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Old 2009-11-06, 07:28 PM   #1
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Default kex and sumiyaka : Malkovich #4

Move 1

If I get stoned and sing all night long
it's a family tradition

-- Hank Williams Jr., Family Tradition


kex invited me to play a Malkovich game. I want to wish my opponent a great game!

Komi: 6.5



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I'm placing my first stone in the traditional corner from black's perspective.

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We have seen explanations about corner moves in the earlier games. I won't
dive into them here.

I will spill the beans about how I hope the next few moves go.

My hope is white will not prevent a diagonal fuseki. I prefer playing them
at the moment. I am not "better" at them than other games, I just find it an
interesting way to play.

So... this is what I want.




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White can frustrate this idea by taking the diagonal corner.
If that occurs I will choose between a, b, or c. It will depend largely on
what kind of mood I am in at the time of the move.



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Of course white could play somewhere I do not expect, but we will cross that
bridge if it happens.

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Old 2009-11-07, 01:58 AM   #2
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WOW! Another Malkovich game (Not trying to offend you in anyway). How many are there being played right now? Three?
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Old 2009-11-07, 01:58 AM   #3
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Default Move #2

Edit: I am currently about 4kyu KGS.

Have a nice game!



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I think there is not yet much to comment here. There are a huge number of obvious responses, but my problem here is I don't actually understand opening too much, so it is difficult to make a thorough analysis of these options.



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Of these, I dismiss immediately the 3-3 points: b, h, k. These are special - stable but low. Some day I should perhaps experiment with those, but perhaps first more casually in KGS, with no such audience

I also dismiss the opposing corner: i, j, l. Some people are afraid of diagonal fuseki. I am not; I have many other places in this game, where I fail, too. If my opponent wants a diagonal fuseki, so be it.

Another choice: Earlier, I played a lot of 4-4. I have played with 3-4 points much more lately, and my results with these opening points have gradually started to get better. Again, no real reason for my choice - just a random choice. So, let the points c and e go.

The remaining points:

a: the chosen one, is stronger towards the black stone

d: Of this, I am a bit wary. The reason is that although the black stone does not influence much towards the white stone, then my approach to the stone 1 becomes pincered and simultaneously the stone 5 seems to support the stone 3. Of course, I can again counter-pincer, and this would turn immediately to a mess with a lot of small groups, but I am unsure of the sanity of this approach.



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f: This one feels definitely playable: the stones are facing each other. I actually have not played like this, should try some time...

g: This one has a feeling that I give voluntarily black the possibility to approach from the direction black wants to approach from. So I prefer the other corner.




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Old 2009-11-07, 02:07 AM   #4
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WOW! Another Malkovich game (Not trying to offend you in anyway). How many are there being played right now? Three?
Sometimes some things are in fashion.
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Default Move 3

Move 3

Down on The corner, out in the street,
Willy and the Po' boys are playin';
Bring a nickel; tap your feet.

-- CCR, Down on the Corner





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I talked earlier how I wanted to try a diagonal game. With white being
on the 3-4 point I felt a little uncomfortable, usually when I play this
way white is on the 4-4. So, I looked at it a bit. What are some of the
things that could happen.

One way...


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We could end up to 8. If white encloses at one of the points marked a, black
has a good move somewhere on the bottom. If white finishes the joseki black
can play at one of the 'a' points. That doesn't seem so bad.

What else?

White could play 1 at a 3-4 point again. If we exchange shimaris around the
board black gets the opportunity to make the first large extension. That also
doesn't seem too bad, but perhaps a tad boring.

If white would approach at 'z' instead of 3 I'm not sure what response black
will make. Ideally, black wants sente to approach the top at 'a', black wants
a nice formation at the bottom to support the approach, and doesn't want to
let white be too too solid on the bottom. I'll be thinking that over a bit
between now and white's move.
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Spinning fuseki?




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OK. So black went for a diagonal opening.

The upper right corner stone projects a bit of influence towards the bottom stone. I want to counter with some of white influence.

The lower left black stone projects some influence towards the top white stone. If black wants to go against the possible white shimari on the top left, white can then approach the lower left corner having some back-up from the lower right corner.
This is the (shallow) reasoning for the chosen 4-4 stone.



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The top white stone should be able to withstand a tenuki, allowing the approach.


Another possible continuation scenario:



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where black would establish a moyo on the left, and white struggles for a place on the top.

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Old 2009-11-08, 09:22 AM   #10
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Move 5




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I thought about this while I was working my ankle over this morning.

White played the 4-4 point leaving only one unbalanced white corner. I have
2 choices of a corner enclosure. I have one area of the board I would like
to aim at... 'a'.

If I'm concerned about having "support" to approach the upper white
corner why not just create that support right now, instead of relying on
white's cooperation? The low enclosure was chosen because I don't want to
deal with a skirt-peep.

Like I mentioned I'm used to both of white's stones being on the 4-4 so
the choice of enclosure doesn't matter. Well, it does. I think it looks
prettier in the upper right. This is why I only considered the upper
enclosure last night. I need to learn to keep my eyes open and not play
from my past-experience so much.

White has a similar situation on the top, but white's corner isn't finished
yet... none-the-less I expect white to approach my upper corner next.
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