(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[0.50]TM[1200]OT[5x5 byo-yomi]
PW[Sephent]PB[hl782]WR[9k]BR[10k]DT[2015-06-07]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]C[Hikky [-\]: did you win this game?
hl782 [10k\]: yes
Hikky [-\]: *nods* by a lot?  a little?
hl782 [10k\]: by 15 points ish
Hikky [-\]: I ask because it's usually best to review lost games, but no biggie
Hikky [-\]: how do you feel about the game overall?  was there anything specific you want to cover in more detail?
hl782 [10k\]: hmm i think
hl782 [10k\]: i have a decent grasp
hl782 [10k\]: of fuseki?
hl782 [10k\]: but im pretty bad at the middle game
hl782 [10k\]: i follow my opponents around alot
Hikky [-\]: I see -- you'd be surprised how common that is around your strength
Laon [10k\]: hmmm just have to know when u dont have to
Hikky [-\]: well then, let's take a look shall we?
hl782 [10k\]: yup thanks :)
]RE[B+15.50]
;B[pd]BL[1197.982]C[hl782 [10k\]: hows it going man
]
;W[dp]WL[1197.489]
;B[pp]BL[1194.952]C[Sephent [9k\]: Pretty good. How are you doing?
Hikky [-\]: feel free to stop me to ask questions anytime
]
;W[dd]WL[1184.282]
;B[fc]BL[1186.82]C[hl782 [10k\]: been pretty good
hl782 [10k\]: i see you got a nice winstreak going on right now haha
Sephent [9k\]: Haha ya man youre one to talk. Youve got 2more games then I do. 
]
;W[hc]WL[1131.661]C[hl782 [10k\]: Also white played a joseki variation in the lower left corner and i didnt know how to react to it
]
;B[cc]BL[1181.561]C[Laon [10k\]: just ask urself if u have to respond to ur opponents moves 
Hikky [-\]: okay -- we can explore that a bit then
]
;W[cd]WL[1128.173]
;B[dc]BL[1178.412]
;W[ed]WL[1126.629]
;B[fb]BL[1177.41]
;W[ge]WL[1125.419]C[Sephent [9k\]: =)
hl782 [10k\]: x)
hl782 [10k\]: thats my favorite fuseki
]
;B[fq]BL[1156.968]C[Sephent [9k\]: Yep mine too. I noticed few our rank know it though but playing around 7k Ive seen it a bit.
]
;W[hq]WL[1077.443]
;B[cn]BL[1142.914]
;W[cq]WL[1070.956]C[hl782 [10k\]: yes
hl782 [10k\]: that
hl782 [10k\]: 3-3
Hikky [-\]: this move here eh?
hl782 [10k\]: yes
Laon [10k\]: e5
Hikky [-\]: well, this is the first thing worth talking about so far, everything else has been pretty standard, so let's look
hl782 [10k\]: ok
Hikky [-\]: white's goal here should seem a little obvious I think -- he wants to keep black split up, and most likely, cut and fight.  sound about right?
hl782 [10k\]: yup i think so
Hikky [-\]: just going to peek at the game,
Hikky [-\]: okay.  so.
Hikky [-\]: normally,
Hikky [-\]: white has jumped into the corner, and wants to split black up
Hikky [-\]: black typically responds by trying to seal white in and take outside influence
]
(;B[gp]BL[1092.059]C[hl782 [10k\]: ive never seen the
hl782 [10k\]: 3-3 protection of the corner though
hl782 [10k\]: interesting
Hikky [-\]: okay.  so, you leaned against H3, which isn't a terrible idea
]
(;W[jp]WL[1023.364]C[Sephent [9k\]: Not sure if its the best move or not. It does work though.
Hikky [-\]: white's response is a little strange, but ... that's okay
]
;B[fn]BL[1056.431]C[hl782 [10k\]: yup i was thinking sorta on those lines
Hikky [-\]: and F6 is also the right idea.  I think E5 is a more effective move, but you have the right gist
]
;W[nq]WL[1020.137]
;B[qn]BL[1052.331]
;W[pr]WL[1017.349]C[hl782 [10k\]: i just wasnt confident in my abilities with e5 and the cut to follow so i played a bit loose haha
Hikky [-\]: *nods*
]
;B[qq]BL[1050.787]
;W[qf]WL[1013.818]C[Hikky [-\]: mmm!  white has left a weak point : )
hl782 [10k\]: m3 right?
Hikky [-\]: yes, you got it
Hikky [-\]: that will be VERY useful for black later
Hikky [-\]: let's settle the top right corner first though
hl782 [10k\]: although i dont think i took advantage of it... hhahahahahahah
]
;B[qh]BL[1048.259]
;W[qc]WL[1011.263]
;B[qd]BL[1037.795]
;W[pc]WL[1009.775]
(;B[od]BL[1035.792]C[Hikky [-\]: good!
]
(;W[oc]WL[1008.356]C[Hikky [-\]: white pushing forward is a little unusual ...
]
(;B[nc]BL[1034.28]C[hl782 [10k\]: i see
]
;W[rd]WL[1006.015]
;B[re]BL[1033.23]
;W[rc]WL[1004.5]
;B[qe]BL[1032.593]
;W[ck]WL[1001.322]TR[nb][dh][lq]C[Sephent [9k\]: Do you listen to Chance The Rapper?
Hikky [-\]: okay!  so ...
Hikky [-\]: right now,
Hikky [-\]: I see three big areas on the board
hl782 [10k\]: is the upper right
hl782 [10k\]: that big?
Hikky [-\]: maybe big is not the right word to describe it.  it is "urgent".  so is the bottom side also urgent (and big too)
Hikky [-\]: the bottom and top right are areas where black can punish in sente.
hl782 [10k\]: okay
Hikky [-\]: also,
Hikky [-\]: M3 is urgent for black for similar reasons -- black has to seize the initiative in order to punish there
Hikky [-\]: right now would be a good time actually
Hikky [-\]: the last corner got settled, now the sides are important
Hikky [-\]: and then punishment here is *reaaaaally* big
]
(;B[dl]BL[1004.615]C[hl782 [10k\]: yes i played games where i played at p17
hl782 [10k\]: and got slaughtered in the corner
hl782 [10k\]: never again
rkdmf [4k\]: lol
Hikky [-\]: hehe
Hikky [-\]: okay, so white goes to use his wall
]
;W[dk]WL[997.526]
;B[ek]BL[999.975]
(;W[dh]WL[993.004]C[hl782 [10k\]: yeaa
]
;B[ej]BL[980.908]C[Hikky [-\]: good : )
Hikky [-\]: E10 is where white should have played
Hikky [-\]: proverb:  "my opponent's good point is my good point" !
hl782 [10k\]: that woulda been bad
Hikky [-\]: so playing E10 for yourself is good punishmnet
Hikky [-\]: *punishment
]
;W[cl]WL[990.911]
;B[dm]BL[979.084]
;W[bn]WL[988.038]C[hl782 [10k\]: yea dood
hl782 [10k\]: he actually came to my schoo
hl782 [10k\]: for our annual performance
Sephent [9k\]: Legit.
]
;B[bo]BL[929.647]C[hl782 [10k\]: yeah it was pretty dope haha
hl782 [10k\]: pretty mellow though
Sephent [9k\]: I really like Acid Rap. And I listened to his new album Surf.
]
;W[bm]WL[953.062]
;B[do]BL[927.406]
;W[eq]WL[947.072]
;B[fr]BL[918.668]C[Hikky [-\]: starting to look dangerous for white in the corner!
hl782 [10k\]: mhm
hl782 [10k\]: i think he descended afterwards to keep it safe
Hikky [-\]: this is because white got "sealed in" (basically) and then didn't bother to live first
]
;W[er]WL[945.668]C[Hikky [-\]: ah, but even descending is probably not so safe :p
hl782 [10k\]: yup
]
(;B[no]BL[891.194]C[hl782 [10k\]: that just helps white solidify the bottom
Hikky [-\]: eh, could be much worse ^^
Hikky [-\]: yes, it does
hl782 [10k\]: so that weakness goes away
hl782 [10k\]: i just helped scratch his itching point
Hikky [-\]: on the upside, it also grows black's influence on the right side
hl782 [10k\]: thats what my dad would say
hl782 [10k\]: yea thats why i played it
Hikky [-\]: but you're right -- it does help white, so white is thankful that you didn't punish
]
;W[mp]WL[938.77]
(;B[mo]BL[886.437]
;W[qk]WL[936.675]C[hl782 [10k\]: but i think the invasion you showed me was much better x)
Hikky [-\]: yup
Hikky [-\]: okay, so now white is invading the right side
Hikky [-\]: this will be tricky, as always
]
;B[pf]BL[862.498]C[Hikky [-\]: good!
Hikky [-\]: you can't attack from a weak position, so strengthening that shows good judgment : )
hl782 [10k\]: am i weak?
Hikky [-\]: you are alive on both sides now, so no matter what, you're safe
Hikky [-\]: you were weak before Q14, yes
Hikky [-\]: weak-ish
hl782 [10k\]: ahh okay
hl782 [10k\]: ohh i see
hl782 [10k\]: cuz that of that cut at o16
Hikky [-\]: that is one part of the weakness, yes
Hikky [-\]: white S14 is another part
hl782 [10k\]: and other possible moves around s14
hl782 [10k\]: yup
Hikky [-\]: combined, they are effective
]
;W[nk]WL[898.043]C[Hikky [-\]: so, already here, it looks to me like white's invasion is pretty successful
Hikky [-\]: but at least you are safe
]
;B[nh]BL[854.83]
(;W[ld]WL[892.071]
;B[md]BL[851.814]
;W[lf]WL[889.575]
;B[lc]BL[848.136]
;W[kd]WL[884.44]TR[ej][ek][dl][dm][fn]C[hl782 [10k\]: i could tell i was pretty strong on the left
hl782 [10k\]: :)
Hikky [-\]: can you see here how this influence makes it harder for white to run?
hl782 [10k\]: mhm
Hikky [-\]: this is part of the "investment" : )
hl782 [10k\]: make him run into it :P
Hikky [-\]: exactly
hl782 [10k\]: i see it
]
;B[mj]BL[819.847]C[hl782 [10k\]: i see
hl782 [10k\]: one quick question
Hikky [-\]: ah, good : )
hl782 [10k\]: then after o5
Hikky [-\]: so,
Hikky [-\]: now that white did not run away,
Hikky [-\]: now black has more opportunity to attack
]
;W[om]WL[878.827]C[hl782 [10k\]: yup
]
(;B[on]BL[812.119]
;W[pi]WL[875.865]
;B[ph]BL[809.653]
;W[rm]WL[873.889]C[Hikky [-\]: hehe
Hikky [-\]: this feels like white is just throwing stones around ^^
hl782 [10k\]: hahah
hl782 [10k\]: when i was playing
Hikky [-\]: I don't think these actually threaten anything
hl782 [10k\]: i thought i was giving him too easy of a life
hl782 [10k\]: on the inside
Hikky [-\]: yes, perhaps you were
]
;B[qm]BL[795.295]
;W[rl]WL[872.109]C[hl782 [10k\]: i didnt rlly have to respond
]
;B[pl]BL[793.471]C[Hikky [-\]: right
]
;W[rn]WL[868.433]
;B[ro]BL[791.73]
;W[qi]WL[862.654]
;B[oi]BL[755.833]
;W[oj]WL[860.146]
;B[ol]BL[743.096]
;W[ni]WL[854.994]
(;B[mh]BL[728.928]
;W[oh]WL[853.382]C[hl782 [10k\]: i thoguht that was my
hl782 [10k\]: questionable play of the game
hl782 [10k\]: should i have just blocked it?
Hikky [-\]: I would say yes, you should have blocked
]
;B[og]BL[727.758]
;W[mi]WL[851.865]
;B[li]BL[723.504]
;W[lh]WL[850.331]
;B[oi]BL[722.323]
;W[ec]WL[842.007]
;B[eb]BL[720.682]
;W[oh]WL[839.815]
;B[lg]BL[666.72]
;W[kh]WL[832.424]
;B[oi]BL[663.632]C[Hikky [-\]: this ko doesn't seem so important to me now that white is alive on the right side hehe
]
;W[nj]WL[830.713]
;B[kj]BL[651.767]C[Hikky [-\]: good, white connected
]
;W[lm]WL[826.723]
;B[nl]BL[645.633]
;W[ml]WL[821.184]
;B[mk]BL[636.149]
;W[pk]WL[819.002]
;B[ij]BL[613.067]C[Hikky [-\]: also good -- black is running towards his influence, with his weakest group
hl782 [10k\]: mhm
hl782 [10k\]: idk why he didnt bother to seal me in
]
;W[gj]WL[812.541]C[Hikky [-\]: hehe
Hikky [-\]: looks like he really wants to attack!
Hikky [-\]: that is probably why ^^
]
;B[kg]BL[606.158]
;W[jh]WL[810.373]
;B[jg]BL[601.543]
;W[ih]WL[808.747]
;B[hi]BL[597.839]
;W[fi]WL[805.58]
;B[hl]BL[586.989]
;W[fl]WL[800.358]
;B[fk]BL[579.815]
;W[gl]WL[794.751]
;B[gk]BL[578.988]
;W[gm]WL[778.505]
;B[hj]BL[567.708]
;W[el]WL[772.749]
;B[hm]BL[561.776]
;W[gn]WL[771.473]
;B[hn]BL[557.319]
;W[go]WL[770.249]
;B[ho]BL[551.339]
;W[fo]WL[768.815]
;B[fp]BL[539.148]
;W[en]WL[746.59]C[Hikky [-\]: yikes!
]
;B[eo]BL[529.952]
;W[ep]WL[738.924]
;B[hp]BL[517.444]
;W[bp]WL[721.497]C[Hikky [-\]: note here:
Hikky [-\]: you can just capture directly if you want, with a somewhat unusual move
]
(;B[ao]BL[496.51]C[hl782 [10k\]: is acid rap an artist?
]
;W[co]WL[716.043]C[Sephent [9k\]: Nah man its one of Chance The Rappers album's. You can check it out on youtube.
hl782 [10k\]: that descent was a mistake
Hikky [-\]: I had this eyeballed very early on, the potential for ko here :p
hl782 [10k\]: made it into an unnecesary ko fight
Hikky [-\]: interesting to see that it came about though
]
;B[cp]BL[450.217]
;W[lk]WL[709.467]
;B[lj]BL[433.969]
;W[co]WL[706.836]
;B[ok]BL[424.257]C[Hikky [-\]: !
hl782 [10k\]: yup
hl782 [10k\]: white shoulda taken the ko
Hikky [-\]: I don't think this threat is big enough ^^
Hikky [-\]: right
hl782 [10k\]: yup
]
(;W[pj]WL[695.627]
;B[cp]BL[421.289]
;W[mf]WL[683.994]
;B[em]BL[395.907]C[hl782 [10k\]: yup this is why i asked for a review of the game
Hikky [-\]: good : )
hl782 [10k\]: cuz i knew if white just played that ko
hl782 [10k\]: i woulda lost
Hikky [-\]: better to lose 3 stones than like 10 + a capture
]
;W[co]WL[672.471]
;B[fm]BL[390.64]
;W[cp]WL[670.399]
;B[mg]BL[383.763]
;W[lo]WL[662.947]
;B[mm]BL[369.609]
;W[ll]WL[659.967]
;B[ln]BL[368.136]
;W[kn]WL[658.626]
;B[mn]BL[365.685]
;W[km]WL[655.301]
;B[ko]BL[360.953]
;W[jo]WL[653.852]
;B[lp]BL[358.951]
;W[lq]WL[650.22]
;B[np]BL[356.526]
;W[mq]WL[645.234]
;B[jn]BL[352.356]
;W[kp]WL[643.816]
;B[lo]BL[349.93]
;W[jj]WL[642.06]
;B[jk]BL[343.663]
;W[ji]WL[637.606]
;B[kk]BL[338.874]
;W[qr]WL[629.364]C[Hikky [-\]: good capture : )
]
;B[rr]BL[333.307]C[hl782 [10k\]: thanks!
]
;W[rh]WL[626.503]
;B[rg]BL[330.641]
;W[ri]WL[624.834]
;B[ob]BL[320.575]
;W[pb]WL[623.061]
;B[nb]BL[315.467]
;W[bc]WL[610.516]C[Hikky [-\]: !
Hikky [-\]: lol
hl782 [10k\]: yup
hl782 [10k\]: isnt
hl782 [10k\]: c18
Hikky [-\]: I love 10k games <3
hl782 [10k\]: the better move?
Hikky [-\]: mm, no, B17 is good
hl782 [10k\]: oh rlly
Laon [10k\]: id say its a 9k vs 9k game xD
hl782 [10k\]: why did you go !
hl782 [10k\]: haha
Hikky [-\]: yeah, so far this game is pretty consistent
Hikky [-\]: oh
Hikky [-\]: I said "!" because look at the top right -- white tenuki'd
Hikky [-\]: but isn't that the asme shape I killed earlier? ; )
hl782 [10k\]: ohhhhhhhhhh
Laon [10k\]: h13
Laon [10k\]: xD
hl782 [10k\]: i eventually played h13
hl782 [10k\]: haha
Hikky [-\]: yes, h13 is good too : )
]
(;B[cb]BL[309.559]
;W[bb]WL[609.067]
;B[hb]BL[307.432]C[hl782 [10k\]: ah okay
hl782 [10k\]: misread
hl782 [10k\]: i think
]
;W[ib]WL[607.399]C[Hikky [-\]: hello
hl782 [10k\]: hi
Hikky [-\]: you wanted a review?
hl782 [10k\]: yes yes
hl782 [10k\]: id appreciate that very much
Hikky [-\]: okay then -- I think I can help you out  : )
]
;B[da]BL[290.561]
;W[gb]WL[604.656]C[hl782 [10k\]: i was starting to run out of time
hl782 [10k\]: plus my mom was telling me to eat
hl782 [10k\]: LOL
Hikky [-\]: hehe.  time is always the enemy of the go player
]
;B[ga]BL[285.588]
;W[ha]WL[601.468]
;B[fa]BL[284.92]
;W[gd]WL[597.516]
;B[hg]BL[280.748]C[Hikky [-\]: nice
]
;W[ig]WL[582.465]
;B[if]BL[278.713]
;W[hf]WL[575.261]
;B[hh]BL[271.207]
;W[jf]WL[573.776]
;B[ie]BL[269.3]
;W[je]WL[567.12]C[Laon [10k\]: he miessed up
]
(;B[ii]BL[262.378]
;W[id]WL[564.447]
;B[ki]BL[260.794]
;W[he]WL[563.068]C[hl782 [10k\]: mhm
]
(;B[ig]BL[257.792]C[Laon [10k\]: 2 points not worth much
hl782 [10k\]: ohh i could have gon 1 more stone up huh
Laon [10k\]: if u have sente
Hikky [-\]: now here,
hl782 [10k\]: no need to block
Hikky [-\]: you connected to save 2 stones, but you probably could have pushed into the left side for a larger gain
]
;W[cm]WL[519.645]C[Laon [10k\]: and reduction
]
;B[is]BL[246.677]C[Hikky [-\]: good ignore!
]
;W[jr]WL[516.498]
;B[js]BL[244.203]
;W[kr]WL[511.965]
;B[iq]BL[241.416]
;W[ir]WL[510.743]
;B[hr]BL[239.381]
;W[ks]WL[509.036]C[Hikky [-\]: very effective
]
;B[hs]BL[237.228]
;W[jq]WL[507.675]
;B[ip]BL[232.981]
;W[in]WL[503.092]
;B[jm]BL[229.86]
;W[im]WL[501.041]
;B[jl]BL[223.63]
;W[io]WL[499.744]
;B[pa]BL[211.634]C[Hikky [-\]: ahhh
hl782 [10k\]: yeaaa
Hikky [-\]: so, missed opportunities on the top right, oh well
hl782 [10k\]: i had no idea how to kill it...
Hikky [-\]: *nods*
hl782 [10k\]: x) now i know
Hikky [-\]: in time
]
;W[qa]WL[497.581]C[hl782 [10k\]: yup
hl782 [10k\]: i see now
Hikky [-\]: eve here, you can play it still
]
(;B[sd]BL[210.513]
;W[rb]WL[494.911]C[Hikky [-\]: S18 is the critical move here
]
;B[ei]BL[181.264]C[hl782 [10k\]: yea ive been working on some tsumego
]
;W[di]WL[438.099]
;B[dj]BL[171.308]
;W[cj]WL[436.234]
;B[eh]BL[163.868]
;W[eg]WL[434.658]C[hl782 [10k\]: my dad gave me maeda's tsumego set
]
;B[fg]BL[159.292]
;W[ff]WL[433.076]
;B[ef]BL[152.505]
;W[dg]WL[430.777]
;B[fe]BL[151.933]C[hl782 [10k\]: and gikyung joongmyo
]
;W[gf]WL[425.198]
;B[fd]BL[145.141]C[hl782 [10k\]: but that 2nd one is too damn hard for me atm
]
;W[ee]WL[422.772]
;B[gc]BL[129.204]
;W[hb]WL[420.229]
;B[jc]BL[122.962]
;W[jd]WL[413.927]C[Laon [10k\]: ur dad has good stuff for learning ... ur lucky xD
]
;B[jb]BL[118.636]C[hl782 [10k\]: yes he has alot of good good stuff
Hikky [-\]: yes, very lucky : )  take advantage of that!
hl782 [10k\]: old korean books
]
;W[kc]WL[412.139]
;B[kb]BL[117.077]
;W[lb]WL[405.802]
;B[mc]BL[95.15]C[hl782 [10k\]: man my endgame
hl782 [10k\]: is my chronic weakness
]
;W[ic]WL[386.314]
;B[la]BL[89.561]C[Sephent [9k\]: youre doing just fine
]
;W[oa]WL[380.994]
;B[na]BL[87.92]
;W[sc]WL[378.402]C[hl782 [10k\]: i wish hed teach me in more detail though
]
;B[se]BL[86.522]C[hl782 [10k\]: hes too busy
]
;W[sg]WL[376.358]
;B[sf]BL[80.119]
;W[sh]WL[373.98]C[hl782 [10k\]: and too good for me
]
;B[oh]BL[67.473]
;W[ne]WL[369.802]
;B[nd]BL[61.059]
;W[pq]WL[355.838]
;B[qp]BL[56.457]
;W[so]WL[348.148]
;B[sp]BL[54.506]
;W[sn]WL[346.427]
;B[qs]BL[50.27]
;W[ps]WL[340.95]
;B[rs]BL[49.13]
;W[op]WL[331.3]
;B[oo]BL[45.148]
;W[oq]WL[329.762]
;B[es]BL[39.537]
;W[ds]WL[327.825]
;B[fs]BL[38.883]
;W[cr]WL[324.889]
;B[dn]BL[34.691]
;W[ca]WL[320.142]
;B[ba]BL[30.397]
;W[bd]WL[314.794]
;B[ca]BL[14.478]
;W[sq]WL[304.801]
;B[rp]BL[11.042]
;W[ql]WL[296.559]
;B[gg]BL[5]OB[4]
;W[df]WL[293.186]
;B[nf]BL[5]OB[3]C[Laon [10k\]: wish one of my parents were a go player xD
]
;W[me]WL[283.546]C[hl782 [10k\]: that one
Hikky [-\]: at this move,
hl782 [10k\]: ohhh
]
(;B[oe]BL[5]OB[3]C[hl782 [10k\]: i see
hl782 [10k\]: i lose the two points
hl782 [10k\]: that i gained there
Hikky [-\]: right
hl782 [10k\]: but i think
hl782 [10k\]: i still gain a net of 2
hl782 [10k\]: cuz white has to fill in
Hikky [-\]: actually looking at it again, you're correct
hl782 [10k\]: h16 and e14 s well
hl782 [10k\]: yup
Hikky [-\]: black's 2 points are worth more because of the fills
Hikky [-\]: good eye : )
hl782 [10k\]: thanks
]
;W[kf]WL[280.068]
(;B[pm]BL[5]OB[3]
;W[ab]WL[237.588]
;B[pa]BL[5]OB[2]
;W[ja]WL[231.216]C[hl782 [10k\]: back a bit more
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;B[ik]BL[5]OB[2]
;W[ia]WL[194.564]
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Sephent [9k\]: thx
hl782 [10k\]: that left was huge
hl782 [10k\]: ill def check out the album
Sephent [9k\]: Yeah I think you ll like it.
hl782 [10k\]: are you down to review the game?
Sephent [9k\]: Im good thanks though
hl782 [10k\]: alrightey m ah
hl782 [10k\]: imma post this up for review haha
hl782 [10k\]: take care!
Sephent [9k\]: see ya
Hikky [-\]: rest is just endgame
hl782 [10k\]: yup
hl782 [10k\]: i thoguht
hl782 [10k\]: i made
Hikky [-\]: so!  that's it.  any questions?
hl782 [10k\]: one mistake
hl782 [10k\]: in the endgame
hl782 [10k\]: regarding the two white points near the upper central
Hikky [-\]: which move?
Hikky [-\]: any other questions or anything?
hl782 [10k\]: mmm no
hl782 [10k\]: i think you covered just about everything
hl782 [10k\]: this was so detailed
hl782 [10k\]: i learned so much
Hikky [-\]: great, I'm glad : )  good job in this game
hl782 [10k\]: thanks!
Hikky [-\]: I do think you have pretty good go sense for your strength
hl782 [10k\]: i hope i just keep learning
hl782 [10k\]: i wanna beat my dad 1 day
Hikky [-\]: I think if you keep on truckin' you will be single-digit kyu in short time
hl782 [10k\]: before he dies
Hikky [-\]: hehe.  do you know how strong he is?
hl782 [10k\]: he's a 9dan on tygem
hl782 [10k\]: im sure hed be around 8-9dan on kgs as well
Hikky [-\]: wow no kidding
hl782 [10k\]: he was a tier2 yungooseng
hl782 [10k\]: in korean when he was younger
Hikky [-\]: goodness
hl782 [10k\]: (theres 3 tiers, and top 3-4 from 1st tier makes pro)
hl782 [10k\]: plus his hometown is the same as lee sedol so he's played him with around 4 stones i think
Laon [10k\]: yea one lucky guy 
Hikky [-\]: that's pretty amazing to be honest
Hikky [-\]: do you live in korea now?
hl782 [10k\]: no we are in the states
hl782 [10k\]: im a college student
Hikky [-\]: so your dad is in the states, and mr. sedol is coming to the state in a couple years
Hikky [-\]: good time to be alive in north america!  : )
hl782 [10k\]: yea i heard about that
hl782 [10k\]: my dad knows him so i might be able to see him in a few years
hl782 [10k\]: thatd be pretty awesome
Laon [10k\]: yea he gonna retire 
hl782 [10k\]: i hope he doesnt lol
Hikky [-\]: wow, that's incredible, haha
hl782 [10k\]: the man is still the shit
Laon [10k\]: and promote go in america
Laon [10k\]: yea
hl782 [10k\]: i love his style of play
Laon [10k\]: my favorite is iyama yuta tho xD
hl782 [10k\]: quintissential korean
Hikky [-\]: hehe
hl782 [10k\]: i like lee sedol
hl782 [10k\]: and fujisawa shuko
Hikky [-\]: I would love to see a jubango between iyama and sedol
Laon [10k\]: oh wait shusaku my first favorite
hl782 [10k\]: i dont like shusaku
Laon [10k\]: o.o
hl782 [10k\]: i dont like alot of the older players actually
Hikky [-\]: hehe
Hikky [-\]: any particular reason for that?
Hikky [-\]: or just their older style?
hl782 [10k\]: hmm i cant help but feel outdated
hl782 [10k\]: and that if they played current pros
hl782 [10k\]: theyd get beat
Hikky [-\]: *nods*
Hikky [-\]: I have heard that modern pros think they could give a full stone handicap to the likes of shusaku, and win
hl782 [10k\]: i think the latest id study
hl782 [10k\]: is go seigen
hl782 [10k\]: yup
Hikky [-\]: then again,
Laon [10k\]: what time is it were u at h1?
Hikky [-\]: I've also heard that modern pros think they could give about 3 or 4 stones to the perfect player and play evenly
Hikky [-\]: but as a programmer I find that hard to believe ^^
hl782 [10k\]: oh do you program?
hl782 [10k\]: i am a cs major actually
Hikky [-\]: oh really?  very nice.  yes, I'm a career programmer.  actually wrote a (bad) go client+server for a short project while in college
hl782 [10k\]: thats awesome
Hikky [-\]: now I do web applications
hl782 [10k\]: i just finished freshman yr lol
hl782 [10k\]: im just as lost in that field as i am in go x)
Hikky [-\]: cool : )  any particular passion?
hl782 [10k\]: no haha not as of yet
Laon [10k\]: GO!!!!!!!
hl782 [10k\]: hopefullly ill find it
Laon [10k\]: xD
Hikky [-\]: hehe.  that's good.  a word of advice,
Hikky [-\]: keep your options open -- just as in go, it is helpful not to commit to a particular variation until you are sure you want it ... so too in programming, don't specialize too far unless you are absolutely sure you want to
hl782 [10k\]: yup :)
hl782 [10k\]: do you have any
hl782 [10k\]: recommendations for tsumego?
Laon [10k\]: hikky
Laon [10k\]: wat rank r u?
Hikky [-\]: hmm
hl782 [10k\]: i think the only one in my house
hl782 [10k\]: thats around my level
hl782 [10k\]: is the maeda tsumego
Hikky [-\]: I'm about 1d.  maybe 1k since I am a little rusty
Hikky [-\]: honestly,
hl782 [10k\]: all the other ones in my house are
Hikky [-\]: the best tsumego colleciton I've found
hl782 [10k\]: the ones that are impossible that my dad did when he was young
hl782 [10k\]: gikyung joongmyo, hyunhyun kikyung, balyangron, etc etc
Hikky [-\]: is the Graded Go Problems books.  there are two series, 4-volume Graded Go Problems for Beginners (right up your alley, hl782)
hl782 [10k\]: oh cool!
Hikky [-\]: and 7-volume series Graded Go Problems for Dans, which is what I own and am working through occasionally
hl782 [10k\]: ooh awesome
Hikky [-\]: I think these books are *excellent* sources for organized tsumego
hl782 [10k\]: seems like the 1st series
hl782 [10k\]: woudl be perfect
Laon [10k\]: i wanna be a dan fast xD
Hikky [-\]: hehe
Hikky [-\]: if you want to be a dan fast
Hikky [-\]: there is only one answer
hl782 [10k\]: play and solve problems
Hikky [-\]: tsumego.  tsumego, tsumego, tsumego.
hl782 [10k\]: yup
Hikky [-\]: you don't even need to play ^^
Hikky [-\]: hehe
hl782 [10k\]: my dad said that
hl782 [10k\]: segoe maek dictionary
hl782 [10k\]: was his bible
Laon [10k\]: once i reach dan i gotts study more and reach high dan to take pro exam xD
hl782 [10k\]: when he was a lower rank
Hikky [-\]: I believe it
Hikky [-\]: the way I see it,
Hikky [-\]: there are two skills that are more fundamental than all other skills, in go
Hikky [-\]: reading, and positional judgment
hl782 [10k\]: mhm
Hikky [-\]: reading is what gives you tactical ability, while positional judgment gives you strategic ability
Laon [10k\]: yea 
hl782 [10k\]: thats awesome
Hikky [-\]: tsumego is the main way to develop reading, and positional judgment is tougher and has multiple ways but things like reviews, teaching games, books, lessons, are all helpful for that
Hikky [-\]: but the key difference is,
Laon [10k\]: i use wbaduk app for tsumego
Hikky [-\]: reading can't really be taught ... it has to be actively learned by the student
hl782 [10k\]: mhm
hl782 [10k\]: how many move
Hikky [-\]: you can't really walk someone through tsumego and expect them to learn while you give them all the answers.  it's up to each person to develop reading on their own merits
hl782 [10k\]: do you think you can look ahead?
hl782 [10k\]: on a general basis
Hikky [-\]: well
Hikky [-\]: to be honest that is ... too difficult of a question to answer.  even if I give an accurate answer I don't think the answer is helpful
Hikky [-\]: there are times where, in some joseki, I can read 10 or 15 moves ahead
Laon [10k\]: pros can read like 40-30 moves ahead i heard xD
Hikky [-\]: and there are times in some complicated middlegame fights where I miss moves that are 1 move away, right in front of my face
Laon [10k\]: some*
hl782 [10k\]: mmm i see
Hikky [-\]: so, it varies I think
hl782 [10k\]: thats perfectly understandable
Hikky [-\]: pros are pretty familiar with joseki so
Hikky [-\]: it is fair to say they can read 30 or 40 moves ahead, definitely
Hikky [-\]: but in complicated non-joseki fights
Hikky [-\]: I thik 30 or 40 moves is probably too ambitious, and I bet they can only read closer to 10 moves ahead in those cases
Laon [10k\]: HNG!!! OP
Hikky [-\]: and even 9p make mistakes too : )
Hikky [-\]: even silly mistakes like self-atari
Laon [10k\]: every one makes mistakes 
Laon [10k\]: otherwise there cant be a winner
Hikky [-\]: yup.  we all are students of go, hehe
hl782 [10k\]: :)
hl782 [10k\]: thanks hikky
Laon [10k\]: tht self atari video was funny 
hl782 [10k\]: and laon
hl782 [10k\]: i buddied you both
hl782 [10k\]: also hikky
hl782 [10k\]: PM me
Hikky [-\]: anytime, always happy to help
hl782 [10k\]: about the korean terms
Hikky [-\]: yes, I plan to : )
hl782 [10k\]: bye guys
hl782 [10k\]: thanks :)
])
(;B[ja]BL[5]OB[1]))
(;B[kf]C[hl782 [10k\]: yup
Hikky [-\]: mmm,
hl782 [10k\]: oh rlly?
Hikky [-\]: well, let's count it:
]
;W[oe]
(;B[ke])
(;B[pe]
;W[le]
;B[ke]
;W[hd]
;B[of]C[hl782 [10k\]: yup
Hikky [-\]: I think white's okay
hl782 [10k\]: but still a couple more oints for me
Hikky [-\]: nah, I don't think so actually
])))
(;B[rb]
;W[sb]C[Laon [10k\]: tsumego problems will help
hl782 [10k\]: mhm
]))
(;B[fg]
;W[ig]
;B[dg]
;W[cg]
;B[df]
;W[cf]
;B[eh]C[Hikky [-\]: much bigger : )
]))
(;B[id]C[Hikky [-\]: yup
Hikky [-\]: yup
Hikky [-\]: this is kinda big because
Hikky [-\]: lok at the L16 stones
Hikky [-\]: now they are looking kinda cut off
]
;W[jc]C[Hikky [-\]: white must connect them,
Hikky [-\]: and now you can just ... keep going
]
;B[fg]C[Hikky [-\]: you have the liberties no matter what, it's 4 libs vs 2
Hikky [-\]: so there is no threat there any longer
hl782 [10k\]: mm i see
Hikky [-\]: make sense?
hl782 [10k\]: yup
]))
(;B[bb]C[Hikky [-\]: you can play B18 here, it's okay
]
;W[bd]
;B[ab]C[Laon [10k\]: yea white cant do much
]))
(;W[dn]C[hl782 [10k\]: i am very bad
]
;B[pj]
;W[rj]C[hl782 [10k\]: at identifying
hl782 [10k\]: ko threats
Hikky [-\]: hehe, it's okay.  all in due time
]))
(;B[em]C[hl782 [10k\]: yup
]
(;W[fm]
;B[fn]C[hl782 [10k\]: thats exactly what i should have done
])
(;W[ao]
;B[co]
;W[cm]
;B[fm])))
(;B[oh]
;W[mi]C[Hikky [-\]: white is basically alive at this point,
hl782 [10k\]: mmm
Hikky [-\]: so there is no use clinging to that one stone
hl782 [10k\]: got it
Hikky [-\]: it's only one stone, doesn't serve much of a purpose anymore
Hikky [-\]: previously it was sealing white in
Hikky [-\]: but now white is alive, so it's lost some value
hl782 [10k\]: mhm
]))
(;B[ll]
;W[pi]C[Hikky [-\]: so, you can see how these two white moves, can probalby be ignored, and you can surround and probably kill later
hl782 [10k\]: mhm
Hikky [-\]: so, white is definitely throwing stones ^^
]
;B[rm]TR[oj][pl]C[hl782 [10k\]: two elephants eyes
Hikky [-\]: big gaps!  this white would die undoubtedly
Hikky [-\]: exactly : )
Hikky [-\]: you know your terminology, that's very good
hl782 [10k\]: ive been learning
hl782 [10k\]: the english/japanese terms
Hikky [-\]: it is paying off : )
hl782 [10k\]: i only knew korean ones even just a few weeks ago
Hikky [-\]: hmmm
Hikky [-\]: are you very familiar with korean terms?
hl782 [10k\]: cuz i speak korean with my dad
hl782 [10k\]: yes
Hikky [-\]: interesting
hl782 [10k\]: i think its really funny
hl782 [10k\]: how people debate over the term haengma
Hikky [-\]: that's fortuitous -- I'll have something to ask you about in PM later, if that's okay
hl782 [10k\]: sure
Hikky [-\]: but let's finish the review for now
hl782 [10k\]: alrightey
]))
(;W[mi]C[hl782 [10k\]: instead of n5, i wulda probs been much better off protecting the sides
hl782 [10k\]: right?
Hikky [-\]: white needs to keep running with this weak group!
hl782 [10k\]: for example putting a stone at q9
Hikky [-\]: probably, yes
Hikky [-\]: your opponent did ignore it after all
]))
(;B[pk]C[hl782 [10k\]: yup that looks like a nice moyo
hl782 [10k\]: probs the bigger move
Hikky [-\]: this isn't a moyo though -- this is just ordinary territory
hl782 [10k\]: nice territory*
hl782 [10k\]: x)
Hikky [-\]: not that it's bad, it's good to have territory : )
]))
(;B[aq]C[hl782 [10k\]: now my nxt move
]
;W[br]C[hl782 [10k\]: is starting to look like an absolute mistake
]
;B[dr]))
(;W[ej]
;B[fk]
;W[fj]
;B[gk]))
(;B[nb]C[Hikky [-\]: if black plays here next, and white doesn't respond
Hikky [-\]: white dies
hl782 [10k\]: where would black play next
hl782 [10k\]: if white doesnt reply
hl782 [10k\]: r19?
]
(;W[]C[Hikky [-\]: hmmm
Hikky [-\]: no, I would just keep pushing in directly, to be honest
Hikky [-\]: in a situation like this,
Hikky [-\]: you should ask yourself this question:
Hikky [-\]: "is reducing my opponent's eyespace enough?  or do I need a "placement" to destroy his eyeshape?"
Hikky [-\]: in this case, reducing the eyespace is enough.  sometimes it is not.
Hikky [-\]: does that help?
hl782 [10k\]: yup
Hikky [-\]: okay
hl782 [10k\]: i think
hl782 [10k\]: r19 turns to a ko
]
(;B[ob]
;W[pb]
;B[rb]
;W[sb]
;B[ra]
(;W[qa]
;B[sd]C[Hikky [-\]: dead : )
])
(;W[sd]
;B[pa]C[hl782 [10k\]: ah
hl782 [10k\]: ill remember that
]
;W[qa]C[hl782 [10k\]: i see
]
;B[qb]C[hl782 [10k\]: got it
Hikky [-\]: and then white can't approach here
]))
(;B[qa]
;W[qb]C[Hikky [-\]: I think white lives
hl782 [10k\]: rather than p19
]
(;B[oa]C[Hikky [-\]: similar result
]
;W[ra]
(;B[pa]
;W[sb]C[Hikky [-\]: yeah
hl782 [10k\]: why not t18?
])
(;B[sb]
;W[pa]C[hl782 [10k\]: or q19
]))
(;B[pa]C[hl782 [10k\]: it does live i see
Hikky [-\]: the question about Q19 versus P19, when making a large monkey jump
Hikky [-\]: put simply, P19 is better shape
Hikky [-\]: it leaves the fewest ko threats for later,
Hikky [-\]: so Q19 is often considered "zokusuji", or "anti-suji" -- it's a move that is slightly inferior
hl782 [10k\]: got it
Hikky [-\]: when you get to my level of strength, every zokusuji starts to matter, hehe.  it's important to learn them, because if you make zokusuji after zokusuji, and lose 1 point here, 2 points there ... those points add up throughout the whole game, to many dozens of points!
hl782 [10k\]: got it
Hikky [-\]: (sorry, one moment, need to use the restroom)
Hikky [-\]: okay, back
]
;W[ra]
;B[ob]
;W[sb]C[hl782 [10k\]: ahh
])))
(;W[ob]C[Hikky [-\]: so,
Hikky [-\]: white has to defend here, yes?
hl782 [10k\]: yup
Hikky [-\]: now that that's happened, black can move on to another area
hl782 [10k\]: what abotu the cutting point at o16
Hikky [-\]: but playing that move now is urgent for black, since it is sente and has a large follow-up
hl782 [10k\]: i see
Hikky [-\]: the cut could be a little dangerous -- that's why I suggested continuing to extend rather than hane -- but that cut would be there even without O18
]
;B[]
;W[nd]
;B[lc]
;W[md]
;B[ld]
;W[rf]
;B[pf]
;W[se]
;B[pg]C[Hikky [-\]: black will probably be okay, with O18 -- it does help a little bit
]))
(;B[]C[hl782 [10k\]: got it
]
;W[nd]C[Hikky [-\]: without O18, it is even worse for black :x
hl782 [10k\]: yea thatd be bad
])
(;B[lq]TR[jp][lq][nq]C[hl782 [10k\]: cap on at m4
hl782 [10k\]: or actually can white even play n4
Hikky [-\]: this splits white into two weak groups, with black influence on *both* sides.  so white is really in a pickle, he can't defend both groups at once
Hikky [-\]: this invasion of a 3-space extension
hl782 [10k\]: mhm
Hikky [-\]: is a common situation, and there are middle-game josekis for dealing with it
Hikky [-\]: it's not very well-explored at the 10k level, but at dan-level and especially higher it is pretty well understood
hl782 [10k\]: yup i read a few in attack and defense x)
hl782 [10k\]: but i need to know them better
Hikky [-\]: actually it's funny ...
hl782 [10k\]: im just exposed to them
Hikky [-\]: I remember studying this exact situation with a sempai once,
Hikky [-\]: and I will never forget what he said after we were done
Hikky [-\]: he goes,
Hikky [-\]: wait ... it's in my info still I think ...
Hikky [-\]: yes, here it is
Hikky [-\]: "So in summary, have all ladders, then make crazy invasions, and never worry." - Shane talking about variations of a common 3-space extension invasion.
Hikky [-\]:  : )
hl782 [10k\]: haha okay
hl782 [10k\]: got it
Hikky [-\]: bottom line is, even in the worst case scenario, everything becomes a ladder.  black can always make some ladder pointed somewhere, so as long as at least one of them works, it is possible to invade here with impunity
Hikky [-\]: and with so much black influence here, it is certain at least one ladder will work for him
Hikky [-\]: but, the details are for you to study another time, maybe when you get a little stronger
Hikky [-\]: so.
Hikky [-\]: so, that's why M3 is effective
hl782 [10k\]: got it
Hikky [-\]: black can live on the inside, and then has cutting points available to cut white apart
Hikky [-\]: so no matter what, white gets split into two weak, attackable groups
Hikky [-\]: proverb:  "there is only one weak group on the board at any time.  any other weak groups are actually dead."
hl782 [10k\]: cool
Hikky [-\]: this is why you *never* see pro players make more than one weak group
]
(;W[lp]C[hl782 [10k\]: what if
hl782 [10k\]: white here
hl782 [10k\]: plays n4
hl782 [10k\]: instead of m4
]
(;B[mp]
;W[mq]
;B[kp]
;W[lo])
(;B[mq]
;W[mp]
;B[nr]
;W[oq]
;B[kq]C[Hikky [-\]: even just living on the inside,
Hikky [-\]: you might think, "black can't live here"
hl782 [10k\]: no i see black can live there x)
Hikky [-\]: but in fact white has so many cutting points ... white can't keep him contained : )
]
;W[jq]C[Hikky [-\]: even if white tries really hard,
]
;B[kp]
;W[ko]
;B[np]
;W[op]
;B[no]
;W[lo]
;B[oo]C[Hikky [-\]: it's just no good :p
]))
(;W[mp]C[hl782 [10k\]: a more severe attack
Hikky [-\]: you asked about this move
]
;B[lp]C[Hikky [-\]: ah
Hikky [-\]: yes it is
Hikky [-\]: so first, let me start by saying,
]
;W[lo]C[Hikky [-\]: and this follow-up, yes?
hl782 [10k\]: mhm
Hikky [-\]: it takes a little reading, but black can live on the inside here, with a tesuji
]
;B[nr]C[Hikky [-\]: O2 is the tesuji
Hikky [-\]: oh I see
Hikky [-\]: so N2 is an overplay
]
(;W[or]C[Hikky [-\]: white doesn't have to
]
;B[mr]
;W[op]
;B[jr]C[hl782 [10k\]: why does white go to
hl782 [10k\]: p2?
])
(;W[oq]C[hl782 [10k\]: or why not
Hikky [-\]: P3 is the strongest resistance to be sure
hl782 [10k\]: yup
hl782 [10k\]: cuz even with p2
]
(;B[jr]C[hl782 [10k\]: n2?
])
(;B[mq]C[hl782 [10k\]: black can still play that double atari threa
hl782 [10k\]: threat
Hikky [-\]: but then N3 is also threatening some ataris to get out or capture
Hikky [-\]: right
]
;W[mo]
;B[jr]C[Hikky [-\]: I don't want to get into too much detail here since it gets complicated, but
hl782 [10k\]: black lives
hl782 [10k\]: i can see how
Hikky [-\]: bottom line is, it is possible for black to live, pretty much every time
hl782 [10k\]: got it
Hikky [-\]: (with perfect play that is ... so you *should* study this and figure it out so that you know!)
hl782 [10k\]: black at j3
hl782 [10k\]: seems like a good play
Hikky [-\]: (it's easy to make mistakes)
]))
(;W[mr]
;B[mq]C[Hikky [-\]: N3 threatens double atari
hl782 [10k\]: ahh i see
]
;W[np]
;B[lr]C[hl782 [10k\]: and it lives
hl782 [10k\]: got it
Hikky [-\]: and then black caputres N2 and lives
Hikky [-\]: yup!
]))))
(;B[nd]C[Hikky [-\]: you may even want to just keep extending
Hikky [-\]: to avoid complications
]))
(;W[rd]C[Hikky [-\]: usually white plays this hane *first*,
]
;B[re]
;W[rc]
;B[qe]C[Hikky [-\]: and then, after the hane,
]
;W[nc]C[Hikky [-\]: white can safely jump out further
hl782 [10k\]: mm
Hikky [-\]: so, just pushing directly is a little soft of white
]))
(;B[oc]TR[qf]C[rkdmf [4k\]: i remember that ^^
Hikky [-\]: yes
hl782 [10k\]: yup
hl782 [10k\]: s17
Hikky [-\]: playing P17 when R14 on the board is *very* punishable
hl782 [10k\]: whites like
hl782 [10k\]: which poison do ya want
Hikky [-\]: withough R14 though, black *can* play P17 and it's good
Hikky [-\]: the punishment for P17 is actually one of my favorite tsumegos
Hikky [-\]: but let's keep going
]
;W[rc]))
(;W[hp]
;B[eo]))
(;B[eo]C[Hikky [-\]: this double-knight's move is probably most common
hmmm: but here white has h3
Hikky [-\]: yes indeed, he does
Hikky [-\]: white's next step is usually to cut and start a fight
Hikky [-\]: since he has H3, he probably wants to do this on the bottom side
Hikky [-\]: since he has more support there
]
;W[ep]C[Laon [10k\]: yea
]
;B[fp]
;W[fo]C[hl782 [10k\]: i see
Hikky [-\]: this situation seems a bit tricky for black
hl782 [10k\]: yea in the game i was a bit worried about this exact outcome actually
Hikky [-\]: definitely one of the more difficult joseki variations
hl782 [10k\]: so i played h4 first, then played e6
Hikky [-\]: and rightfully so!, hehe
Hikky [-\]: so.
Hikky [-\]: black has two cut groups here
Hikky [-\]: any thoughts about which to defend first?
hl782 [10k\]: probs the one on the bottom right?
hl782 [10k\]: i can see j4
Hikky [-\]: yes, I would agree.  since white has H3, the bottom group is a bit more threatened
xyzw [10k\]: maybe h4 too, threaten a counterattack?
Hikky [-\]: J4 for black next, you mean?
hl782 [10k\]: i think i would play
hl782 [10k\]: g5 first
hl782 [10k\]: white would extend
]
(;B[go]
;W[fn]C[hl782 [10k\]: then id go j4
]
(;B[ip]C[hl782 [10k\]: oh i mean h4
])
(;B[hp]LB[fn:2][go:1][hp:3]C[hl782 [10k\]: not j4
hl782 [10k\]: yes
Hikky [-\]: okay, good
Hikky [-\]: this has the right kind of idea
Hikky [-\]: black needs to get out with his group, and not get sealed in where he can't live
Hikky [-\]: there's only one problem ...
Laon [10k\]: white can attack his e 5 stones tho
Hikky [-\]: white's next move is likely to be ... D6
hl782 [10k\]: ahh i see
hl782 [10k\]: just play
hl782 [10k\]: h4 then
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;W[dn]C[hl782 [10k\]: yup
hl782 [10k\]: then id play
Laon [10k\]: c 8
hl782 [10k\]: c8
Hikky [-\]: if white gets to play this, white will have escaped, and black will not succeed at sealing white in
Hikky [-\]: so ... probably a no-go, right?
hl782 [10k\]: hmmm
hl782 [10k\]: if i play c8
hl782 [10k\]: isnt that a pretty decent tradeoff?
hl782 [10k\]: what if
Hikky [-\]: so.
Hikky [-\]: what we really want
Hikky [-\]: is a way for white to not get a move like D6
hl782 [10k\]: yes
Hikky [-\]: in Go there is a certain proverb, you may have heard it before ...
Hikky [-\]: "rather than playing 1-2-3, just play 3"
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(;B[cl]C[Hikky [-\]: well,
Hikky [-\]: white wanted to split black into two weak groups, right?
hl782 [10k\]: mhm
Hikky [-\]: and black wanted to seal white in
mythical [1k\]: white has k 3 too
Hikky [-\]: who got to accomplish their goals?
hl782 [10k\]: white
Hikky [-\]: yes.  white succeeded at his goal, while black did not ...
hl782 [10k\]: i see
Hikky [-\]: so, I don't think that is a fair trade
]
;W[cj]C[Hikky [-\]: what if white attacks this group next?
]
;B[dm]
;W[em]
;B[el]
;W[fl]
;B[ek]
;W[fk]
;B[ej]
;W[dh]
;B[fj]
;W[hk]C[Hikky [-\]: could lead to a pretty serious attack
Laon [10k\]: good result for W
Hikky [-\]: and after white builds some influence,
hl782 [10k\]: i see i see
]
;B[hj]
;W[ij]
;B[hi]
;W[ik]
;B[ii]
(;W[iq]C[hl782 [10k\]: now black's lower group
hl782 [10k\]: is in trouble again
Hikky [-\]: exactly!
Hikky [-\]: you have pretty good go sense for a 10k : )
Hikky [-\]: so.
hl782 [10k\]: thanks
hl782 [10k\]: i havent played too long though (aroudn 5-6 weeks now)
hl782 [10k\]: so im still lost alot haha
Hikky [-\]: hehe, no problem
Hikky [-\]: but for now, you can see why this result is not so good for black
Hikky [-\]: so let's move on ...
])
(;W[fh]C[hl782 [10k\]: black plays j4*
hl782 [10k\]: since black would be able to invade the lower left corner
hl782 [10k\]: if that situation rose
hl782 [10k\]: but you know better than I - lets contine :)
Hikky [-\]: er, come again?
Hikky [-\]: how would black invade that corner?
hl782 [10k\]: ummm
hl782 [10k\]: could you go to the end ofthat variation
hl782 [10k\]: ?
]
(;B[jq]C[hl782 [10k\]: j3*
Hikky [-\]: even if black ends up safe on the bottom,
hl782 [10k\]: mhm
Hikky [-\]: black still has a group that's a bit weak, and white has built up a lot of influence.
Laon [10k\]: black still isent fully settled in the center
hl782 [10k\]: hmmm
Hikky [-\]: black can't really develop the bottom side much anymore,
Hikky [-\]: since white has influence pointing down towards it
Hikky [-\]: it will be easy for white to ruin any framework down there
hl782 [10k\]: instead of k3
hl782 [10k\]: what if white plays j4
])
(;B[ip]C[Hikky [-\]: same kind of result, though J4 is a little bit slack
hl782 [10k\]: is it still thesame?
hl782 [10k\]: i thoguht this would be a half decent result
]
;W[iq]C[Hikky [-\]: white can live here
]
;B[jq]
;W[jr]
;B[kq]
;W[kr]
;B[lq]
;W[gr]C[hl782 [10k\]: isnt that pretty decent for black though?
]
;B[fr]TR[cf][cg]C[hl782 [10k\]: letting white crawl and negating white's influence up center?
Hikky [-\]: to live?  while making no points?  :p
mythical [1k\]: or even sacrifice to make position near it
Hikky [-\]: it's true black has negated some of white's influence, but ...
Hikky [-\]: white got a lot of points in the marked area
Hikky [-\]: black is now behind
hl782 [10k\]: i see
Hikky [-\]: so, it's not a total disaster for black, but he fell behind by a bit
hl782 [10k\]: i see
hl782 [10k\]: c2
hl782 [10k\]: or
]
;W[lr]C[hl782 [10k\]: c1
]
;B[cs]C[hl782 [10k\]: let us continue :)
]
;W[cr]
;B[es]
;W[bs]
;B[ds]
;W[ar]C[Hikky [-\]: this is mostly just an endgame reduction
hl782 [10k\]: i see
Hikky [-\]: since white is already alive anyway, it is just a small points thing
Hikky [-\]: best left for the macro-endgame at the earliest
hl782 [10k\]: hm i see
hl782 [10k\]: okay
])))
(;B[iq]
;W[cm]C[hl782 [10k\]: yes
Hikky [-\]: this is another possibility,
hl782 [10k\]: wait well what i was gonna say was
Hikky [-\]: okay, go ahead?
hl782 [10k\]: what if after black manages to get to center for a bit
hl782 [10k\]: black gets to play k3 before white does
hl782 [10k\]: lol sorry im a very greedy go player xD i wanna keep everything alive if possible hehehe
Laon [10k\]: j3 better than k3
hl782 [10k\]: or yes j3 for example
Hikky [-\]: hehe, no problem -- I am stubborn the same way, so let's clarify : )
])))
(;B[hp]C[Hikky [-\]: right : )
Hikky [-\]: this helps black to get out into the center better,
Hikky [-\]: but now white can't capture the cutting stone of E5
Hikky [-\]: that cutting stone is important!
rkdmf [4k\]: but this one seemed nicer
Hikky [-\]: yes.  if you are about your level of strength or higher I would not recommend "merely" capturing the cutting stone
Hikky [-\]: just trying to review for a 10k here not a 4k or 1d ; )
]
;W[do]C[hl782 [10k\]: ahhhhh i see
]
;B[en]C[rkdmf [4k\]: the one where white gets to double hane felt really sketchy to me, especially since white can choose when to play it
]
;W[dn]
(;B[fn]C[Hikky [-\]: if something like this happens,
Hikky [-\]: now black is the one building major central influence
Hikky [-\]: it will still end up being a running battle,
Hikky [-\]: but at least black has something to fight for here -- it's not just white pushing around a weak black group
])
(;B[em]
;W[dm]
(;B[gn]C[Hikky [-\]: if black is lucky,
Hikky [-\]: white will even let him capture F5 (white's cutting stone), which is a huge victory!
hl782 [10k\]: i see
hl782 [10k\]: what about the territory
Hikky [-\]: of course, a strong player will not allow this :p
hl782 [10k\]: that white has gotten
hl782 [10k\]: on the left side
hl782 [10k\]: basically building along the 4th line
hl782 [10k\]: and white has that massive wall up top
xyzw [10k\]: there is aji with c6
Hikky [-\]: yes.  so let's talk about that.  white did get an ample amount of secure territory, didn't he
xyzw [10k\]: for invasion
Hikky [-\]: can you tell me what did black get in return?
hl782 [10k\]: massive massive influence
hl782 [10k\]: on the outside
Hikky [-\]: yes, exactly
rkdmf [4k\]: doesn't black have problems here too, like white's hane?
Hikky [-\]: so the question is,
Hikky [-\]: mm, sorry hold on a minute rkdmf, want to finish this point first
Hikky [-\]: the question is, "how valuable will black's influence be in the future?"
Hikky [-\]: this question is tough to answer without a lot of experience at the game
Hikky [-\]: in general, stronger players are better at making more value out of it than weaker players -- this much is true
Hikky [-\]: but to give you some peace of mind,
Hikky [-\]: I'm about 1d in strength, and I would prefer black here by a decent margin
hl782 [10k\]: i see
Hikky [-\]: black is unquestionably alive and secure,
Hikky [-\]: and this position radiates a LOT of influence along the bottom side and in the center
Hikky [-\]: now, black has the possibility to create a framework down there
Hikky [-\]: and since he is so thick and alive, it will be hard to reduce that framework
Hikky [-\]: so think of the influence as an "investment"
Hikky [-\]: it gains value over time, affecting other future positions there
hl782 [10k\]: got it
Hikky [-\]: it has lower value now,
hl782 [10k\]: i like influence
Hikky [-\]: but its value will increase over time (with proper management)
hl782 [10k\]: yes
Hikky [-\]: make sense?
hl782 [10k\]: yup
Hikky [-\]: cool
hl782 [10k\]: im just not that knowledgeable in 'proper management'
hl782 [10k\]: so i would have been hesitant to play this way x)
hl782 [10k\]: but your point is very valid!
Hikky [-\]: hehe, it's okay -- that will come in time.  I hate saying "you have to take it for granted", I never liked doing that myself, but ... sometimes it's a little bit true
hl782 [10k\]: yup
Hikky [-\]: now, rkdmf asked a question,
Hikky [-\]: what about white's hane?
hl782 [10k\]: hmmm i see i see
Hikky [-\]: either way,
hl782 [10k\]: very valuable indeed
Hikky [-\]: black doesn't have to play G6 either,
Hikky [-\]: if black is confident in his fighting,
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(;W[ip]C[Hikky [-\]: this you mean?
rkdmf [4k\]: the other one
rkdmf [4k\]: e8
])
(;W[el]C[rkdmf [4k\]: doesn't black have a shape issue?
Hikky [-\]: black does have a bit of a shape issue, but he can continue this running pattern and make even more influence too
]
;B[fl]
;W[fk]
;B[ek]
;W[dl]
;B[gl]
;W[ej]
;B[gk]
;W[fj]C[Hikky [-\]: white gets a lot, but ...
]
;B[nq]C[hl782 [10k\]: damn thats so much for white
Hikky [-\]: look at black's potential bottom side, too
Schachus12 [7k\]: yes the left looks real big now
Hikky [-\]: indeed it is
Hikky [-\]: white's area is more secure, black's is more speculative but it *is* in fact "bigger"
hl782 [10k\]: i see..
hl782 [10k\]: what if here white splits
Hikky [-\]: come again?
Hikky [-\]: when, now?
hl782 [10k\]: r3
hl782 [10k\]: yup
]
(;W[mp]
;B[mq]
;W[kp]C[hl782 [10k\]: at r3? or so
])
(;W[qq]C[hl782 [10k\]: or
hl782 [10k\]: r10
Hikky [-\]: no biggie, white is just taking a corner
Hikky [-\]: also, R3 can only become a ko shape
Hikky [-\]: it can't live on its own with black O3 there
hl782 [10k\]: i see
])
(;W[pj]C[hl782 [10k\]: what about r10?
hl782 [10k\]: yup
]
;B[pl]C[hl782 [10k\]: q13 or 14
Hikky [-\]: black just keeps matching white's height to complete his framework
]
;W[pg]
;B[nc])))
(;B[el]C[Hikky [-\]: black should keep extending
Hikky [-\]: this is "better" but also riskier
Hikky [-\]: I usually don't like to explore too much risk with weaker players
Hikky [-\]: but this is a very valid way of playing
hl782 [10k\]: got it
Hikky [-\]: does that help everyone?
Hikky [-\]: rkdmf, maybe this line of play seems better to you, yes?
rkdmf [4k\]: yes
Hikky [-\]: okay, good : )
Hikky [-\]: shall we move on then?  any more questions about this position?
hl782 [10k\]: got it
hl782 [10k\]: yup
hl782 [10k\]: lets go back to the real game!
Hikky [-\]: ok!
])))))