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Old 2010-04-16, 04:22 PM   #71
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Move #47
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what i just played is a must move in my opinion.

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Old 2010-04-16, 04:28 PM   #72
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Move #46
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And the rainbows, sunshine, and butterflies are here! If I can make M4 too then that'll be puppies and kitties and twinkly stars as well.

If anybody is actually reading these comments, then I hope you aren't too offended. But honestly, when I'm playing go I do go a lot by looking for moves that make me happy and moves that make me sad.
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Old 2010-04-16, 04:32 PM   #73
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"what i just played is a must move in my opinion."

What is this? Is this really an upgrade from saying anything at all? If a player makes such a strong claim for a move he makes, he should at least give some kind of insight or explanation; even a sentence or two can suffice. Naturally, many observers will now ask themselves "Why?" in response to his commentary. Even if magicwand finds it hard to express in words, something like this is still much better:

"What I just played is a must-be-played move. I can't give a good explanation why since it's one of those "feeling" moves, but it's easier to see if you compare when Black plays there:


Move #46
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Now White will be forced to play 'a' and his shape looks clumsier. Black's group also has better access to outside and is less pressured."

That took 30 seconds.
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Old 2010-04-16, 04:49 PM   #74
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Move #49
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now i am trying to use the moyo i built and attck 2 stones. i decided to tenuki the corner approach because i dont know if i wanna pincer or not pincer. i will decide that after the viewing of the picture on its surrounding.
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Old 2010-04-16, 05:29 PM   #75
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Move #49
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This had to come sooner or later. First I want to keep C12/E12 from getting too weak. Then if necessary I'll deal with D9. I have so many good moves elsewhere on the board, wow I really want to tenuki, but I know I'll regret it if I do.

I'm guessing magicwand will either play C15, D13, or maybe even around C6. But my record of guessing what magicwand does hasn't been very good so far, so we'll see.
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Old 2010-04-16, 05:31 PM   #76
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Move #49
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Icky!

No rainbows, sunshine and butterflies for me here This feels like a panic move if ever I saw one?
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Old 2010-04-16, 05:44 PM   #77
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Move #47
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what i just played is a must move in my opinion.
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Honte.

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Earlier, B1 would have been honte, too. Although "a" may be objectively better because it threatens a ladder.

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Old 2010-04-16, 05:55 PM   #78
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I do not agree with wms' move here. He should pincer the lone stone and profit!


Here or B, and, if needed, follow-up with c or d.
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BTW - I'm not trying to only post when I see moves I think are bad, but it is easier to comment on such moves, and thus I am more likely to do so.
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Old 2010-04-19, 07:38 AM   #79
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Move #49
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i am sorry can not say too much about my move..
everything else seems bad and it seems only logical move for me.
i expect him to cut and i take the corner??
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Old 2010-04-19, 11:55 AM   #80
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Move #49
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Hey, I finally got one right!

And I always crosscut. Whether it works or not, it's a good time.
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