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Old 2009-11-12, 11:56 PM   #21
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Default Re: Move 13

Isn't Black K17 Move 13, not Move 11?

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Old 2009-11-13, 09:36 AM   #22
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Originally Posted by EdLee
Isn't Black K17 Move 13, not Move 11?
Hmm, That boo-boo was caused by the trigger. Let me fix the post.
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Old 2009-11-13, 10:14 AM   #23
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Hmm... I feel a bit relieved, although I don't know if it is warranted.




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Since black did not play at a or b, I think I can make eyes in the corner, although in gote. So it is time to think more. What I want (as somehow stated in the last post) is to get to a running battle with the center group (formed by the black's pincer and the last move). That could create something real in front of the shimari, although there is the danger of the black's right side growing more...

So, I'll lean on the black's right side first, expecting black to get pushed back once, and then I can make an extension from the corner enclosure. Now what if black tenukies again?



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I think white 4 is something black tries to avoid - at least I would

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Old 2009-11-14, 12:20 PM   #24
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Move 15

Lean on me, when you're not strong
And I'll be your friend
I'll help you carry on
For it won't be long
'Til I'm gonna need
Somebody to lean on
---Lean on Me, Bill Withers



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Cheesy wedding song lyrics aside, I don't think white is that weak over here, considering it is white's sente. I'll let my stones be pushed on the 4th line. The power white could be building isn't a large enough threat to my topside stones to worry about yet.

I feel black now has more options on how to handle the cut at 'a' that must come soon. Otherwise black at 'c' strips white of a base (white could also take 'c' instead of cutting, but that is boring). Extending starts to make a black move around 'b' very interesting.

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Old 2009-11-14, 12:58 PM   #25
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I mentioned this in the previous post. Now the crucial thing is how to try to keep black cut and not give black too much on the right side...
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Old 2009-11-14, 11:47 PM   #26
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Ok for the players to read this after the upper right is settled.

"I'm so glad I found my way
It's good to be where I belong."

--- Shelter of your eyes, Don Williams


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I liked the 2-2 point for white instead. If black ignores, white rips out black's eye space on the side and gets his own eye space in the corner.



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Or if black replies, white then takes H17, and is in the game position but in addition has the S18/S16 exchange in his favor.



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Old 2009-11-15, 09:07 PM   #27
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Move 17

Sometimes we don't see eye to eye
But I don't ask too many questions why
Sometimes we don't see eye to eye
But I don't ask too many questions why

-- Eye To Eye, Just Jack

(Glad to see other's having fun with the songs...)



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This move took me a while for a few reasons. First I'm trying to choose bits for a computer. More importantly white's move shows me my opponent and I aren't looking at the board the same. This usually makes me question my own evaluation.

I chose to stick with my own feelings and play here. The move feels kinda like a swiss-army knife. It grabs and secures territory. It steal away an easy base and probably easy life for white (note I said easy, I don't expect white's group to die). The cut at 'a' is now protected.

Perhaps white expected me to jump out with one of the 'b' points. I think those are reasonable things for black to do, but doesn't seem as good. White can try to seal me in, but has no real attack on my stones as long as the slide to 'c' is open.

The move at 'd' is still available, and white now has a weak group.

At least this is how I see things now. But like I said, when my opponent and I don't see eye-to-eye on whats important I get nervous.

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Old 2009-11-16, 02:15 PM   #28
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My view here is that now black strengthened the stronger group. I don't see any way for black to connect under, although there could be some tesuji to be found.

So, making this nose shape should strengthen considerably my possibilities of running to the centre, while pressuring the black group on the upper side a little.

Now, if I am allowed to dream a bit more, I hope to get something from the upper left corner... (this is gote now, but perhaps there is some later attacking potential against the black group)



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Old 2009-11-16, 10:18 PM   #29
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No move today due to Ravens (hopefully) beating the Browns.
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Old 2009-11-17, 01:13 PM   #30
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No move today due to Ravens (hopefully) beating the Browns.
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