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Old 2010-04-05, 03:17 PM   #81
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Now stand in the place where you work
Now face West
Think about the place where you live
Wonder why you haven't before
R.E.M - Stand





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Adding more thoughts.
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First off, I love surprises. Which is why I play. White chooses a move I never would play. Mostly because I die horrible deaths when I try. I think white could work to reduce in other ways on the right.... but black's local options as I see them are marked in letters. (in the order I will consider them.)

The marked stones in the diagram also appears interesting.... white either gets sliced and diced, or running. Both options seem bad. One of those spots could be fun.

What I choose ultimately will be based on a count, how weak I think I can make the top group, and or how easy I think it is to make a profit from white's attachment. Ultimately I'd like to hurt the probe-stone and the top group.

Or soft-punch at the probe, and then turn my attention to the top.

In either event, I don't want to commit the game to a big fight if I don't have to. If I'm behind, heck yeah, let the fireworks start.

Time to go back to work and let this sit in my mind...



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$$ | . . . . X . O . . O . . . . . . c . . |
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So, some analysis...
Points first:
Black: 10 lower left corner.
5-10 left side.
5 group at the top
Assume white lives...
4-10 points in the lower right corner/side
12? points on the right side.
36-47 points

White: 20 points in the upper right
16 points in the bottom
5 points group at the top
6.5 points komi
-5 - -10 points weak group penalty.
37.5 - 42.5 (47.5 with no penalties)

Hmm, still feels even. Okay, so my plan shouldn't involve fighting for the heck of it. Also, as noted in a few books, just because you think you have read out a way to do something doesn't mean you have to jump on it right away. If the moves in the top work for black, white needs to take gote to fix them. I should be happy about that.

'c' is a big move point wise, but will it be sente? I need it to be. If white plays 'c' it is gote for him, so I will leave it be for now. If my bottom two stones face danger, though, I must take it. If white doesn't respond to 'c', I suppose it makes an invasion on the bottom side (N3) more interesting.

I'm stronger in this part of the board so I don't want to play the hane at 'b'. It gives white the chance to crosscut, and generally make things complicated.

'f' and 'e' feel wrong, although I can't say much bad about them. This leaves 'a'.

I like 'a'. It does a few things. It hurts white's stone directly. It adds ammunition to any fight that can brought to bear against white's top group. It doesn't leave the option for white to complicate this area too much. It also seems to take a small profit, converting some potential to territory.

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Old 2010-04-05, 08:45 PM   #82
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Hmm, editing doesn't bump... so if people are watching for new posts.

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Old 2010-04-07, 09:54 AM   #83
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no move today, just a short status update: Norovirus
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Old 2010-04-07, 09:58 AM   #84
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This invasion would be more effective if white took the 3-3 point instead of that strange extension on the left. As it is, White has no way to pressure black on either side, and a follow up is hard to find. I have a feeling he will just end up solidifying the Black right. If that happens and Black somehow manages to get the 3-3, prospects look grim for White.
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Old 2010-04-08, 10:13 AM   #85
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Feeling alive again. (in the real world )




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OK. So black made a strong move for strengthening the upper part of the moyo.

Now possibilities:


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The idea of "a" is to "hit the head of two" before fleeing out. If black does not block, white dives under to the upper side, something like:



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Black gets a wall, but loses a lot of territory. So black is not going to play this way.

If black does not know what to do - starts by blocking the outside but then reconsiders, white can then threaten to come out, while keeping "a" as a reserve:



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$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , a 4 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X 1 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 O . . |
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Black is most likely going to respond by blocking, leaving the "a" and "b" still to use:



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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X 1 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . a O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . b . . . |
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The reason for 1 would then be that "c" may later become possible as a reduction move against the upper part of the moyo, as it threatens the cut - or alternatively, white may get sente elsewhere.

So here the move.

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Old 2010-04-09, 08:42 PM   #86
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Do you know what's worth fighting for
When it's not worth dying for?
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First, I need to assess what white wants. I think the best outcome for white here is to draw me into a fight, just to do it. For me, a fight here is like fighting in my house. Even if I win, I could have a large repair bill.

My move does a few things. Now white can't really attack any my stones. All he gains in here is points. Also, his stones on the right don't exactly look healthy anyway. He still has a fight. This also starts to make N3, which, if the "standard" sequence is followed is just 'almost' peachy by me. Its still not perfect black. White can try resist.



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$$ | . . X , . . . . . , 3 2 5 O . O . X . |
$$ | . . . . X . O . . O 4 1 9 7 . . B . . |
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But there is also this kind of followup... for black at 'z'. Its simpler, opens up the invasion point as completely in my favor, and seems worse than any single move white can do on the right.

In any event, if white really wants to live on the side, that is fine by me, as long as I get my second move on the bottom, solid points out of it, and maybe sente I think I want too much.



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$$ | . . . . X . O . . O . . . . . . B . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . z . . . . |
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This also fits how I currently play. I don't mind fighting, but if my opponent has clearly struggling stones, I try to figure out how I can get as much benefit elsewhere from it I can. Sometimes its directly attacking them, sometimes its attacking them merely by making my own stones stronger. Sometimes its taking big moves. I know I can hold the benefit of a big move. Going after a complicated fight may have a better benefit. But its also easier to lose completely. Its like a blue chip stock vs a biotech with only 3 million bucks left in the bank and an FDA decision due in 3 months.

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Old 2010-04-10, 07:36 AM   #87
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Glad you're feeling better Kex
Thanks!

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And what is even better - gamewise, is that after a long time of drought, black's last move made me feel more like back in the game again

Of course, it can be just an illusion, but I want to savour this moment for a while.

Let's first analyse this move. At first, it seems to be a move aiming at extending black's area and reducing white's on the bottom. But considering the white stones in the middle that still have two options - fleeing out or trying to live in - the situation changes a bit. If white flees out, black is cut in two and black needs to live in the corner. But how does this move work?

The amount of territory in the corner for black is at most the "L" if black wants to get out there in sente to attack the white stones in the middle:


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$$ | . . . O . . O O . X . . X X . O O X . |
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$$ | . . O . . . . . . X X . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O . O . X X . . . |
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$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , . B . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . W O . . |
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$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . O . O B B . |
$$ | . . . . X . O . . O . . . . . W B . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . W B . . |
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Black can live easily at the bottom, but then white has succeeded in the invasion/reduction in the centre.

If white tenuki, then black can slide under, but then white can sacrifice and give a big corner. The result must be better for white (a daydreaming contiunation) :


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$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , . 1 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . a . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 9 X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7 8 0 . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . O 6 O . X . |
$$ | . . . . X . O . . O . . . 5 4 . B . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 2 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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If black tries to connect from up, after this, white should have time to live - and come back again to protect the lower side (the 6-7 exchange does not help black, so it probably would not happen):


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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . O . . O O . X . . X X . O O X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . X . , . . O . O . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X X . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O . O . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , . 1 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 O 7 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 3 6 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X 5 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 8 . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . O . O . X . |
$$ | . . . . X . O . . O . . . . . 9 B . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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Actually, white does not seem to be alive, but there is probably enough aji to make enough eye-space. But analyzing that further would be cheating (I have no skill of reading that deep without drawing these diagrams in between, then continuing further)


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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . O . . O O . X . . X X . O O X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . X . , . . O . O . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X X . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O . O . X X . 5 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X 2 |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O 1 |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . 3 |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . O . O . X . |
$$ | . . . . X . O . . O . . . . . O B . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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Have to pause now, but I'll probably make my move still today.

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Old 2010-04-10, 10:05 AM   #89
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . O . . O O . X . . X X . O O X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . X . , . . O . O . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X X . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O . O . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , . W . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . O . O . X . |
$$ | . . . . X . O . . O . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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more thoughts:

So: why just extending up, instead of the one-space jump in the previous post. The reason is that white is now one move ahead locally. And this means it becomes a bit more difficult for black to seal white in, too, in case black plays first elsewhere. For example:


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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . O . . O O . X . . X X . O O X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . X . , . . O . O . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X X . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O . O . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 8 . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . 6 , . 1 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7 5 X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 3 O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 9 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . O . O . X . |
$$ | . . . . X . O . . O . . . . . . B . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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And then the final consideration. What if black splits white on the bottom instead, when white tenukis?




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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . O . . O O . X . . X X . O O X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . X . , . . O . O . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X X . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O . O . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , . 1 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 4 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . O . O . X . |
$$ | . . . . X . O . . O . 2 . . . 3 B . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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Suddenly, there are four or five weakish groups near each other.
That should be interesting

Luckily for white, the two black stones between white are not super strong, so white can possibly jiggle, trying to connect the two groups, sealing black to the corner.

I'll try my chances with this move, then, as it seems to gain more by destruction of black's area than black takes in the corner.
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Old 2010-04-10, 11:00 AM   #90
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Money, it's a gas
Grab that cash with both hands
And make a stash
Pink Floyd, Money



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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . O . . O O . X . . X X . O O X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . X . , . . O . O . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X X . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O . O . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . B . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . O . O . X . |
$$ | . . . . X . O . . O . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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I'm still not interested in a fight here, but white really wants to force one. Depending on how things look I might let marked stones go IF I can find better benefit. I'm not strong enough to give my opponents whatever they want and still win, but I really admire those who can!

This move bolts down some cash, and puts pressure on the white group.

Also anyone confused by my last few comments, of course the coordinates are M3 not N3 for the invasion point.

I may give up the marked black stones if I feel the situation warrants it. It depends though. If white leaves my invasion option open I may try that. It feels like a much bigger points swing. However, then I need to make sure he doesn't gain a lot in the center.



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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . O . . O O . X . . X X . O O X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . X . , . . O . O . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X X . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O . O . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . B B O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . O . O . X . |
$$ | . . . . X . O . . O . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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