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Old 2010-03-30, 06:59 AM   #11
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So far, Black is winning.
i beg to differ....black only has 6 pt but komi is 6.5 so white is ahead! profound!!!


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Old 2010-03-30, 08:53 AM   #12
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The middle player always assesses first. So if the middle player changes that costs 2 prisoners, and the top player disagreeing again costs a further prisoner. If the top player and the lowest player had the same move it's a double disagreement = 3 prisoners. If all three players disagree it's 3 prisoners again, as it's the same as the top player agreeing with the lowest.
If the middle player accepts the move, can the stronger player then change it? How many points does he pay for doing so?
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Old 2010-03-30, 08:58 AM   #13
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If the middle player accepts the move, can the stronger player then change it? How many points does he pay for doing so?
4 ... which makes for an interesting strategic decision for that middle player
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Old 2010-03-30, 09:33 AM   #14
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Well, good luck to all of us~ I'm told that Violence gave his okay, so time for white.


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I never seem to know how to deal with 3-4 corners very well. I took the adjacent star because a knight's move enclosure would give him a good extension in this direction, and I don't want it to coordinate well with a black stone in this corner.



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There are all sorts of options, but this sort of thing is what I'd like to avoid. His top and bottom stones coordinate better, and I'm not okay with that. =)

I played a 4-4 (Almost played a 3-3) because it is balanced and can play in either direction depending on my needs. As white, I don't try to pick an opening in advance. I think it's more important to be able to respond based on what black does.

I'm sure he won't take the opposite corner (which tends to a fighting game, with less huge moyos) but if he does, I'll be happy. Lately, I've been playing a fighting-intensive style.

We'll see how this game goes. It feels like it's me against Gresil, who's a stone or two stronger and gets black. Intimidating, but at least I have backup to keep me out of too big of trouble. Instead of playing to win, I need to just try to play good moves, and worry more about being happy with my play than caring if I win.


Oh, a rules question: Since Malkovich rules are in effect, I assume that I can read no hidden comments unless I'm told I can. However, it seems to me like it would not be a problem if the higher-ranked players were allowed to read us grunts' hide tags. Since we won't be thinking of things deeper than ya'all, there might be no harm in it, and it would let you all better tailer your posts to what we've already said. Up to Joaz, was just curious about this.
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Old 2010-03-30, 09:45 AM   #15
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An observation: if I'm a stone or two stronger than Terr, fewer points will need to be spent fixing my mistakes than his. Is this "in the nature of the game" or should there be some sort of a handicap, eg. negative komi or higher expense for my side's big brother changes?
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Old 2010-03-30, 09:48 AM   #16
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An observation: if I'm a stone or two stronger than Terr, fewer points will need to be spent fixing my mistakes than his. Is this "in the nature of the game" or should there be some sort of a handicap, eg. negative komi or higher expense for my side's big brother changes?
So essentially, you get a bonus and cheaper advice for being stronger?

Edit: Oops, I misunderstood your statement. I think an even game is fine, since we don't really know how the average skill level will turn out. If it turns out the lower level player makes a big difference maybe normal handicap should be used in the future.
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Old 2010-03-30, 09:53 AM   #17
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So essentially, you get a bonus and cheaper advice for being stronger?

Edit: Oops, I misunderstood your statement. I think an even game is fine, since we don't really know how the average skill level will turn out. If it turns out the lower level player makes a big difference maybe normal handicap should be used in the future.

I misunderstood my statement as well. I meant to say double komi.
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Old 2010-03-30, 11:14 AM   #18
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I have seen many pro games that started out like this. As long as Terr is playing like a pro, I'm certainly not going to quibble. I hereby give my blessing to Terr's move and pass this on to Shapenaji.

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Oh, a rules question: Since Malkovich rules are in effect, I assume that I can read no hidden comments unless I'm told I can. However, it seems to me like it would not be a problem if the higher-ranked players were allowed to read us grunts' hide tags. Since we won't be thinking of things deeper than ya'all, there might be no harm in it, and it would let you all better tailer your posts to what we've already said. Up to Joaz, was just curious about this.
Seems perfectly reasonable. I figure that if I make a move and Shapenaji changes it, in the process of explaining why he changed it he would have to show a few moves into the future. And those moves would obviously be moves that had not occurred to me. For me to read them would be the equivalent of getting advice from a stronger player prior to making my next move.
In summary, yes, players can read down, not up.

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An observation: if I'm a stone or two stronger than Terr...?
But Shapenaji is a stone or two stronger than Violence. Topazg and I are approximately the same strength. In other words, black is slightly stronger at the bottom, we are equal in the middle, and white is slightly stronger at the top. I think that it sort of balances.
In theory, we should end up paying a few more stones but making slightly better moves overall, being slightly ahead on the board but a little behind in prisoners. ( As usual, this theory probably will not survive its first encounter with reality intact. We'll all learn something... )
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Old 2010-03-30, 01:54 PM   #19
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Pass.

(Probably going to pass my way for a bit)

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Though, in general, I prefer my star point facing the 3-4
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So far, I think black is ahead.



Magicwand - Does that mean a 4-4 is 9 points??? 3 points better than 3-4??
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