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Old 2010-04-05, 05:00 PM   #81
Joaz Banbeck
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Default Move #10B

After some consideration, I've got to move that stone. Even if it costs 2 or 3 points.



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B: 2 <-- newly added prisoners
W: 0

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Originally Posted by Bill Spight View Post
To Joaz:

I have been wondering if the price of correction is too small. As an observer, I think it would be more fun to see more corrections. What would be neat would be to see the same play get corrected twice.
You may get your wish. Oddly enough, I may make that happen deliberately.

Terr played a move that is neither fish nor fowl. It is not close enough to the upper left corner to threaten it, and it is not close enough to the pincer stone to really save it. He is trying to do two things at once ( not a bad idea ) but manages to do neither well.



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Black can split at 1, and the results are bad for us, I think. At least, the three black stones that are being threatened would get an eye after black plays B7 or C7. ( Black can play either now, but it is gote for him )

There are two ways to correct this:
1) Shorten it to a 2-space jump, either high or low, and keep the pressure on.
or
2) Tenuki to the big space up top that I have been wanting to invade since the third move of the game.

Let's consider both in some depth.

The argument for reinforcing : Gresil made a slack move for #9, and judging from the fact that both of his older brothers had to post twice, they are feeling some consternation about it. ( Why neither of them changed it is beyond me. )

The direction of play for black's two stones in the lower left is northward.

The most common way to do this is the counter-pincer like this:



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The second most common way to do this to strengthen the lower group in sente and then play the counter-pincer like this:



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( Yeah, I know, it is pushing the cart before the horse. But I have seen pros play it. I remember it precisely because it looked so contrary to proverb. )
But either way, I'm sure that one of the older brothers will make sure that the counter-pincer gets played if it is possible. Thus is the argument for the two-space extension


The argument for tenuking. I think that tenuki is a reasonable thing to consider. Our lower left group is safe, our left side stone is light and has room to run. The biggest space on the board is the oba up top, and I want to get there first.
Where to play up top? The if black attacks on the left side, the upper left can get big for black like this:



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So if I'm going to play up top, that will be prevented by this:



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That is the argument for correcting with tenuki.


In the end, the deciding factor is this diagram by Terr:



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After which he commented "This looks great." It does not look great to me. Black wants to make a shimari. After white 1, black is forced to make a shimari, just as he wants. Black gets more out of 2 then white does with 1.
If we approach the upper left black stone, it has to be from the east, not the south.
It worries me that even if I correct the extension from 3-space to 2-space, I'm going to have to correct a second time when Terr approaches the corner from the wrong direction.

There is a play in bridge known as the 'takeout double', in which a player makes a bid which he has no intention of being the final contract. He makes the bid just to relay information, knowing that his partner will change it. I'm going to borrow that strategy and adapt it to go.

I want to tell Terr the right way to approach the corner. So I am going to play E16. There is a good possibility that Shapenaji will correct me, and make a two-space extension. It only costs him one point to do so. Besides that, I'm not sure if the high extension or the low extension is best.

There is also the possibility that the tenuki is indeed the best play, or at least that Shapenaji will think it is. Then I have saved two points doing it before he has to.


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Old 2010-04-05, 11:40 PM   #82
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Ze plott, it tickens, yes?

I need to be off to work soon--just a quick jot of what I'm thinking of:

(safe to read!)
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Is Joaz treating the pincer stone lightly? I don't know if Terr will be able to follow his train of thought; I know I'm not...

My knee-jerk response would of course be


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Normally I prefer the one-space extension but here I think the extra space is particularly appropriate.

Taking a step up to a more general level, my preoccupation is of what'll happen if I play (semi-)tenuki and let the corner transpose into a 4-5 sequence. Something tells me that white would play the outside contact.



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What choice of B1 will most lucratively render this line unplayable? That's the question for my next move, assuming Shapenaji approves Joaz's. I'm very happy to stumble on such a cleanly articulated problem to solve, even if it turns out it's the wrong problem.


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Old 2010-04-05, 11:43 PM   #83
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Woohoo, the prediction I made at post 77 in this thread was correct! (safe to read now)
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Haha, wow, well done. Who's going to win? What will the spread be? Which stone will win the MVP trophy?
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I approve Joaz's move,

however, I wonder if it should happen that I think Terr's move is actually worth pursuing, if I switch it back, can we get some of the prisoners withdrawn?
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Old 2010-04-06, 01:27 AM   #86
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however, I wonder if it should happen that I think Terr's move is actually worth pursuing, if I switch it back, can we get some of the prisoners withdrawn?
The rules state that for the top player to override the second player's change costs one extra point. I think that covers it.

You'll have to wait until I get home for the next move, and that's several hours away.
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Old 2010-04-06, 02:01 AM   #87
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I think that I may have accidentally made a good move.

One of the things that I have been thinking about is how we might split the left side. Maybe like this:



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Or this:



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It seems that for every white play, black has a decent response. Which is not surprising because white has to choose first. But what if black has to commit himself first? This, inadvertently, is what my most recent move provokes.

When black has to make the first move on the side, it is very easy for black to make the wrong extension, as in this diagram:



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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , 1 . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 3 . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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...in which 2 is not far enough, so 4 has to be added, but now black is overconcentrated.

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Old 2010-04-06, 03:15 AM   #88
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Note to Violence, it was decided that older brother's can read their younger Brother's hide tags. In this case, you can read everything Topazg and Gresil have posted
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Old 2010-04-06, 10:09 AM   #89
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , O . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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B: 2
W: 0

I like this game so far.

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This move can hardly be wrong. I thought long about whether to extend one or two spaces.



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$$ | . 3 2 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , O . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 5 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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This I think I can do, but...



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$$ | . 3 2 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , O . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . a . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 5 , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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...I'm not convinced that I can omit a here. Or that's what I thought first and almost settled on the one-space extension.

But I think that leaving the corner undone doesn't bring any real advantage. On the contrary, leaving the corner weak like that will give the white top left group extra safety and I won't be able to threaten it later from the other side, which I might get a chance to do. If extending two spaces and omitting a isn't useful, then playing a one-space extension to lessen the impact of the weak point won't be useful either. And then there's the plain fact that the two-space extension has more constraining influence on white's lower left stone. Thus I chose the two-space extension with no skimping on solidity:



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$$ | . 3 2 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , O . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . 5 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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I have rather little idea of what white might intend next. I have three hypotheses: (from most to least likely)
  • Extend along the top, which would induce me to enclose the top right, which in turn would induce a white extension midway up the right side.
  • Make a raw approach on the top right. I'll wedge if he does that.
  • Extend lightly from his lone stone on the lower left.



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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , O . 1 . a , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 3 . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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This pincer is the third option I considered; but I ruled it out quickly as I'm frightened of white a. I didn't consider the low one-space pincer because I don't know the responses and can't be sure it won't backfire, and I passed over the two-space pincers because they're remote enough to allow the outside attachment.

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Old 2010-04-06, 10:20 AM   #90
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I'm all Malkovich'd out with my game against Fwiffo today, but I'll get back to this one tonight hopefully

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I wouldn't have chosen to correct the last one, even though I suspect that it may have been 2 points worse than the joseki I had chosen, because it's hard to explain exactly why I don't like it, other than it doesn't seem to be doing enough of anything. Just to undermine my opponent feels against the spirit of BB, unless I can give a pretty good explanation of why my move is better and what I'd do to follow it up.

However, this one I feel more strongly about. This one really does feel like it's going to get punished. It's too easy for White to abuse that corner position, and it doesn't put anywhere near enough pressure on the side White stone - it's kind of caught in the middle, and does neither thing well enough. That side, I'm not sure what I'd do instead, but at 2 points I'm going to pick something I prefer. Violence can always move it again for 1 extra point
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