ;B[ln] ;W[fl] ;B[dq] ;W[eq] ;B[dn] ;W[cn] ;B[mp] ;W[gk] ;B[dh] ;W[no] (;B[jp] ;W[mq] ;B[ip] ;W[nn] ;B[cm] ;W[dm] ;B[hq] ;W[pj] ;B[oj] ;W[pk] ;B[qi] ;W[ok] ;B[rk] ;W[rl] ;B[ql] ;W[rj] ;B[rm] ;W[qj] ;B[co] ;W[bn] ;B[dp] ;W[bo] ;B[do] ;W[cq] ;B[dr] ;W[gq] ;B[hr] ;W[go] ;B[fr] ;W[oi] ;B[og] ;W[pm] ;B[op] ;W[pn] ;B[ro] ;W[hp] ;B[jr] ;W[rq] ;B[nj] ;W[ni] ;B[mg] ;W[qk] ;B[oq] ;W[np] ;B[sl] ;W[sj] ;B[pl] ;W[oo] ;B[sk] ;W[mj] ;B[qm] ;W[gr] ;B[gs] ;W[eh] ;B[bf] ;W[er] ;B[es] ;W[fq] ;B[fs] ;W[cr] ;B[fn] ;W[gn] ;B[fo] ;W[gm] ;B[lr] ;W[cs] ;B[ds] ;W[lg] ;B[mh] ;W[lf] ;B[nf] ;W[lh] ;B[me] ;W[kb] ;B[jm] ;W[ph] ;B[ck] ;W[cl] ;B[bl] ;W[bm] ;B[qh] ;W[he] ;B[gd] ;W[qg] ;B[oh] ;W[rh] ;B[pg] ;W[ri] ;B[ph] ;W[kl] ;B[ns] ;W[or] ;B[rp] ;W[qq] ;B[rb] ;W[ra] ;B[pa] ;W[pb] ;B[kd] ;W[jb] ;B[cg] ;W[ko] ;B[lp] ;W[mi] ;B[jf] ;W[je] ;B[ke] ;W[kf] ;B[in] ;W[lo] ;B[kp] ;W[lq] ;B[qa] ;W[oa] ;B[jl]C[At this point, LZ-258 has black's winrate at 18%. Watch the numbers change over the next few moves (20,000 playouts per move). Variations are LZ's first choice move where this is different from the game. Remember that we're comparing LZ on 20k playouts with KataGo on a much larger number of playouts. Black 20 % according to KataGo at 14,463 playouts. ] ;W[kq]C[17% (LZ-258) ] ;B[jq]C[17% (LZ-258) ] ;W[km]C[16% (LZ-258) ] ;B[kn]C[16% (LZ-258) ] (;W[mo]C[27% (LZ-258) ] ;B[kk]C[28% (LZ-258) ] (;W[ll]C[28% (LZ-258) ] ;B[jg]C[30% (LZ-258) ] ;W[jo]C[30% (LZ-258) ] ;B[io]C[30% (LZ-258) ] ;W[jh]C[30% (LZ-258) ] ;B[ji]C[32% (LZ-258) ] (;W[kh]C[42% (LZ-258) ] (;B[kr]C[43% (LZ-258) ] ;W[jn]C[43$ (LZ-258) ] ;B[ik]C[46% (LZ-258) ] (;W[id]C[63% (LZ-258) ] (;B[eo]C[53% (LZ-258) ] (;W[gp]C[57% (LZ-258) ] (;B[eg]C[54% (LZ-258) ] ;W[hl]C[53% (LZ-258) ] ;B[im]C[54% (LZ-258) ] (;W[jj]C[63% (LZ-258) ] (;B[ij]C[63% (LZ-258) ] (;W[ii]C[74% (LZ-258) ] (;B[hg]C[72% (LZ-258) ] ;W[ig] (;B[lk]C[71% (LZ-258) ] ;W[ml]C[74% (LZ-258) ] (;B[ol]C[69% (LZ-258) ] ;W[nl]C[69% (LZ-258) ] (;B[ib]C[68% (LZ-258) ] ;W[rc]C[52% -- this is where either white gets back into the game, or LZ-258 realises what's been going on all along. KataGo also sees white at 52 % at 32,299 playouts. ] ;B[rd] ;W[sb] ;B[bk] ;W[qf] ;B[jd] ;W[ie] ;B[em] ;W[el] ;B[ja] ;W[ka] ;B[ia] ;W[jc] ;B[nh] ;W[hc] ;B[hb] ;W[hd] ;B[gb] ;W[mr] ;B[ms] ;W[hh] ;B[os] ;W[fm] ;B[jk] ;W[ki] ;B[gj] ;W[pr] ;B[om] ;W[sp] ;B[sf] ;W[sg] ;B[rf] ;W[rg] ;B[gi] ;W[gh] ;B[sd] ;W[am] ;B[po] ;W[ge] ;B[fe] ;W[pn] ;B[so] ;W[sq] ;B[ps] ;W[qs] ;B[mk] ;W[nk] ;B[qe] ;W[nc] ;B[mc] ;W[mb] ;B[nm] ;W[mm] ;B[sc] ;W[kc] ;B[ld] ;W[rb] ;B[hk] ;W[al] ;B[ak] ;W[kj] ;B[lj] ;W[en] ;B[fk] ;W[gl] ;B[em] ;W[dg] ;B[eg] ;W[en] ;B[di] ;W[fh] ;B[em] ;W[le] ;B[ne] ;W[en] ;B[qr] ;W[rr] ;B[em] ;W[ls] ;B[ks] ;W[en] ;B[lb] ;W[la] ;B[em] ;W[se] ;B[re] ;W[en] ;B[pm] ;W[po] ;B[em] ;W[nr] ;B[ls] ;W[en] ;B[ap] ;W[hj] ;B[hs] ;W[em] ;B[ar] ;W[bp] ;B[ao] ;W[aq] ;B[bq] ;W[li] ;B[dk] ;W[br] ;B[if] ;W[kg] ;B[rs] ;W[ss] ;B[ma] ;W[na]C[White 97 % (KataGo) ] )(;B[jd] ;W[ie] ;B[rg] ;W[rf] ;B[qf] ;W[rc] ;B[rd] ;W[sb] ;B[bk] ;W[ga] ;B[hb] ;W[ha] ;B[fa] ;W[ia] ;B[gb] ;W[sg] ;B[fh] ;W[gh] ;B[fi] ;W[re]C[KataGo thinks that 213. bK16 gives black 36 % winrate (-12 pp). ] ))(;B[om] ;W[mr] ;B[em] ;W[bk] ;B[po] ;W[pn] ;B[rg] ;W[rc] ;B[rd] ;W[sb]C[KataGo thinks that 211. bP7 gives black 20 % winrate (-28 pp). ] ))(;B[jd] ;W[ga] ;B[hb] ;W[ha] ;B[fa] ;W[ib] ;B[gb] ;W[kj] ;B[lk] ;W[ml] ;B[jk] ;W[ie] ;B[rg] ;W[ol] ;B[qa] ;W[bk] ;B[bj] ;W[al] ;B[ia] ;W[mb] ;B[sg] ;W[fi] ;B[lj] ;W[ki]C[KataGo thinks that 209. bK16 gives black 41.5 % winrate (-6.5 pp). ] ))(;B[lk] ;W[ml] ;B[om] ;W[qf] ;B[jd] ;W[ie] ;B[ib] ;W[ia] ;B[qa] ;W[mb] ;B[hb] ;W[re] ;B[rd] ;W[bk] ;B[bj] ;W[al] ;B[fh] ;W[gh] ;B[fi] ;W[sb] ;B[rc] ;W[nh]C[KataGo thinks that 207. bM9 gives black 40 % winrate (-10 pp). ] ))(;W[ib] ;B[lk] ;W[ml] ;B[hb] ;W[kj] ;B[jk] ;W[qf] ;B[ol] ;W[nl] ;B[jd] ;W[ie] ;B[qa] ;W[re] ;B[rd] ;W[jc] ;B[hc] ;W[sb] ;B[sa] ;W[sm] ;B[sn] ;W[ra] ;B[rf] ;W[rg] ;B[sa] ;W[ha] ;B[mb] ;W[mc] ;B[ia] ;W[ra] ;B[rc] ;W[nh] ;B[nc] ;W[nb] ;B[ma] ;W[la] ;B[ja] ;W[pa] ;B[sc] ;W[lb] ;B[sa] ;W[ka] ;B[ia] ;W[sb] ;B[ga]C[KataGo thinks that 206. wJ18 gives black 50 % winrate (+1.5 pp). ] ))(;B[jd] ;W[ie] ;B[ij] ;W[kj] ;B[ii] ;W[ih] ;B[ki] ;W[lj] ;B[jk] ;W[ib] ;B[hb] ;W[bk] ;B[bj] ;W[al]C[KataGo thinks that 205. bK16 gives black 30 % winrate (-12 pp). ] ))(;W[hb] ;B[ib] ;W[hc] ;B[jc] ;W[hd] ;B[jd] ;W[ie] ;B[lk] ;W[ml] ;B[ol] ;W[nl] ;B[gb] ;W[rc] ;B[bk] ;W[jj] ;B[ij] ;W[ii] ;B[rd] ;W[sb] ;B[rg] ;W[rf] ;B[qf] ;W[mr] ;B[em] ;W[el] ;B[fh] ;W[gh] ;B[fi] ;W[ki] ;B[jk] ;W[sg]C[KataGo thinks that 204. wH18 gives black 44 % winrate (+1 pp). ] ))(;B[jd] ;W[ie] ;B[mb] ;W[mc] ;B[qa] ;W[ib] ;B[hb] ;W[re] ;B[rd] ;W[jc] ;B[hc] ;W[ia] ;B[lk] ;W[ml] ;B[ol] ;W[nl] ;B[eg] ;W[qf] ;B[ii] ;W[ih] ;B[nc] ;W[nb] ;B[gi] ;W[nh] ;B[sa] ;W[bk] ;B[bj] ;W[al] ;B[ng] ;W[hh] ;B[om] ;W[fh] ;B[os] ;W[ps] ;B[mr] ;W[nr] ;B[ms] ;W[qr] ;B[po]C[KataGo thinks that 201. bK16 gives black 30 % winrate (-10 pp). ] ))(;W[hl] ;B[im] ;W[gp] ;B[eg] ;W[bk] ;B[bj] ;W[jj] ;B[lk] ;W[ml] ;B[ij] ;W[kj] ;B[jk] ;W[rc] ;B[om] ;W[hb] ;B[ib] ;W[hc] ;B[jc] ;W[hd] ;B[gb] ;W[ia] ;B[po] ;W[qf] ;B[rd] ;W[sb]C[KataGo thinks that 200. wH8 gives black 41.5 % winrate (+1.5 pp). ] ))(;B[jd] ;W[ie] ;B[qa] ;W[ib] ;B[hb] ;W[rf] ;B[re] ;W[jj] ;B[mb] ;W[mc] ;B[ia] ;W[ma] ;B[la] ;W[nb] ;B[na] ;W[jc] ;B[hc] ;W[ma] ;B[ij] ;W[ii] ;B[na]C[KataGo thinks that 199. bK16 gives black 24.5 % winrate (-8 pp). ] ))(;W[ga] ;B[ie] ;W[ea] ;B[fa] ;W[fb] ;B[gb] ;W[ia] ;B[eb] ;W[jj] ;B[kj] ;W[ig] ;B[qa] ;W[ij] ;B[jk] ;W[fa] ;B[da] ;W[ha] ;B[db] ;W[eg] ;B[mb] ;W[mc] ;B[ib]C[KataGo thinks that 198. wG19 gives black 52 % winrate (+ 21 pp). ] ))(;B[eo] ;W[gp] ;B[em] ;W[jn] ;B[ik] ;W[jd] ;B[el] ;W[gj] ;B[hl] ;W[fk] ;B[dk] ;W[cm] ;B[qa] ;W[jc]C[KataGo thinks that 195. bE5 gives black 24 % winrate (-7 pp). ] ))(;W[ih] ;B[ki] ;W[if] ;B[mb] ;W[mc] ;B[qa] ;W[kr] ;B[li] ;W[ig] ;B[lj] ;W[mk] ;B[ib] ;W[ik] ;B[jk] ;W[jj] ;B[il] ;W[ij] ;B[hl] ;W[hm] ;B[hk] ;W[hj] ;B[fm] ;W[gl] ;B[em] ;W[eo] ;B[en] ;W[gp] ;B[el]C[KataGo thinks that 194. wJ12 gives black 32 % winrate (+0.3 pp). ] ))(;W[jo] ;B[io] ;W[jn] ;B[ik] ;W[hl] ;B[im] ;W[ll] ;B[jg] ;W[ki] ;B[eo] ;W[gp] ;B[em] ;W[ie] ;B[mb] ;W[mc] ;B[qa] ;W[ib] ;B[hb] ;W[nb] ;B[ii] ;W[ih] ;B[hh] ;W[ij] ;B[hj] ;W[gi] ;B[jj] ;W[jh] ;B[gj] ;W[el] ;B[fi] ;W[gh] ;B[eg] ;W[kr] ;B[fh] ;W[hg] ;B[rg] ;W[js] ;B[is] ;W[ks] ;B[om] ;W[bk] ;B[bj] ;W[al]C[KataGo thinks that 188. wK5 gives black 22 % winrate (-2 pp). ] ))(;W[jk]C[KataGo doesn't give this move any playouts (out of 48,425). ] ))(;B[nn]C[LZ-258 rates this as -24pp ] ;W[mo] ;B[lo] ;W[mn] ;B[mm] ;W[lm] (;B[ml] ;W[lp] )(;B[np] ;W[oo]C[KataGo thinks that 67. bO6 gives black 31 % winrate (-14 pp). ] )))(;B[ff]C[-4pp according to LZ-258 ] ;W[fe] ;B[ge] ;W[gf] ;B[ee] ;W[fg] ;B[fd] ;W[ef]C[And now LZ-258 thinks black should tenuki. Apparently this is a pretty good result for white. I guess the D10 and F10 stones are weak now. ] (;B[fp] )(;B[mp] ;W[np] ;B[mn]C[KataGo thinks that 19. bF14 gives black 42 % winrate (-3 pp) at 72 playouts (out of 16,633). ] )))