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Old 2010-04-15, 09:19 AM   #31
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I've decided that I need a to play here before he does and I think this is the closest that I can safely play to his wall.



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Later I want to play around a, b, c, or d.



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If I tenuki and he makes the extension I'm not entirely sure how to go about reducing. a seems like the only option for invasion. I can't play at b, that would almost definitely fail.


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This would be terrible for me. He'd build on both sides and I'd live with only a few points.


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If he were to play like this I could possibly play 9 now that I have the group to the right for support.


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I could probably escape but it wouldn't be a good result for me, at this time.

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Old 2010-04-15, 10:02 AM   #32
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If I were Black, I'd fear a W wedge on the bottom edge.

Wouldn't it better for B to play around L4 two moves earlier rather than pushing in the corner ?
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Yeah, if you're going to build a wall like that you want to make sure you:

a) End in sente so you can make an extension.
b) Already have an extension in place before you build the wall.
c) Option b is better, but getting both is ideal.

A wall's value is easily nullified if your opponent can plant an easily settled group in front of it.
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Old 2010-04-15, 10:12 AM   #33
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Yeah, if you're going to build a wall like that you want to make sure you:

a) End in sente so you can make an extension.
b) Already have an extension in place before you build the wall.
c) Option b is better, but getting both is ideal.

A wall's value is easily nullified if your opponent can plant an easily settled group in front of it.
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Not to mention, Black has to now choose between approaching from the wall (bad), or face with the threat of White slide at E2 at some point if he approaches from the right side.
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Old 2010-04-15, 11:35 AM   #34
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Not to mention, Black has to now choose between approaching from the wall (bad), or face with the threat of White slide at E2 at some point if he approaches from the right side.
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Is the cap (K5) conceivable for B ? (Takemiya powaa)
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Old 2010-04-15, 11:53 AM   #35
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kinda expected this. plan to push into thickness then attack if he makes base. even if he runs to center, dont think my group is in danger
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I thought that it is better for black to play the double hane at B1.



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Old 2010-04-15, 12:51 PM   #37
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I expected that. I played far enough from his wall that I could still make the two space extension.



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a, b, c are ways that I can continue after this I think.


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I think he'll defend at one of the marked points if I play 1 so it's a good way to increase my eye space and stabilize my group more.



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If I jump in at 1 here later he can play a because if I play b he can play at d. If he plays at b I can jump into the corner at c but I don't really like the result I get there either. There's not much I can do there so I'll have to leave it for later and take one of the other points that I was looking at earlier.

First I need to see what he does now that I have the two space extension.

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I don't really like the way the game is going right now. I feel like he has the advantage but that's probably my fault because I let him have 3 of the four corners. Hopefully I can turn it around as the game progresses.
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Old 2010-04-15, 01:38 PM   #38
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There is a lot of "fear" in this game. Look through the comments.


As I count "mistakes" in the game (i.e. looking at it as if I were playing a handicap game), white and black should be fairly even. I count 1 mistake a piece. Although I think black giving up sente was a bit more costly than white wedging in.

The fear we are hearing is unfounded. Be brave guys! (although they can't read this... )
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ok he made the base, so ill try to make a wall now. i chose this side because i think itd be more solid and that left group can fend on its own if worse comes to worse, in my opinion.
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Not really much choice here. I can't let him split me.
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