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Old 2010-04-15, 02:18 PM   #31
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I get paranoid when I see lots of hidden comments and multiple posts from observers.


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I also dislike that peep. I liked Bill's suggestion for poking at that cut.

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Old 2010-04-15, 02:19 PM   #32
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This is just to add to wms's paranoia.
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Old 2010-04-15, 02:32 PM   #33
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Is wms really a 1-dan??? I'd choose a or b!


Move 18
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$$ | . . . X . . . . . . a B . O O X . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . |
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[This is just one more post to add to wms's paranoia, haha.]
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Old 2010-04-15, 02:42 PM   #34
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Wow, don't expect to see moves like 18 from a 1k/1d player. Eek. -5 points in sente? Or is it worse than that? It fixed white's shape problem, put a useless stone on the board, and made it impossible to fix the s17 weakness in sente. (The last of which I might have missed if not for magicwand's note)
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I very bad and unexpected move indeed. I usually find magicwand's comments exagerating (they're fun to read though) but not this one.

If wms managed to become 1 dan playing this way, we can expect him to play much better later.
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Old 2010-04-15, 03:00 PM   #35
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OK, I feel like adding a little explanation for lower ranked players, because I know this is something that would have blown my mind when I was a several stones weaker.


Probing the cut
Show Diagram Code[go]$$Bc Probing the cut
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 4 3 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . 2 1 O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , B 5 O X . X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 X . . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . 7 . . X O O . |
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The marked black stone would be sente against white's group because it threatens this ladder which would obliterate white.



Probing the cut (5 could be at a too)
Show Diagram Code[go]$$Bc Probing the cut (5 could be at a too)
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$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . 2 1 O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , B 4 O X . X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . |
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If white prevents that, those two white stones are easily eaten.

The move wms chose was bad because it forces white to fix the cut in such a way that leaves the black stone looking stupid. A more subtle move like this or a in unkx80's diagram would also force white to respond, but wouldn't leave the black stone in such a ding-dongy spot.

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This comment is red because red is a scary color that should help wms's paranoia. That's what he gets for playing this game instead of adding coordinates to the Android client!

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Now this post looks all Christmassy.
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Old 2010-04-15, 03:14 PM   #36
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OK, I feel like adding a little explanation for lower ranked players, because I know this is something that would have blown my mind when I was a several stones weaker.


Probing the cut
Show Diagram Code[go]$$Bc Probing the cut
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 4 3 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . 2 1 O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , B 5 O X . X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 X . . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . 7 . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |[/go]Hide Diagram Code


The marked black stone would be sente against white's group because it threatens this ladder which would obliterate white.
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One comment, using the marked stone to try and cut is an option, but not the only one. Because white can just give up the two stones as you showed later, the marked stone may be better used for sealing:


Sealing white
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$$ | . . . X . . . . . 5 4 . . O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , B 2 O X . X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 3 1 X . . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . |
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If you cut
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 6 3 7 5 . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . 2 1 O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , B 4 O X . X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 8 . . X . . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . |
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Black seems to lose a lot of thickness for not much profit.
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Old 2010-04-15, 05:07 PM   #37
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The marked stone is effective even if white responds. In order to avoid being sealed in, white must make clumsy shape.


Empty Triangle
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$$ | . . . , . . . . . , B . O X . X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 3 1 X . . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . 2 . . X O O . |
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Old 2010-04-15, 05:39 PM   #38
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Move 21
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tenuki: its is a form of ART. it also make you appears stronger than what you really are. sometimes it bites your ass big time.
my tenuki..i think it is well played. it is looking at '1'

one tip to the lower kyu level players and dans if you didnt know. this '1' is ineffective if you exchange 'b' and 'c' therefor that atari at 'b' will be an aji kanshi(is this a right word??) anyway...
Show Diagram Code[go]$$Bc one tip to the lower kyu level players and dans if you didnt know. this '1' is ineffective if you exchange 'b' and 'c' therefor that atari at 'b' will be an aji kanshi(is this a right word??) anyway...
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . c X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . b X O O . |
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Old 2010-04-15, 05:53 PM   #39
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Move 21
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . B . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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So far magicwand has been anwsering all my moves. That's fun. It might not be good for actually winning if his answers get him more than my original moves got me, but it's still fun and I like that. I'm guessing that he'll now jump in on the left somewhere and leave D14 on its own. That's OK. I'll probably approach his next move, see what develops, try to take sente and move on to somewhere else. D14 can wait. Since I started with handicap 2, I'm not worried about ever actually doing better than magicwand. If I can just run around moving things towards settled shapes without losing very much anywhere I think I'll be OK.

Then again, I think I already lost a fair amount on the right side, so maybe my whole strategy sucks. Or maybe it's just I'm not good enough to carry it out. Anyway, let's see if I'm right about where he answers this.
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Old 2010-04-15, 05:53 PM   #40
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This comment is red because red is a scary color that should help wms's paranoia. That's what he gets for playing this game instead of adding coordinates to the Android client!

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Just thought I'd add a bit more to it. I also get paranoid not being able to read the comments in my game.
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