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Old 2010-03-13, 03:07 PM   #51
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Is it just me, or have these guys been eating too much tofu? Both are shying away from fighting, even when they can get the better position.

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I actually like the last diagram the most, simply because black can jump into the corner easily. I don't know how white can really make use of that resulting thickness.

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Old 2010-03-14, 11:27 PM   #52
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I actually like the last diagram the most, simply because black can jump into the corner easily. I don't know how white can really make use of that resulting thickness.
Me too. That was what I meant by black avoiding a position in which he has better chances.
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Old 2010-03-15, 10:43 AM   #53
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I have discussed this move shortly before. I think I am behind, so I need to start attacking - and this is the only thing to attack right now. At the same time, this strengthens white group on the top middle.



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Looking at the board, it seems I am perhaps about 10 points behind, but I have sente now and can start attacking. If I am allowed to fantasize a bit, I hope I can get some points on the top side with this attack:


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But then the left side becomes the question. I need to jump in pretty quickly, since after the top black group is safe again, making a huge moyo on the left becomes a very good option for black. The question is how to do that without harming the upper side white group... I'll worry about that later.

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Old 2010-03-16, 08:45 PM   #54
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To Everything (Turn, Turn, Turn)
There is a season (Turn, Turn, Turn)
And a time to every purpose, under Heaven
Turn Turn Turn -- Byrds



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I talked about this at Move 21.

I think its a lovely move for white. I'm hoping the extension I got on the left, and the territory I grabbed on the right are enough to compensate for it, because that is the trade I made. I guess I will get about 12-15 points through my moves. I will see what white gets out of this.
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Old 2010-03-17, 09:45 AM   #55
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hi,

first - I apologize my slow move rate lately. I have been tired, as I updated my VDR to a H.264 capable system, and now I have constant problems with UHCI. Sometimes it sucks to be a nerd.

And then to the move...



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I see now only two options.

1.



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This one follows the idea in my previous considerations, and creates some territory on the bottom, while keeping the aji there. Black probably gets out then next by something like 1. If black dares to tenuki, "a" becomes a pretty good-looking move.

2.



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Something like this seals black on the side, makes the white group ultimately safe, removes the aji for the black group and makes black's lead feeling safe. On the other hand, a new opportunity rises for an attack: "a". The problem is that the upper side is totally wasted for white (there is even the cut at "b") so this would be no option. Have to resort to the option 1.

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Old 2010-03-17, 01:41 PM   #56
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No worries on the move rate. I've been tired too. We just did our annual ritual of moving all the clocks foward an hour. This wouldn't be a problem, except I try to go to bed at the correct "nominal" time, but can't sleep, and this just screws up the whole night
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Old 2010-03-18, 08:55 PM   #57
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I'm off to see the doctor
I hope she has a cure
I hope she makes me better
What does that even mean?
-- Bad Influence, Pink

Kex, hope your VDR is treating you better today than it was!



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My opponent isn't playing as aggressive as I would. I expected some kind of nasty fight along these lines. I also expected I could come out of it okay. Now I'm not so sure...



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W3 is a bit more a problem than I originally thought. I have to take a or b or c.



At first glance 'a' would be my choice, but...



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Again, 'a' or 'b' seems the best choices. If black chooses 'a' white gets 'b' and black crumbles. That seems to make 'b' the move for black.



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Black seems to live on the bottom, but at the expense of giving white back the upper left quadrant or a huge look at the center (I don't think black can save both K15 and H15). And whites upper right quadrant group is completely beyond attack now I think. [ as the game stands I think I can potentially dissect it, maybe with the help of a ladder-breaker unbreaker around K5. ]

In my eyes, I was given the chance to choose a move that avoids complications, doesn't allow white's group to strengthen while smacking mine on the head. White can still strengthen, but perhaps not in a way that I need to worry about.

If I go back to the original choice... 'b' gets black cut up in the bottom, and 'c' doesn't do much better if at all.

And this is reminder, that perhaps I should check these things before taking big moves I've become a bit to cavalier with my groups lately. Opponent's aren't killing them yet, but I'm breathing more sighs of relief lately than I did when I was a DDK. You know the feeling "OMG, don't move there, don't move there, don't move there... phew!"

Of course, there is always the possibility I misread some of this. I'm not so strong. And I'm serious about having trouble sleeping this week. Stupid time change.
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Old 2010-03-18, 08:58 PM   #58
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Those with hidden comments: if there are any that can be freed to the players, can you unhide them?

I realize that may not yet be possible at this point.
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Old 2010-03-21, 03:21 AM   #59
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A nice move by black. Fixing the defect, removing aji, in sente. I wonder if I had had to first peep before turning...

I still have some moves (a,b) against the black group on the top, but it seems now pretty strong already. White instead became too weak - I have to strengthen it. E.g. "c" looks pretty nasty now, so I need to reinforce the connection. But how?



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The first instinct that came to my mind is this:



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To bump against the black stone. The problem is that black 1 is so natural and makes white suffer. I cannot capture 1, because the white group is too weak, so I need to connect in bad shape. So this must be dismissed immediately. The next option is the table shape:



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It seems to cover the cuts nicely. If I am right, then the next question is whether black returns to cover the exit path or not...

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Default Move 33

Without your schemes my life, it seems, is empty
I spent all my time keeping you from doing wrong
You were my only nemesis
I'd foil your plans, but still I miss
The moments when we didn't get along
--When We Didn't Get Along, Phineas and Ferb

Not sure if the song is applicable, but its been stuck in my head for a few days now. Maybe this will exorcise it.



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I have no idea where to move. This means I have sente .

White's move gives me pause. It seems very defensive, and doesn't seem to affect my groups in any way I can read at the moment. When this happens, I tend to take the time to analyze the board.



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First a count:
White: Bottom right area I will grant: 15 points
Upper left : 15 points
The floaty group in the upper
right : 5 - 10 points.
Total: 35-40 points.

Black: Lower left : 15-20 points
Right side : 15-20 points
Floaty group : 5-10 points
Total: 30-50 points

The first thing you will notice is my estimate on black's points is less sure. This is because I feel more confident white can hold onto his points. Black's areas still have more weakness.

Looking at the overlap, I would guess the game is pretty even.

The second part is to look at the status of our groups. Both our groups involved in the fight seem to be just fine now. Black has an eye on the 16 line, and one at the bottom. Black also has a bit of space to roam in towards the center. White has an eye on the 14 line. White can either get one on the bottom, or has perfect center access.

With this defensive move, it takes away K5 as an interesting ladder breaker. Perhaps I could let white take that spot now? Such as:


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Black seems to get about 8 points from the excange and white 6. However, black loses sente. That makes this sequence feel like a point loss to me. This would be fine for me if I could find a way to solidify one of my areas, and try to lower the spread on my count.



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'a' or 'b' may do that. There is also 'c' to consider. It may not be sente, but if white ignores it black at d is pretty large, and will almost need to be responded to.

Ideally I'd LOVE a sequence like the following, but it is wishful thinking I believe.



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Note: W4 would probably be better, I'm just putting that down to show black retains sente in my wishful reading.

I opted for move '1' in the wishful thinking diagram. I think the followup it grants is worthwhile if white doesn't defend. I also think I can still play 3 if white invades the right side.
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