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Old 2010-04-14, 08:30 PM   #21
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ill be honest, this does not look right. but my original idea was to build a wall toward the right and this does that without leaving cut points, and no ponnuki.

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Old 2010-04-14, 08:34 PM   #22
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More of the expected sequence.

Last edited by Perception; 2010-04-14 at 08:35 PM. Reason: Forgot to include the move number
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Old 2010-04-14, 08:47 PM   #23
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to me it looks slow and was thinking of tenuki, but after i think about it, W would be getting a huge corner if he gets a move around there. ill probably tenuki after one more move if he doesnt first
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Old 2010-04-14, 08:53 PM   #24
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I think that's the end of this sequence.



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I expect something around a or b next for his next move. Both are quite large. I would like to play something around a, b, or c, maybe even the enclosure at d. I'll have to wait and see what he plays first though.
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Old 2010-04-14, 08:57 PM   #25
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ok im fine with this. maybe can take advantage of cutting points later. if he plays again ill prob tenuki or extend along the bottom. see how im feeling...
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It's getting late so I'm going to sleep and I'll make my move in the morning. For now I'll post some of my thoughts. Tomorrow when I post my move I'll probably have more.

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Cool I even got to keep sente. Now I just need to figure out what I should do.



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This looks good for me he can get maybe 10 to 20 points from his position on the bottom left depending on how the rest of the game goes.



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I don't really like this result. I think the three space extension is too much.



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This could be okay, I think my stones at the bottom would be safe for now and his corner can still be invaded (same thing with 2 at a). b puts some pressure on his group to the left and increases my eyespace, that could be good for later.



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Approaching at 1 gets him a pincer that works well with his wall, I'd like to avoid that.




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Approaching from the other side doesn't really look any better for me. He can attach on top with a, pincer at b then use the fight to build along the bottom. He could just extend to one of the points marked c to begin with. I don't like any of those possible responses.



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I could go play the double approach at a or b. I'd need to get sente at the end so I could keep him from getting that extension from his wall at the bottom though. c and d he doesn't have to respond to at all. They are good points to take I think but I don't think it's the right time.




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It doesn't look like I need to defend that cut point so that's ruled out too.

Last edited by Perception; 2010-04-14 at 09:56 PM. Reason: don't need to put the move number, didn't make a move
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Old 2010-04-15, 03:01 AM   #27
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Its interesting comparing these games to the dan level games; in these games you often see totally standard sequences being rejected as being "bad", resulting in thoughts like "ugh, I totally regret my W2". Contrast that with something like Magicwand's : "I refuse to read!! This move feels right!"
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Its interesting comparing these games to the dan level games; in these games you often see totally standard sequences being rejected as being "bad", resulting in thoughts like "ugh, I totally regret my W2". Contrast that with something like Magicwand's : "I refuse to read!! This move feels right!"
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Old 2010-04-15, 08:30 AM   #29
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A 10k question, not for players

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If I were Black, I'd fear a W wedge on the bottom edge.

Wouldn't it better for B to play around L4 two moves earlier rather than pushing in the corner ?
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If I were Black, I'd fear a W wedge on the bottom edge.

Wouldn't it better for B to play around L4 two moves earlier rather than pushing in the corner ?
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Yea, Black really underestimated sente at this stage - which is one of the reason why that wedge is not standard, it lets black fix his connection in sente. I have similar ideas to you, but I'd play Q14 first:

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