(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[1500]OT[5x30 byo-yomi]
PW[Passw]PB[hl782]WR[8k]BR[9k]DT[2015-06-22]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]RE[W+33.50]
;B[pd]BL[1496.304]C[hl782 [9k\]: yea
hl782 [9k\]: i got smoked against this guy
hl782 [9k\]: cut me up left and right :/
hl782 [9k\]: u want control?
Hikky [-\]: hmmm
hl782 [9k\]: (he even let me undo a few moves...)
Hikky [-\]: sounds like he has a more highly developed reading strength
Hikky [-\]: let's see
]
;W[pp]WL[1498.348]C[Passw [8k\]: hi gg
]
;B[dd]BL[1488.042]
;W[dp]WL[1497.226]C[hl782 [9k\]: hi gg
]
;B[cn]BL[1483.669]
;W[cf]WL[1490.638]C[hl782 [9k\]: ive never gotten this trounced
]
;B[fc]BL[1480.31]C[hl782 [9k\]: against an 8 k before
]
;W[bd]WL[1487.539]
;B[cc]BL[1478.473]C[Hikky [-\]: hehe
]
;W[bc]WL[1485.606]C[Hikky [-\]: well that's good
Hikky [-\]: games where you get trounced are the best to learn from : )
Hikky [-\]: so as it turns out
Hikky [-\]: this move is too small to be played so early
hl782 [9k\]: mhm
Hikky [-\]: eventually white wants to settle, right?
hl782 [9k\]: mhm
Hikky [-\]: black should pincer white here to punish
hl782 [9k\]: hi yoyoma
hl782 [9k\]: ahh...
hl782 [9k\]: got it
]
(;B[db]BL[1461.978]
;W[cd]WL[1482.396]
;B[de]BL[1455.122]
;W[cl]WL[1479.188]C[Hikky [-\]: goodness
Hikky [-\]: this corner is so awkward hehe
hl782 [9k\]: i contemplated alot here
]
;B[en]BL[1428.84]
;W[ci]WL[1477.09]
(;B[cq]BL[1419.544]C[Hikky [-\]: hmm, I see
hl782 [9k\]: wasnt sure about the 3-3
hl782 [9k\]: 3-3 joseki
]
;W[cp]WL[1475.41]
;B[dq]BL[1417.289]
;W[eq]WL[1470.849]C[Hikky [-\]: oh
Hikky [-\]: *lol*
Hikky [-\]:  : )
]
;B[bq]BL[1412.694]C[hl782 [9k\]: so i got some profit from this
]
;W[bp]WL[1468.538]C[hl782 [9k\]: but after this
hl782 [9k\]: i got wrecked
Hikky [-\]: ooooh he took the bait!
]
;B[ep]BL[1410.189]
;W[eo]WL[1467.425]
;B[fp]BL[1405.963]C[Hikky [-\]: did I mention how much I love this punishment variation?
]
;W[do]WL[1466.035]C[hl782 [9k\]: hahaha
hl782 [9k\]: yes
]
;B[fq]BL[1385.71]
;W[dn]WL[1463.369]
;B[fo]BL[1324.22]
;W[fn]WL[1454.728]
(;B[gn]BL[1321.548]C[hl782 [9k\]: i didnt capitalize him
]
;W[fm]WL[1451.177]C[Hikky [-\]: hmmm
hl782 [9k\]: yeah like
hl782 [9k\]: on the punishment
hl782 [9k\]: poor extension
]
(;B[lp]BL[1309.012]C[hl782 [9k\]: i thought it was
Hikky [-\]: yes, this higher extension is single-purpose
hl782 [9k\]: 4 stones 5 leaps
Hikky [-\]: while the approach is dual-purpose, an extension as well as a good approach
hl782 [9k\]: okay
hl782 [9k\]: then after here
hl782 [9k\]: he came swooping in
hl782 [9k\]: and idk how to take care of it
Hikky [-\]: n+1 leaps is not a strict rule, you can stray a bit if there is good reason to
hl782 [9k\]: i realize i dont know how to take care of invasions that well
hl782 [9k\]: ok
Hikky [-\]: since the benefit of a regular approach is greater, and the wall is thick and unattackable, it's safe to extend farther
hl782 [9k\]: got i
Hikky [-\]: if you get invaded, you fight back against the corner harder
hl782 [9k\]: got it*
]
;W[ip]WL[1443.961]C[hl782 [9k\]: no wait
hl782 [9k\]: that worked
hl782 [9k\]: haha
hl782 [9k\]: right?
Hikky [-\]: sort of
hl782 [9k\]: after blocking whites atari
yoyoma [1k\]: need lots of reading but if it works it's nice  :)
Hikky [-\]: worked or not though,
hl782 [9k\]: it was miai
Hikky [-\]: it still runs counter to the right idea here,
Hikky [-\]: which is to help black's weak group
hl782 [9k\]: what do you mean?
Hikky [-\]: no weak groups = number one motto : )
hl782 [9k\]: doesnt k5
hl782 [9k\]: protect
yoyoma [1k\]: I kinda thought K5 does help M4
hl782 [9k\]: the lone m4 stone
]
(;B[ho]BL[1294.622]C[hl782 [9k\]: yeah
hl782 [9k\]: ihad no idea 
]
;W[io]WL[1436.982]C[hl782 [9k\]: how to take care of that
]
;B[in]BL[1292.668]
;W[ko]WL[1435.19]C[Hikky [-\]: these black moves,
Hikky [-\]: they "push from strength"
Hikky [-\]: which is a directional mistake
hl782 [9k\]: i see
]
;B[lo]BL[1236.703]
;W[jn]WL[1428.931]C[hl782 [9k\]: i need more
]
;B[oo]BL[1225.188]C[hl782 [9k\]: whole board
hl782 [9k\]: sense
]
;W[nq]WL[1424.246]C[hl782 [9k\]: i just got split up into pieces there :(
Hikky [-\]: for me at least, whole board sense comes with connecting up the fundamental ideas to eachother
Hikky [-\]: it comes out of low-level understanding rather than high-level
Hikky [-\]: it's less about counting or about positional judgment and more about proverbs and shapes I guess
]
;B[ln]BL[1199.198]
;W[im]WL[1414.682]
;B[hn]BL[1184.486]
;W[km]WL[1413.617]
;B[po]BL[1098.144]
;W[qp]WL[1404.927]
;B[qo]BL[1079.727]
;W[nc]WL[1397.08]
(;B[pj]BL[1071.631]C[Hikky [-\]: Q10 was pretty good : )
hl782 [9k\]: i thoguht it was okay
Hikky [-\]: another dual-purpose move
]
;W[qf]WL[1395.815]C[hl782 [9k\]: i was thinking abotu m17
]
(;B[oe]BL[1064.915]
;W[rj]WL[1391.546]C[hl782 [9k\]: i see
Hikky [-\]: sure
]
(;B[oc]BL[1050.676]
;W[nd]WL[1386.057]
;B[ne]BL[1034.572]
;W[rd]WL[1381.585]
;B[qc]BL[1030.071]
;W[kd]WL[1375.205]
;B[me]BL[995.264]
;W[ql]WL[1369.789]C[hl782 [9k\]: yeah
hl782 [9k\]: there
hl782 [9k\]: after like l16
hl782 [9k\]: i was just so upset
Hikky [-\]: I was surprised here that white didn't defend the top
hl782 [9k\]: cuz i thought i let him settle
hl782 [9k\]: way too easily
hl782 [9k\]: everywhere
]
;B[ro]BL[976.416]
;W[rp]WL[1364.682]
;B[oq]BL[919.299]
;W[op]WL[1359.657]
;B[np]BL[917.127]
;W[or]WL[1356.34]
;B[mq]BL[915.046]
;W[nr]WL[1352.395]C[hl782 [9k\]: oh whut
]
(;B[nn]BL[906.539]C[Hikky [-\]: ah!
Hikky [-\]: this connection isn't really that necessary ^^
]
;W[pi]WL[1342.231]
;B[oj]BL[895.592]
;W[qj]WL[1316.874]
;B[ph]BL[880.556]C[Hikky [-\]: haha, interesting clamp
]
;W[oi]WL[1309.381]
(;B[pf]BL[867.499]
;W[qh]WL[1308.086]C[Hikky [-\]: awwww
hl782 [9k\]: i think
Hikky [-\]: you gotta use it though!
hl782 [9k\]: i shuld have
hl782 [9k\]: pepped
]
;B[qg]BL[857.618]
;W[rg]WL[1307.055]
;B[pg]BL[856.006]
;W[rf]WL[1304.682]
(;B[ol]BL[842.061]
;W[pk]WL[1298.739]
;B[ok]BL[839.582]
;W[ni]WL[1296.216]C[Hikky [-\]: ahhhh
hl782 [9k\]: yeah
hl782 [9k\]: at this point i was like
hl782 [9k\]: ......
Hikky [-\]: white getting out here is pretty big : (
hl782 [9k\]: yeah
]
(;B[ld]BL[762.924]C[hl782 [9k\]: o11 to seal
]
;W[lc]WL[1292.474]C[hl782 [9k\]: if i play
]
(;B[ke]BL[761.054]
;W[jd]WL[1286.56]C[hl782 [9k\]: what happens if white cuts
]
;B[jb]BL[756.072]
;W[kb]WL[1284.333]
;B[jc]BL[747.666]
;W[kc]WL[1282.004]
;B[hb]BL[726.137]
;W[md]WL[1279.596]
;B[le]BL[724.06]
;W[ob]WL[1271.129]
;B[pb]BL[665.961]
;W[oa]WL[1266.483]
;B[mb]BL[656.442]C[Hikky [-\]: nice : )
]
;W[nb]WL[1260.746]
;B[je]BL[652.438]C[hl782 [9k\]: i didnt realize
hl782 [9k\]: n19
hl782 [9k\]: was ssente
]
;W[id]WL[1256.709]
;B[ie]BL[649.358]
;W[hd]WL[1254.819]
(;B[hc]BL[641.203]
;W[ic]WL[1249.788]
;B[ib]BL[638.329]
;W[gd]WL[1248.67]
;B[fe]BL[627.914]
;W[ge]WL[1245.043]
;B[gf]BL[625.586]
;W[fd]WL[1243.915]
;B[ef]BL[565.187]
;W[gc]WL[1223.674]
;B[gb]BL[536.681]
;W[ec]WL[1221.844]
;B[fb]BL[528.593]
;W[ed]WL[1220.787]
;B[dc]BL[519.242]
;W[ee]WL[1217.884]
;B[df]BL[496.45]
;W[eb]WL[1214.594]
;B[ea]BL[493.889]
;W[ff]WL[1212.026]
;B[fg]BL[491.431]
;W[hf]WL[1210.932]
;B[gg]BL[487.311]
;W[he]WL[1209.115]
;B[ig]BL[481.197]
;W[if]WL[1207.13]
;B[jg]BL[478.594]
;W[hg]WL[1205.87]
;B[hh]BL[476.432]
;W[ma]WL[1201.207]C[hl782 [9k\]: lol
Hikky [-\]: hehe
hl782 [9k\]: all that for nothing...
Hikky [-\]: it's not nothing just yet
Hikky [-\]: there is still a two-step ko here :p
hl782 [9k\]: huh?
]
(;B[ce]BL[332.954]
;W[bf]WL[1194.014]
;B[eh]BL[314.992]
;W[dg]WL[1181.641]
;B[eg]BL[311.916]
;W[dh]WL[1180.732]
;B[ii]BL[307.653]
;W[jf]WL[1173.907]
;B[kg]BL[304.725]
;W[kf]WL[1171.177]
;B[mg]BL[302.853]
;W[lf]WL[1169.614]
;B[lg]BL[299.862]
;W[lb]WL[1164.872]C[Hikky [-\]: okay, so
Hikky [-\]: you did remove your threats
Hikky [-\]: and then W had to patch up
Hikky [-\]: so that's good
]
;B[bb]BL[282.012]
;W[be]WL[1158.984]
;B[gl]BL[266.662]
;W[kj]WL[1129.422]
;B[li]BL[251.619]
;W[lj]WL[1127.255]
;B[mi]BL[249.908]
;W[mj]WL[1123.854]
;B[nj]BL[249.189]C[Hikky [-\]: nice cut  :)
]
;W[ml]WL[1121.725]C[Hikky [-\]: so W lived then, surely
Hikky [-\]: and that was game?
hl782 [9k\]: well
]
;B[jl]BL[240.648]C[hl782 [9k\]: something else happened
]
;W[il]WL[1116.176]
;B[jk]BL[238.207]
;W[ik]WL[1112.84]
;B[jj]BL[236.382]
;W[jm]WL[1111.92]C[hl782 [9k\]: i made
]
;B[hl]BL[194.797]C[hl782 [9k\]: one last effort
]
;W[kq]WL[1104.818]C[hl782 [9k\]: me
Hikky [-\]: yeah
hl782 [9k\]: i was planning to see if i culd get that
hl782 [9k\]: entire white gruop in the middle
Hikky [-\]: eh
hl782 [9k\]: yea
]
(;B[lm]BL[139.043]C[hl782 [9k\]: but
]
;W[kl]WL[1099.635]C[hl782 [9k\]: that move
]
;B[ll]BL[137.253]
;W[kk]WL[1098]
(;B[mk]BL[135.141]C[hl782 [9k\]: l3
hl782 [9k\]: sorta just killed
]
;W[lr]WL[1091.352]
;B[mr]BL[110.481]C[Hikky [-\]: yeah
hl782 [9k\]: this game i missed all my timing
]
;W[ms]WL[1087.869]
;B[kp]BL[79.715]
;W[jp]WL[1079.539]
;B[ir]BL[40.771]
;W[jr]WL[1075.506]
;B[iq]BL[32.758]
;W[hp]WL[1049.565]
;B[gr]BL[10.492]
;W[hq]WL[1044.558]
;B[hr]BL[8.344]
;W[jq]WL[1043.064]
;B[em]BL[30]OB[5]
;W[el]WL[1035.137]
;B[fl]BL[30]OB[5]
;W[dm]WL[1032.456]
;B[sp]BL[30]OB[5]
;W[sq]WL[1029.175]
;B[so]BL[30]OB[5]
;W[rr]WL[1026.646]
;B[rl]BL[30]OB[5]C[hl782 [9k\]: from here it was just
]
;W[rm]WL[1022.838]
;B[sm]BL[30]OB[5]
;W[rk]WL[1017.504]
;B[sl]BL[30]OB[5]
;W[sk]WL[1015.39]
;B[sn]BL[30]OB[5]
;W[pm]WL[1011.648]
;B[pl]BL[30]OB[5]
;W[qk]WL[1009.593]C[hl782 [9k\]: endgame
]
;B[om]BL[30]OB[5]
;W[ri]WL[1002.122]C[hl782 [9k\]: i got smoekd
]
;B[nh]BL[30]OB[5]
;W[rc]WL[993.352]
;B[oh]BL[30]OB[5]
;W[qi]WL[990.603]
;B[qe]BL[30]OB[5]
;W[re]WL[988.416]
;B[rb]BL[30]OB[5]
;W[sb]WL[986.969]
;B[qa]BL[30]OB[5]C[Hikky [-\]: yeah nothing but endgame left
]
;W[od]WL[970.206]
;B[pc]BL[30]OB[5]
;W[qd]WL[969.12]
;B[pe]BL[30]OB[5]
;W[mf]WL[961.887]
;B[nf]BL[30]OB[5]
;W[ki]WL[956.31]
;B[kh]BL[30]OB[5]
;W[ij]WL[950.213]C[Hikky [-\]: I want to know who got the double sente on the left side that sat there all game long xD
]
;B[ji]BL[30]OB[5]
;W[gj]WL[949.139]C[hl782 [9k\]: sorry
hl782 [9k\]: bad connectin
]
;B[gi]BL[30]OB[4]
;W[fj]WL[938.503]
;B[ej]BL[30]OB[4]
;W[fi]WL[935.839]
;B[ei]BL[30]OB[4]
;W[dk]WL[927.117]
;B[dj]BL[30]OB[4]C[Passw [8k\]: np
]
;W[cj]WL[923.971]
;B[fk]BL[30]OB[4]
;W[ek]WL[915.507]
;B[lq]BL[30]OB[4]
;W[is]WL[899.364]C[hl782 [9k\]: which point?
]
;B[ks]BL[30]OB[4]
;W[js]WL[896.451]
;B[hs]BL[30]OB[4]C[Hikky [-\]: you'll know it when you see it
]
;W[ls]WL[892.761]
;B[kn]BL[30]OB[4]
;W[jo]WL[890.579]
;B[hj]BL[30]OB[4]
;W[hk]WL[888.875]
;B[gk]BL[30]OB[4]
;W[hi]WL[887.596]
;B[gh]BL[30]OB[4]
;W[hj]WL[886.023]C[hl782 [9k\]: hehe oay
Hikky [-\]: you'd think you need to play G5
hl782 [9k\]: im gonna go challenge someone else to a game
hl782 [9k\]: yeah
Hikky [-\]: but you can omit it
Hikky [-\]: the double sente is bigger
]
(;B[go]BL[30]OB[4]C[hl782 [9k\]: for a while
]
;W[gq]WL[879.804]C[hl782 [9k\]: you are
hl782 [9k\]: very strong
hl782 [9k\]: i havent gotten this crushed
]
;B[fr]BL[30]OB[4]C[hl782 [9k\]: strongest 8k ive played against
hl782 [9k\]: by far
]
;W[aq]WL[866.338]C[Hikky [-\]: white did!
Hikky [-\]: hehe
]
;B[ar]BL[30]OB[4]
;W[ap]WL[865.38]
;B[bs]BL[30]OB[4]
;W[ab]WL[840.948]
;B[ca]BL[30]OB[4]C[hl782 [9k\]: yup
hl782 [9k\]: i got
hl782 [9k\]: wrecked
]
;W[ja]WL[832.79]
;B[ia]BL[30]OB[4]
;W[ka]WL[831.939]
;B[fe]BL[30]OB[4]
;W[di]WL[823.385]
;B[ff]BL[30]OB[4]
;W[kr]WL[812.716]
;B[lk]BL[30]OB[4]
;W[hm]WL[801.293]
;B[gm]BL[30]OB[4]
;W[sa]WL[786.166]
;B[ra]BL[30]OB[4]
;W[sc]WL[783.14]
;B[pa]BL[30]OB[4]
;W[pn]WL[777.454]
;B[rn]BL[30]OB[4]
;W[qm]WL[775.257]
;B[on]BL[30]OB[3]
;W[sh]WL[769.044]
;B[ba]BL[30]OB[3]
;W[ac]WL[764.123]
;B[]BL[30]OB[3]
;W[]WL[764.121]TW[la][na][mb][mc][ad][sd][ae][se][af][sf][ag][bg][cg][sg][ah][bh][ch][rh][ai][bi][si][aj][bj][sj][ak][bk][ck][al][bl][dl][am][bm][cm][em][an][bn][cn][en][ao][bo][co][oq][pq][qq][rq][pr][qr][sr][ks][ns][os][ps][qs][rs][ss]TB[da][fa][ga][ha][cb][qb][of][ng][og][ih][jh][lh][mh][nk][ml][nl][mm][nm][mn][mo][no][mp][eq][br][cr][dr][er][as][cs][ds][es][fs][gs]C[hl782 [9k\]: i have lost
hl782 [9k\]: good game
Passw [8k\]: ty gg
])
(;B[lk]BL[30]OB[4]
;W[hm]WL[881.781]
;B[gm]BL[30]OB[4]
;W[go]WL[880.12])
(;B[ap]
(;W[gm]
;B[an]C[hl782 [9k\]: wow rlly lol
]
;W[al]C[hl782 [9k\]: okay i see
])
(;W[ao]
;B[aq]C[hl782 [9k\]: thanks hikky :)
]
;W[bn]C[Hikky [-\]: surely : )
Hikky [-\]: hope you learned something
hl782 [9k\]: most definitely did
Hikky [-\]: remember: key ideas!  manage weak groups, keep opponent separated as long as you can do that
Hikky [-\]: when in doubt, move out.  push towards strength.  etc.
hl782 [9k\]: hehe okay
hl782 [9k\]: check out teh game im playing
hl782 [9k\]: and see if i observe those principles this time x)
Hikky [-\]: hehe, okay
])))
(;B[lq]C[hl782 [9k\]: yeah
hl782 [9k\]: :/
Hikky [-\]: yup ^^ ah well, these things happen
]))
(;B[lr])
(;B[lq]
;W[kr]C[hl782 [9k\]: yeah
hl782 [9k\]: and that was game
]
;B[lr]C[hl782 [9k\]: i didnt play that
]
;W[hr]C[hl782 [9k\]: i should have replied
hl782 [9k\]: he ended up playing at m2
]
;B[kp]
;W[jp]
;B[hq]
;W[ir]
;B[gr]C[Hikky [-\]: still seems W can be killed
]))
(;B[la]
;W[ka]
;B[na]C[hl782 [9k\]: ohhhhhh
hl782 [9k\]: wow
Hikky [-\]: if black fills, white dies
hl782 [9k\]: i missed the ko
Hikky [-\]: but ... white has so many local threats
hl782 [9k\]: yeah
Hikky [-\]: I doubt black can stomach it
Hikky [-\]: still
hl782 [9k\]: worth struggling for
Hikky [-\]: you can leave this for endgame later when you've removed the biggest local threats
]))
(;B[ma]C[Hikky [-\]: hey
]
;W[mc]C[hl782 [9k\]: hi
]))
(;B[kc]C[Hikky [-\]: if you're gonna play M16, gotta cut at least ^^
]
;W[kb]
;B[jc]
;W[md]
;B[le]
;W[mb]
;B[ob]
;W[nb]
;B[jb]
;W[la]
;B[eg]))
(;B[lc]C[Hikky [-\]: if you want to capture those stones you can play here
]
;W[ld]
;B[md]
;W[mc]
(;B[kc]C[Hikky [-\]: white can't capture these black hehe
]
;W[jc]
;B[jb]
;W[ib]
;B[ic]
;W[jd]
;B[kb]
;W[hc]
;B[mb])
(;B[lb]C[Hikky [-\]: this is even stiffer
]
;W[jc]
;B[nb])))
(;B[ni]C[Hikky [-\]: just sealing white in is sufficient I think
]
(;W[ol]
;B[nl]
;W[ok]
;B[nk])
(;W[nj]
;B[oh]
;W[qi]
;B[ol]C[Hikky [-\]: black runs
]
;W[nk]
;B[pl]C[hl782 [9k\]: hhmm...
Hikky [-\]: all sides alive : )
hl782 [9k\]: i see
Hikky [-\]: white cut has no meaning anymore
])))
(;B[qh]C[hl782 [9k\]: yeah
]
;W[oh]
;B[pg]C[hl782 [9k\]: i messed up there
]
;W[qi]
;B[og]))
(;B[ic]
;W[no]
;B[nn]C[hl782 [9k\]: considering
hl782 [9k\]: how the rest of the game went
hl782 [9k\]: that development
hl782 [9k\]: wulda been rlly helpful
Hikky [-\]: seeing this counter-atari shape here, is just ... reading.  that's why I say tsumego will help
hl782 [9k\]: near the bottom...
]
;W[mp]C[hl782 [9k\]: darn....
]
;B[mo]C[hl782 [9k\]: oh
]
;W[np]C[hl782 [9k\]: !!!
hl782 [9k\]: :(
]
;B[om]C[Hikky [-\]:  : )
]))
(;B[lc]C[hl782 [9k\]: ah
Hikky [-\]: I think a pincer here is better
])
(;B[kc]C[hl782 [9k\]: to the bottom?
]
;W[qc]C[hl782 [9k\]: then 17
hl782 [9k\]: and just take that entire top
Hikky [-\]: either way you separate white, you get something on the othe rside
hl782 [9k\]: is that cuttable
]
;B[pc]
;W[qd]C[hl782 [9k\]: yup
hl782 [9k\]: considering im pretty thick
]
;B[pg]C[hl782 [9k\]: for a long
]
;W[qg]C[hl782 [9k\]: extension like
hl782 [9k\]: s10
hl782 [9k\]: on to the 2nd line
])
(;B[qh]C[Hikky [-\]: can white connect here? : )
hl782 [9k\]: oh no
]
;W[qi]C[hl782 [9k\]: dang
]
;B[rh]
;W[pi]
;B[pg]C[Hikky [-\]: pretty awful shape for back but
]
;W[oj]
;B[pk]
;W[ok]
;B[pl]
;W[ni]
;B[oh]C[hl782 [9k\]: how do you learn about
]
;W[oi]C[hl782 [9k\]: proper shapes
hl782 [9k\]: and how to connect properly
hl782 [9k\]: ?
Hikky [-\]: frankly, there's no trick to it -- just do a lot of tsumego
hl782 [9k\]: hm
hl782 [9k\]: does tsumego help with that?
Hikky [-\]: and study the wrong shapes as well as the right ones :p
hl782 [9k\]: i feel like
hl782 [9k\]: in local fights
hl782 [9k\]: and corner life and death situations
hl782 [9k\]: i can outread most 9-7 kkyus
hl782 [9k\]: but...
hl782 [9k\]: in terms of like stone development
hl782 [9k\]: whole board intuition
hl782 [9k\]: connection
hl782 [9k\]: the fundamentals pretty much
hl782 [9k\]: i feel shaky
Hikky [-\]: well, proper *development* isn't necessarily that related to building good shapes
Hikky [-\]: development is a strategic concern, whereas shape is more tactical
Hikky [-\]: you need good shapes to develop properly, it's true,
Hikky [-\]: but you can develop reasonably even without good shape
Hikky [-\]: (and that often keeps you in the game actually haha)
hl782 [9k\]: okay
Hikky [-\]: shape itself boils down to how efficient the stones are, and whether they accomplish their goals
Hikky [-\]: if a goal isn't accomplished, the shape is defective some way (if that goal could be attained, at least)
hl782 [9k\]: got it
Hikky [-\]: and if there is a more efficient way to accomplish it, that's even better -- even a small 2 point endgame difference can add up along with the moves
hl782 [9k\]: cool
hl782 [9k\]: lets continue :)
Hikky [-\]: a 2-point gain here, a 1-point gain there, a few dozen times throughout the game ... is a few dozen points extra at the end : )
Hikky [-\]: ok
]))
(;B[nd]
;W[md]
;B[ne]C[hl782 [9k\]: ah
Hikky [-\]: "lean left to attack right"
Hikky [-\]: (another proverb)
]
;W[qc]
(;B[qd]
;W[pc]
;B[oc]
;W[ob]
;B[od]
;W[mb]
;B[me]
;W[ld])
(;B[oc]
;W[qd]
;B[mc]C[Hikky [-\]: even if you take this, it's pretty good
Hikky [-\]: since you have a thick position in the top left
])))
(;B[lc]
;W[qf]
;B[nd]C[hl782 [9k\]: yeah
]
;W[pj]C[hl782 [9k\]: that
hl782 [9k\]: i was pretty confident i would live
hl782 [9k\]: with those black stones
hl782 [9k\]: on the bottom
Hikky [-\]: yeah, you probably will
]))
(;B[nq]C[hl782 [9k\]: got it
hl782 [9k\]: dang
hl782 [9k\]: these variations
hl782 [9k\]: are eye opening
Hikky [-\]: good : )
]
(;W[go]C[hl782 [9k\]: huh
hl782 [9k\]: that cut is okay
hl782 [9k\]: ?
]
;B[ho]
;W[gp]
(;B[hn]C[Hikky [-\]: well can white really do anything with it?
Hikky [-\]: and since white can't really threaten much here anyway
Hikky [-\]: what can white really do?
]
(;W[hp]
;B[jo]C[Hikky [-\]: besides die, I mean ^^
])
(;W[jo]
(;B[hp]
;W[gq]
(;B[fr]
;W[gr]
;B[er]
;W[iq])
(;B[er]
;W[fr]
;B[eq]
;W[hq]
;B[iq]
;W[ir]
;B[jq]
;W[jr]
;B[kq]
;W[gr]
;B[hs]C[yoyoma [1k\]: I want to play black K5 cover as first move
hl782 [9k\]: oh wow
]))
(;B[rn])
(;B[qn]
;W[oo]
;B[mn]
;W[pm]
;B[ql]
;W[jm]
;B[hl]C[Hikky [-\]: feels like W ends up with two weak groups to black's one
]
;W[jk]
;B[fl]
;W[em]
;B[hj]C[Hikky [-\]: *shrug*
])))
(;B[jo]C[yoyoma [1k\]: not O3
]))
(;W[in]))
(;B[jo]C[hl782 [9k\]: i see
Hikky [-\]: yeah, this is also fine, sealing white in
]
;W[io]C[hl782 [9k\]: i was just rlly afraid of that cut
Hikky [-\]: but I think black can't contain white for long
yoyoma [1k\]: it it works haha
]
;B[in]
;W[jn]C[yoyoma [1k\]: if*
]
;B[jp]
;W[hn]
;B[im]
;W[gm]
(;B[ho]C[hl782 [9k\]: just connect
]
;W[go]
;B[hp]
;W[gp]C[Hikky [-\]: does this really work?
Hikky [-\]: doesn't look like it to me
hl782 [9k\]: go back
yoyoma [1k\]: why sacrifice stone
hl782 [9k\]: yeah
yoyoma [1k\]: just connect
])
(;B[go]
;W[hm]
;B[ho]
;W[il]
;B[jm]
;W[kn]
;B[iq]
;W[jl]
;B[km]
;W[kl]
;B[lm]
;W[nq]C[Hikky [-\]: meh
Hikky [-\]: doesn't seem like black gets a whole lot out of the deal
hl782 [9k\]: i see
hl782 [9k\]: either way
Hikky [-\]: white retains a lot of central power, and gets the key reverse sente at O3
hl782 [9k\]: loads better than mine
hl782 [9k\]: haha
Hikky [-\]: while black captures 4 stones and a little extra territory :p
Hikky [-\]: I liked black when he was bigger on the bottom side
])))
(;B[gm]C[Hikky [-\]: even this is not so bad if you continue pushing
]
;W[nq]
;B[fl]
;W[em]C[Hikky [-\]: meh
Hikky [-\]: maybe not so good either
hl782 [9k\]: that white kakari at o3
])
(;B[nq]C[hl782 [9k\]: sorta just neutralizes my wall
Hikky [-\]: yeah, O3 is more urgent
hl782 [9k\]: okay so my extension was poor
Hikky [-\]: I guess white does't have time for G7 anyhow
]
;W[kp]
;B[no]
;W[pn]
;B[pr]
;W[qq]
;B[kn]
;W[jn]
;B[jm]
;W[km]
;B[ln]
;W[im]
;B[jl]
;W[in]
;B[gm]
;W[il]
;B[fl]
;W[em]
;B[jk]
;W[ik]
;B[jj]C[Hikky [-\]: idk
Hikky [-\]: but let's say white fights
hl782 [9k\]: okay i see yoru point though
Hikky [-\]: and gets out like this
]
;W[gk]
;B[gl]
;W[hi]C[hl782 [9k\]: yeah
]
;B[ql]C[hl782 [9k\]: i can just chase that weak puppy around
Hikky [-\]: white is still hard-pressed on the right side
hl782 [9k\]: while building stuff
]
;W[qr]
;B[om]C[Hikky [-\]: yeah, black's power just keeps rolling along
hl782 [9k\]: damn
Hikky [-\]: attacking the next group, then the next
hl782 [9k\]: okay
hl782 [9k\]: got it
]))
(;B[em]C[hl782 [9k\]: was that better?
hl782 [9k\]: there
hl782 [9k\]: what happens
hl782 [9k\]: if white just goes to f7
hl782 [9k\]: i see
]
(;W[cm]C[hl782 [9k\]: oh
hl782 [9k\]: OH
Hikky [-\]: I'd say so I think, yea.  it's sente
hl782 [9k\]: WTF THAT GETS CAUGHT IN A LADDER FML
Hikky [-\]: lol!
hl782 [9k\]: wait
yoyoma [1k\]: why is it sente?  test for student  :)
hl782 [9k\]: h
])
(;W[fm]C[hl782 [9k\]: black d7
hl782 [9k\]: okay at that point lets build some thickness on the right
]
;B[dm]
;W[cm]C[hl782 [9k\]: black e9
]
;B[el]
;W[fl]C[hl782 [9k\]: i mean d9*
]
;B[ek]
;W[bn]
;B[fk]C[hl782 [9k\]: oh
Hikky [-\]: hard to defend cutting stones
hl782 [9k\]: dang
hl782 [9k\]: that is
hl782 [9k\]: much better
hl782 [9k\]: wow
hl782 [9k\]: yeah
hl782 [9k\]: i screwed up!
hl782 [9k\]: i was jsut thinking like
])))
(;B[fp]C[hl782 [9k\]: he messed up the 3-3 joseki though
hl782 [9k\]: yeah
Hikky [-\]: this is a little more standard
Hikky [-\]: F4 is safer and simpler
hl782 [9k\]: yup
hl782 [9k\]: well tbh
hl782 [9k\]: he messed up the
]
;W[fq]C[hl782 [9k\]: i think thats what i shuld have done
]
;B[gq]
;W[eq]
;B[gp]
;W[bp]
;B[nq]
;W[qn]C[hl782 [9k\]: yeah
]
;B[kp]C[hl782 [9k\]: thats much better
hl782 [9k\]: plus his stones are all so low on the 3rd line anyways
Hikky [-\]: white gets a fair corner, but black develops the bottom nicely
hl782 [9k\]: i culd have just played a few reducing moves
])
(;B[fq]C[hl782 [9k\]: hm that deep?
Hikky [-\]: you can even try a low approach if you want to fight but
Hikky [-\]: I don't recommend it
Hikky [-\]: must be able to fight well!
]
;W[fp]
;B[gp]
;W[fo]
;B[dl]
;W[dk]
;B[el]
;W[gq]
;B[eq]C[hl782 [9k\]: that just seems like
]
;W[do]
;B[hq]
;W[go]C[hl782 [9k\]: it made black 2 weak groups
Hikky [-\]: it's not really all that good but if you're a better fighter than your opponent you can try it
]
;B[hp]C[hl782 [9k\]: damn
Hikky [-\]: yeah, it did, haha
Hikky [-\]: that's why it's risky
hl782 [9k\]: i would have never seen that variation
]
;W[gm]
;B[bl]
;W[ck]))
(;B[ch]C[hl782 [9k\]: okay
yoyoma [1k\]: hi
Hikky [-\]: hello
hl782 [9k\]: do i just give
Hikky [-\]: goodness
hl782 [9k\]: c18 then?
Hikky [-\]: you have a crown and everything.  surely you're not the real Yo Yo Ma?  haha
Hikky [-\]: if only ^^ oh well
yoyoma [1k\]: haha
Hikky [-\]: I enjoy his music a lot
hl782 [9k\]: what exactly does the crown mean?
Hikky [-\]: the crown means he's won a KGS tournament
hl782 [9k\]: oh wow
Hikky [-\]:  : )
hl782 [9k\]: thats awesome
hl782 [9k\]: alright
yoyoma [1k\]: Yes I won a beta-test tournament -- finals I played vs wms  lol
hl782 [9k\]: back to the review!
Hikky [-\]: hehe, nice
Hikky [-\]: yes, so ...
Hikky [-\]: white has two options here
Hikky [-\]: so,
yoyoma [1k\]: doesn't the ladder work anyways for black?
Hikky [-\]: white getting sealed into a small corner so early in the game?  never a good idea
Hikky [-\]: the ladder does work, yes -- but that invites a ladder-breaker at O3 right away
Hikky [-\]: on the other hand, even with the ladder breaker, black becomes so thick it's obscene
Hikky [-\]: an alternative to white here would be
Hikky [-\]: C12 makes white uncomfortable either way
hl782 [9k\]: okie
hl782 [9k\]: ill remember that
Hikky [-\]: to get sealed in, or to get robbed of an easy life
Hikky [-\]: the punishment for B17 is C12 : )
]
(;W[cb]C[Hikky [-\]: if white prefers to live immediately,
]
;B[ce]C[hl782 [9k\]: okay
]
;W[be]
;B[df]C[Hikky [-\]: black can seal white in strongly
Hikky [-\]: and make an exceptionally thick position
Hikky [-\]: don't get me wrong,
Hikky [-\]: white *can* cut and fight if he wants to but it seems hard to get profit if he does it right away
]
(;W[bf]
;B[dg]C[hl782 [9k\]: why wouldnt
hl782 [9k\]: white double hane there
hl782 [9k\]: to d13?
Hikky [-\]: white can
])
(;W[dg]
;B[cg]
;W[bf]C[hl782 [9k\]: okay
hl782 [9k\]: sounds good
]
(;B[ef]C[Hikky [-\]: this cut is not super effective at the moment
hl782 [9k\]: the ladder doesnt work
hl782 [9k\]: hmm
hl782 [9k\]: arent thouse 2 black stones left weak?
hl782 [9k\]: or is it just safe if it extends out
Hikky [-\]: not nearly as weak as the cutting stone, and black has support on the bottom side
hl782 [9k\]: ah i see
hl782 [9k\]: okay
Hikky [-\]: so long as black can capture the cutting stone, the cut has no value
Hikky [-\]: so white must move out, but then black moves out safely too
]
;W[eh]
;B[ck]C[hl782 [9k\]: got it
Hikky [-\]: and suddenly there's no point ^^
])
(;B[eg]
;W[nq]C[hl782 [9k\]: now i know how to deal with that early corner push
]
;B[dh]C[Hikky [-\]: such thickness is unstoppable IMO ^^
hl782 [9k\]: tru
hl782 [9k\]: okay i got this part down now
hl782 [9k\]: lets keep goin
Hikky [-\]: I have seen several higher-dan players calmly take this position against white being even more favorable than this, and coming out on top haha
])))
(;W[ef]C[Hikky [-\]: moving out into the center
Hikky [-\]: but if white does that ...
Hikky [-\]: so
]
;B[bb]C[Hikky [-\]: now black can play B18 again and white can't extend naturally
]
(;W[cj]
;B[bg]
;W[bf]
;B[eh])
(;W[di]
;B[dh]
;W[eh]
;B[ci]
;W[dj]
;B[cj]
;W[dk]
(;B[ck]
;W[dl]
;B[cm]C[hl782 [9k\]: ehhhhhh
])
(;B[cl]C[hl782 [9k\]: that variation
hl782 [9k\]: i dont like haha
hl782 [9k\]: white too thick
hl782 [9k\]: and blacks just pushing the cart from the back
hl782 [9k\]: i guess its joseki but
Hikky [-\]: it's not particularly good for white at the moment though
Hikky [-\]: and white has bigger problems
Hikky [-\]: white has to finish in gote
Hikky [-\]: the key idea here is
Hikky [-\]: black is making all his stones work together
Hikky [-\]: while denying white territory
Hikky [-\]: white's stones are not working together much at all
Hikky [-\]: if only they could be connected, to form a solid wall
Hikky [-\]: but they can't, black is just too far
hl782 [9k\]: got it
]
;W[dg]C[Hikky [-\]: or else black will cut there and it will be very big
]
;B[fq]
;W[eo]
;B[em]
;W[gp]
;B[hq]
;W[hp]
;B[iq]
;W[ip]
;B[jq]C[Hikky [-\]: it'll just end up being too hard for white to use this influence IMO
Hikky [-\]: even here, how can white use it?
]
;W[ko]C[Hikky [-\]: white still has to run ...
]
;B[fg]
;W[eg]
;B[fi]
;W[ei]
;B[gm]C[hl782 [9k\]: i see
Hikky [-\]: what do you think?
hl782 [9k\]: yeah
hl782 [9k\]: that looks
hl782 [9k\]: pretty good for balck
hl782 [9k\]: i
hl782 [9k\]: damn
hl782 [9k\]: good for black
hl782 [9k\]: not pretty good
Hikky [-\]: this kind of variation seems a bit forced to me
Hikky [-\]: white can try and resist but
hl782 [9k\]: yeah
hl782 [9k\]: and after this
Hikky [-\]: he doesn't have much to resist with and he can't easily end with sente to take the initiative
hl782 [9k\]: if black his 3-3
hl782 [9k\]: white has nothing
hl782 [9k\]: takes his 3-3*
hl782 [9k\]: got it
Hikky [-\]: even if white takes the 3-3
Hikky [-\]: but yeah
])))))