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Old 2010-04-14, 09:31 AM   #201
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Default Move #20A

Heh, thanks for that, Violence. Made me smile to see the reference, first thing in the morning.



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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X W O . . X . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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B:5
W:11

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I had originally shown this diagram:



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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 6 X 5 O . . X . . . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . X O 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 3 1 X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 7 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 9 8 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
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However, I've been looking at it, and I think black will just connect. I don't particularly want that, so I'm going to block that with the atari, first. Either black will force us to capture, which isn't too bad (stabilizes us a bit, at least) or the diagram will transpose into the original one. Let's see what they go with.


...Does that make shapenaji Miles Edgeworth? Then who's Gumshoe? =D

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Old 2010-04-14, 10:24 AM   #202
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Old 2010-04-14, 10:28 AM   #203
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Can somebody translate for us non-anime (or whatever that is) people?
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Old 2010-04-14, 10:44 AM   #204
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Game boy games about lawyers. While I've never actually played them myself (shame on me), my girlfriend and most of my friends have been. Makes me imagine everyone involved in the game in courtroom roles. Want to be the bailiff?

...I'm too easily amused =)
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Old 2010-04-14, 10:56 AM   #205
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It's a series of GBA/DS games known as the Ace Attorney Series, in America, and the Gyakuten Saiban(Comeback/Reversal Judgment). They're games in which you play a lawyer in a story where you have to try and either defend your client(who is always innocent, with some ridiculous, extenuating circumstance as to how they came to be convicted), or convict the guilty party, and the story is always pretty awesome. The twists and turns keep you guessing as you finally piece together what actually happened, as you gather evidence and information.

I'd definitely recommend the series. The first 3 games are from the point of view of the main character defense attorney, Phoenix Wright; the fourth game is from the point of view of defense attorney Apollo Justice; while the fifth game is from the point of view of prosecuting attorney Miles Edgeworth(my favorite of the series).

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Old 2010-04-14, 11:14 AM   #206
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heh, I just thought it was awesome that a move got changed back!
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Old 2010-04-14, 11:16 AM   #207
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Quote:


Show Diagram Code[go]$$Bc
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , O . . X . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . X O B . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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B:5
W:11
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Eh what? Really? Hold on ...



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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 8 6 7 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 2 X 1 O . . X . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . X O B . . b . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . a . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 3 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 5 9 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
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Show Diagram Code[go]$$Wc
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | 8 7 9 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 2 X 1 O . . X . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . X O B . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 3 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 5 6 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 0 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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Sheesh, this is complicated, I'm going to have to think about this if this is where we're going. I didn't know this was playable :S

Edit:Ok, top one looks like the line, and I've added an "a" and a "b" at what must be the next play I think. I guess we'll see when we get there.
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Old 2010-04-14, 11:46 AM   #208
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Violence, I applaud you for bringing the game to this interesting position. Even the "B" players are gonna learn something, I think. Truly awesome.
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Old 2010-04-14, 12:33 PM   #209
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heh, I just thought it was awesome that a move got changed back!
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Letting black connect would be a disaster for us. There is no point in reading further. It must be done.

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Old 2010-04-14, 01:36 PM   #210
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Sustained, mr. Chibi-Matlock.

Hidden Section:

I decided to look at B16 as well as the sequence I showed earlier.



Show Diagram Code[go]$$Bc
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 5 3 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 1 X O O . . X . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 2 O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------
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I can't tell whether black lives in the corner. White can in principle reduce the eyespace into deadness, but he's low on liberties, there may be a semeai with a ko at C19. Of course reading it all out or evaluating it is way over my head. I'll grant that it would be fun to have a big ko in this game.



Show Diagram Code[go]$$Bc
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 7 5 6 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 1 X O O . . X . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 2 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------
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If white extends instead of turning, it looks like black won't immediately die anywhere but he will get cut up into acutely weak groups as D7 wakes up. Then again, white has a problem at the top too.

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