(;GM[1]EV[Internet Go Server game: gotirol vs oca]US[Brought to you by IGS PANDANET]CP[ Copyright (c) PANDANET Inc. 2014 Permission to reproduce this game is given, provided proper credit is given. No warrantee, implied or explicit, is understood. Use of this game is an understanding and agreement of this notice. ]GN[gotirol-oca(B) IGS]RE[W+Resign]PW[gotirol]WR[2k+]NW[27]PB[oca]BR[16k ]NB[13]PC[IGS: igs.joyjoy.net 6969]DT[2014-08-04]SZ[19]TM[60]KM[-5.500000]LT[]RR[Normal]HA[9]AB[jd][jp][pj][dj][jj][pp][dd][pd][dp]C[ oca 16k : Hi! ];W[nq]WL[59];B[oq]BL[54]TR[jp]C[ I kick when I have a stone like K4, mainly because white cannot make a two space extension.];W[np]WL[54]C[ok, that's what I excpected.];B[pn]BL[46]LB[po:a]C[this one seems important, I now that this is a joseki I also allready see a game where black played something else... whitre played next"a" on Q5 and that was really a server attack... so till there I'm fine.] (;W[mm]WL[43]LB[lp:a][jr:b]C[this is the first unexcpected move. I excpected "a" or "b" before jumping out.] (;B[lq]BL[36]LB[mo:a][no:b]TR[jp]C["a" and "b" went also into my mind but prefered that 6 in nine strone handicap, I always try to do something with the K4 stone as I don't like that kind of variation];W[lo]WL[42]SQ[np][lo][mm]C[I like this one. nice keima shape.];B[jo]BL[23]LB[jn:a]TR[lo]C[not sure... looks a bit small, maybe "a" is better... but I don't liked the proximity of the marked white stone...];W[pl]WL[41]TR[pn][pp][oq]C[I hate that ;-) , The corner looks small to me now... but I think it 's a wrong perception, I cannot have it all, I should just be more calm on this situation] (;B[qm]BL[15]MA[ol][om][nl][nm]C[[ Edlee\] Game 1. :b10: is the first move that stood out as... not good. Don't you feel it's very submissive ? Very soft ? Did you notice :w9: (Q8) is thin ? That it's too far from its friends ? Did you consider to split W and continue to attack ? Instead of backing down with :b10: ? [oca\] You are right... seems to be something to do to separate...];W[ql]WL[40]TR[qm][pj]SQ[pl][ql]C[[Edlee\] Also, did you notice the :b10: - :w11: exchange makes a kind of broken shape with your Q10 handi stone ? [oca\] now I can see that... and I think that's part of the problem I have with handicap game as during the game I was thinking that was "not that a problem as I have so many stones"... but that's wrong... I remember that my next move at "a" was not an obvious choice... I wanted to attack white... but maybe a more defensive move like "b" or "c" was better...]LB[nr:a][qq:c][gq:b];B[nr]BL[12]TR[lq]C[[Edlee\] :b12: ... :w15: same problems: you're in a 100% defensive mindset. You're not thinking of attack at all. [oca\] sure, now I see that B12 is also really redondant with B6 on M3 which as the same purpose (avoiding white to make a base)];W[mr]WL[38];B[or]BL[7];W[mq]WL[38]SQ[mr][mq]TR[lq][nr]C[[Edlee\] And the very clear broken shape for B — do you see it ? [oca\] Now I see it, but I didn't noticed that during the game when playing B12...];B[no]BL[714]TR[mq]C[[Edlee\] :b16: basic wrong shape. Also related to the broken shapes. This is currently a huge problem for you: basic broken shapes. [oca\] sure,B16 is not inpired at all... I somehow noticed during the game that I was losing my fighting spirit and I wanted to try something... getting back to fighting is a good Idea, but the move was definitly not the good one ... I also noticed now that w15 on N3 is an attachement... and ignoring an attachement is generally not good...];W[kq]WL[34]C[once again, ignoring an attachement is generally not good... (but BTW, I like W17 very much ! ) My first idea was to try to help M3 but it' is really trapped !]TR[lq] (;B[jq]BL[680];W[lr]WL[32];B[kp]BL[672];W[lp]WL[32];B[kr]BL[666];W[jr]WL[31];B[lq]BL[657];W[ks]WL[27] (;B[ir]BL[648];W[kq]WL[26]C[[Edlee\] Game 1: at :w27: , notice how you started to attack W on :b2: (which is good), but the end result is W gets life and a huge broken shape for B (which is bad). Globally, B is still OK. But you can study your moves up to :w27: in this game. And see how you forced W to get this result. [oca\]];B[jm]BL[641]C[one space is never wrong... but no pressure at all against white...];W[fp]WL[19];B[en]BL[636]C[I whish I played "a" on the 4th line... too much space for invasion... even on the thirs line at "b"...]LB[dn:a][cn:b];W[gn]WL[17];B[eq]BL[622]LB[dq:a]TR[en]C[not sure... hesited with "a"... I was not confortable with the previous move at E6 and didn't know exactly what to do here...];W[iq]WL[16];B[hq]BL[612]TR[ir]SQ[jq][jp][jo][kp]C[this is one of the move where I can not find any justification... - doesn't help J2, - doesn't make territory - doesn't help the center group This one is really "useless"];W[ip]WL[15]TR[hr]C[unexcpected... I was excpeting H2] (;B[hr]BL[606]LB[io:a]C[let's connect first... but looks a bit small now, I prefer the turn at "a"];W[hp]WL[15]C[but he did... b36 was to slow...];B[gq]BL[586]TR[gq][hq][hr]C[hello empty triangle];W[in]WL[14]SQ[ip][in][gn][hp]CR[fp]C[and while I'm making empty triangle , he is making a table shape... that even works well with the F4 stone !];B[jn]BL[582]C[I really start to worry about the middle group...];W[gp]WL[10]C[maybe I should have played B40 here ;)...];B[im]BL[578]C[ok, I think this one is good (given the situation...)];W[fn]WL[6];B[em]BL[558]TR[cn][cm][cl][co]C[well, if only that was the 4th line... so many space under to invade...];W[gl]WL[4];B[hk]BL[544]SQ[im][jm][jj][hk]C[I would say... ok...];W[fl]WL[1]C[bamboo..]SQ[gn][fn][gl][fl] (;B[hm]BL[539]LB[hl:a]C[dont peep at a bamboo ;) well peeping is not my intent here, I just want more room... but I should have played "a", has white can enter to easily with that shape...];W[el]WL[720];B[dl]BL[537]C[seems the only thing to do...];W[ej]WL[718]CR[ej]TR[el][fl][gl]SQ[fn][gn][in]C[I like this very horizontal construction... but there are not that much eyes potential... now I think I should have played at "a" to remove eyes potential]MA[fp][gp][hp][ip]LB[hn:a] (;B[dk]BL[521];W[gj]WL[715]TR[fk];B[gk]BL[511]C[eye space killed]MA[fk];W[fj]WL[713]C[still very horizontal...];B[ek]BL[502]LB[hn:a][hl:b][hj:c]C[ [Edlee\] :b56: - :w57: exchange: in addition to the broken shape for B, can you think of 2 other reasons this is bad for B. [oca\] - eye was allready killed by B54... - thank you move, just helps white to connect];W[fk]WL[711]SQ[fk][fl][fj]TR[gk][ek];B[hj]BL[499]C[this one is ok I think...];W[eh]WL[687];B[qq]BL[484]C[not bad I think... but that really shows how I'm on the defensive...];W[di]WL[682]C[hello Tiger]SQ[ej][di][eh][dj] (;B[ci]BL[472]C[is that really urgent...];W[ch]WL[681];B[bi]BL[459]C[so slow...];W[cq]WL[680];B[dq]BL[704]TR[gq][hq][hr][ir]LB[cp:a]C[well I prefer the potential of the other side, but this one looked so weak to me... that's why I didn't blocked on "a"];W[bp]WL[677];B[cr]BL[699];W[br]WL[676];B[cp]BL[693];W[bq]WL[675];B[ds]BL[689];W[cn]WL[658];B[cm]BL[678];W[co]WL[650];B[do]BL[673];W[bm]WL[627];B[bn]BL[654]LB[bl:a]TR[cn][co]C[[Edlee\] why is this wrong ? [oca\] wanted to try that... but no value, I can take the marked two stones anyway... so just playing "a" at B8 is better...];W[bo]WL[625];B[bl]BL[652];W[an]WL[625];B[cf]BL[614]C[try something else, playing an extension first before white approach];W[bh]WL[621];B[ec]BL[605]C[here I totally stopped to attack white, I'm just trying to make point... so I think I'm really confused here.];W[dn]WL[617]SQ[en][em][cm][dl][dk][ek][dj][ci][bi][bl]TR[do][dp][eq][dq][cp][cr][ds]LB[dm:a][eo:b]C[arg... now "a" and "b" are miai to separate my two groups...];B[dm]BL[581]TR[cm]C[that still help C7 a bit...];W[eo]WL[614]C[and of course... separation...];B[ck]BL[576]C[make eyes...];W[bs]WL[609];B[fq]BL[556];W[cs]WL[606];B[dr]BL[549];W[is]WL[599];B[hs]BL[529]C[at least this one will live, 6 is alive... I allready lost one so now I now how to play if needed ;)...] (;W[qo]WL[588];B[po]BL[518]C[only way to keep connected];W[rm]WL[586]C[I like this one...];B[rn]BL[514]C[try to seprate...]TR[qo][rm]SQ[rn];W[qn]WL[719]LB[pm:a][rn:b]C[fail... "a" and "b" are miai now...];B[ro]BL[487];W[pm]WL[717];B[qp]BL[484]TR[qo][qn]C[atari...];W[pf]WL[715]C[and of course white don't care... and dont want to make a bulky shape at "a"...]LB[qm:a];B[qf]BL[472]TR[pj]C[that's a try to help Q10... which is a bit alone...] (;W[qe]WL[714]LB[qg:a]C[I hate that (again) my first guess was that white wanted to do a more complex variation than just "a"];B[pe]BL[449]TR[qe]C[I really don't know how to play that R15... but... let's try...];W[re]WL[713];B[pg]BL[435]TR[pj]C[the intent is not to "just" atari, I still want to try to help that stone... the atari helps me to play R13 next...];W[of]WL[712];B[qg]BL[430]SQ[of][pf][pe][pd][qf][qg][qe][re]C[complex ... I should have read that book about crosscut... ;) anyway...];W[qc]WL[711];B[pc]BL[421]C[what else ?];W[qb]WL[711];B[qd]BL[415]C[that just doesn't separte anything...];W[rd]WL[710]LB[pb:a][rf:b]C[and there is still rooms for eyes... white can extends to "a" or "b"];B[pb]BL[712]LB[rf:b]C[now there is only "b" ;)];W[rb]WL[709]SQ[sb][sc][se]C[a good empty triangle that is making eyes shape] (;B[mc]BL[707]LB[md:a]C[here I really have no idea how to attack white so I played that one (or "a"... but at least not on the 5th line again...)];W[og]WL[707];B[oh]BL[698]SQ[qg][pg][oh][pj]C[seems ok...];W[nh]WL[707] (;B[ph]BL[691]LB[oi:a]TR[pg][qg][qf]C[weird... why not "a" ??? I remember I was affraid for the marked stone... but "a" is ok ... weird...];W[ni]WL[706] (;B[rf]BL[687]LB[oi:a][nj:b]C["a" is better, or even "b" ?];W[mf]WL[692]C[nice, eye space " + support for invasion....];B[rk]BL[674]TR[pj][rk]LB[qj:a]C[I'm still concerned with that group... but looks a bit weird too... maybe more "a"... not sure here...];W[rl]WL[675];B[qk]BL[670];W[ri]WL[672]C[that hurts... i really, really didn't excpected that... I had the feeling that I had lots of space before that move... but now that looks so small... but not dead yet... so let's fight and see...];B[rh]BL[661];W[oj]WL[671];B[qi]BL[657]C[ok but that cost me two moves...];W[jf]WL[662];B[ll]BL[654]C[the center is still not alive...];W[kk]WL[659]TR[ll][jj]SQ[kk]C[Hello elefant's eye...];B[jk]BL[640]C[bamboo is nice, but not that great for eyes... but no other idea anyway...];W[kl]WL[657]LB[hl:a][jl:b]C[now the problam is that "a" and "b" are miai reduce eye potential...];B[hl]BL[623];W[lk]WL[651];B[lm]BL[610]TR[ll]CR[mj][nj][mk][nk][ml][nl][ok][ol][om][nm][lj][mi][mh][li][lh][jj]LB[jl:a][kj:b][gi:c][kh:d]C[why to try to save this one... because it somehow enter a white zone... but K10 somehow allready does that... so "a", "b" or "c" or even "d" looks better...];W[km]WL[644]TR[jm][lm]SQ[km][kl]C[and that even don't work...];B[kj]BL[598]LB[jl:a]C[ok... but maybe "a" first...];W[lj]WL[642];B[hh]BL[594];W[gg]WL[606];B[kg]BL[574]C[a bit far...];W[jg]WL[600]TR[kg]C[now last move looks really wrong...];B[jh]BL[571];W[kf]WL[712];B[lh]BL[566]SQ[kg][lh][jg][jh]C[try a tiger shape];W[li]WL[706];B[ki]BL[560];W[jl]WL[702];B[il]BL[551]TR[ik]C[ok one eye... but I need another one....];W[ii]WL[699]TR[kg][lh]LB[lg:a]C[I really didn't excpected that ! now what ??? maked stones are just fake eyes... playing "a" won't help... capturing 155 don't work... as that would be 3 in a row.... Here it's really difficult for me... Resign went in my head... but come on that's not that often that I can play against strong guys so let's try a bit more...];B[ij]BL[546]C[if I can capture 155 that way, I can have two eyes... but I said "if" ;)];W[ih]WL[698];B[ig]BL[535]C[stop 155...];W[hg]WL[697]C[of course...];B[if]BL[531]TR[ig]C[cannot lose J13...];W[hi]WL[696]LB[gi:a][hh:b]C["a" and "b" are miai again good bye two eyes...];B[hn]BL[517]TR[in]C[still a chance here ? (of course not...but once again, I'm in try everything mode...)];W[io]WL[694];B[lf]BL[478]TR[jg][jf][kf]C[maybe here...];W[le]WL[694]C[no];B[lg]BL[711];W[ie]WL[687];B[hf]BL[705];W[je]WL[686];B[he]BL[662]TR[jg][jf][ie][je][kf]C[try that ?];W[id]WL[681]LB[ke:a]C[this ladder is not a ladder... there is a liberty at "a"...];B[ne]BL[641]TR[mf]C[let's try to attack N14];W[me]WL[671]C[of course, noway...];B[nf]BL[638]TR[id][ie][je][jf][jg][kf][le][me][mf]C[still no eyes... very difficult, but ... what else ?];W[ng]WL[636];B[md]BL[617]LB[mg:a]C["a" would be too obvious ;)];W[hd]WL[500];B[gf]BL[606]TR[hf][he][if][ig]C[just help that stones...after all, they are not dead...];W[gh]WL[499];B[ff]BL[597];W[kd]WL[489];B[kc]BL[576];W[jc]WL[486];B[jb]BL[566]C[this one is plain stupid...];W[kb]WL[470];B[ib]BL[529];W[lc]WL[468];B[mb]BL[525];W[oe]WL[460];B[nd]BL[506];W[od]WL[458];B[oc]BL[504]CR[nc][ob][oa][na]MA[nb]C[oh no ...bulky 5... and it's not my turn to play...];W[nb]WL[457]C[second group just got killed...];B[lb]BL[499]LB[ka:a]C[if I can connect at "a"... (still the try everything mode)];W[la]WL[451];B[ma]BL[464];W[ka]WL[445]C[no more connection possible END OF COMMENTS - the rest of the game is still in try every possible thing...];B[gc]BL[444];W[gd]WL[713];B[fd]BL[440];W[ef]WL[626];B[ee]BL[427];W[df]WL[621];B[de]BL[422];W[fg]WL[619];B[fe]BL[419];W[bf]WL[618];B[be]BL[415];W[cg]WL[616];B[ce]BL[410];W[ai]WL[615];B[aj]BL[406];W[ah]WL[614];B[bj]BL[396];W[ae]WL[611];B[ad]BL[717];W[af]WL[610];B[bd]BL[714];W[ja]WL[609];B[hb]BL[706];W[pk]WL[602];B[qj]BL[698];W[nn]WL[573];B[on]BL[691];W[om]WL[557];B[mo]BL[672];W[mn]WL[552];B[mg]BL[651];W[ld]WL[545];B[ia]BL[644];W[kc]WL[545];B[nj]BL[630];W[oi]WL[490];B[mj]BL[626];W[mk]WL[476];B[nk]BL[617];W[ml]WL[449];B[mi]BL[590];W[ok]WL[429];B[gm]BL[535];W[fm]WL[426];B[go]BL[524];W[js]WL[401];B[ep]BL[511];W[fo]WL[395];B[ho]BL[504];W[hc]WL[383];B[fb]BL[499];W[sk]WL[714];B[sj]BL[494];W[sl]WL[712];B[rj]BL[480];W[sf]WL[695];B[sg]BL[473];W[se]WL[694];B[sc]BL[455];W[sb]WL[692];B[qa]BL[447];W[ra]WL[689];B[kn]BL[394];W[ln]WL[686]C[ oca 16k : Thx for the game, i Will resign now... gotirol 2k+: hi ];OS[rocky858]) (;B[nj];W[oj];B[oi];W[ok];B[mj];W[pk];B[qj])) (;B[oi];W[ph] ;B[qi]C[Q12 doesn't works...])) (;B[sc];W[sb];B[qa] ;W[ra]C[now way I can stop white making two eyes...])) (;W[qg]C[but now I see that more because he has not enougth place for making a base...]TR[pj];B[qe] ;W[pg]TR[pj]C[no potential for an extension near Q10])) (;W[fr];B[fs];W[gr];B[er]) (;W[fs];B[fr];W[gs];B[es])) (;B[gi]C[try to avoid eye potential...];W[cj] ;B[ck]C[better I think...])) (;B[hn] (;W[ho]TR[go]LB[fo:a]C[still one potential eye... as I cannot play "a" right now...];B[io]C[one eye...]) (;W[io] ;B[ho]C[no more eye potential for white...]))) (;B[hl]C[better I think])) (;B[io]C[better I think])) (;B[kq]C[[Edlee\] :b26: do you see that if you don't connect on :b26: , and allow W to capture your 2 stones on :w27: (which W did), then W instantly makes 2 eyes and lives ? Whereas if you connect on :b26: , then W is still not alive ? [oca\] you right, that's better... white should still fight for making eyes...])) (;B[lr];W[kr];B[lp] ;W[kp]C[no way...])) (;B[om]C[that would be my choice to separate...])) (;B[pl]C[variation that I don't like...];W[fq];B[eq];W[fp];B[dn] ;W[in]TR[jp])) (;W[lp]C["a" variation];B[kq];W[lq];B[jn];W[mm]) (;W[jr]C["b" variation];B[jq];W[kr];B[ir];W[lq];B[hq]))