(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[1200]OT[2x10 byo-yomi]
PW[Jeff23]PB[hoshizora]WR[8k]DT[2011-01-08]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]RE[W+Time]
;B[dd]BL[1187.473]C[Jeff23 [8k?\]: no handicap to learn a little about openning
hoshizora [?\]: sure
]
;W[pq]WL[1192.056]
;B[cp]BL[1177.425]
;W[pd]WL[1185.93]
(;B[eq]BL[1175.012]C[Jeff23 [8k?\]: this is big
Jeff23 [8k?\]: unclosed corner
Jeff23 [8k?\]: but boring
Jeff23 [8k?\]: lol
]
;W[fc]WL[1178.184]C[hoshizora [?\]: okay
Jeff23 [8k?\]: like here
Jeff23 [8k?\]: wisdom tells me to close my corner
Jeff23 [8k?\]: but then I know you can play anywhere you want
Jeff23 [8k?\]: so i prefer going away
]
(;B[df]BL[1171.742]
;W[po]WL[1169.184]
;B[mq]BL[1166.302]C[Jeff23 [8k?\]: this all looks good
]
;W[jq]WL[1162.393]C[hoshizora [?\]: in theory, I could have attacked your corner instead of doing the 1-point jump
]
;B[mo]BL[1157.749]
;W[jo]WL[1158.834]C[Jeff23 [8k?\]: only a few games, eh?
hoshizora [?\]: I'm reading Janice Kim's book
hoshizora [?\]: books
Jeff23 [8k?\]: very nice series
hoshizora [?\]: they are awesome, but I'm getting to the stage where it's overwhelming
]
;B[mm]BL[1108.212]C[Jeff23 [8k?\]: yeah
]
;W[pm]WL[1149.2]C[Jeff23 [8k?\]: this concerned me a lot
Jeff23 [8k?\]: I wasn't expecting it from you
]
;B[jm]BL[1073.993]C[hoshizora [?\]: if you did that, then I would have to attack down the bottom (eg H3)
]
(;W[gq]WL[1142.37]C[hoshizora [?\]: haha, then I threw it away :P
Jeff23 [8k?\]: I think it's better to run immediately
Jeff23 [8k?\]: but I felt safer having one eye and running
Jeff23 [8k?\]: right
hoshizora [?\]: is that right?
Jeff23 [8k?\]: that would be great
hoshizora [?\]: cool
]
;B[hn]BL[1054.993]C[hoshizora [?\]: where would you have run?
Jeff23 [8k?\]: but you played an excellent move
]
;W[go]WL[1138.55]
(;B[dj]BL[1032.095]TR[go][jo][gq][jq]C[Jeff23 [8k?\]: awww
hoshizora [?\]: ??
Jeff23 [8k?\]: you were doing so well
hoshizora [?\]: I'm guessing I missed something big!
Jeff23 [8k?\]: try not to leave something alone when you spend a lot of time working on it
Jeff23 [8k?\]: you've put a ton of pressure on this group
Jeff23 [8k?\]: it's very small and nearly surrounded
Jeff23 [8k?\]: you're move was very big
Jeff23 [8k?\]: it's a good eye
hoshizora [?\]: which move? which eye?
Jeff23 [8k?\]: but now this white group can work on getting out and living easier
Jeff23 [8k?\]: I mean way to spot a big move
Jeff23 [8k?\]: not literally a "go eye"
hoshizora [?\]: ahh
hoshizora [?\]: it's an attack and a framework-y move
Jeff23 [8k?\]: yes
hoshizora [?\]: that's awesome
]
;W[fn]WL[1079.681]C[Jeff23 [8k?\]: well it would have been tight
Jeff23 [8k?\]: but I think so
Jeff23 [8k?\]: but that's two points
Jeff23 [8k?\]: and you get huge framework
Jeff23 [8k?\]: influence all over the board
Jeff23 [8k?\]: killing would secondary
hoshizora [?\]: right
]
;B[dn]BL[996.978]C[Jeff23 [8k?\]: but you are doing extremely well
hoshizora [?\]: if I played F6, you would still be able to make 2-eyes right?
hoshizora [?\]: I have to look for those dual moves!
Jeff23 [8k?\]: this really is good here
Jeff23 [8k?\]: dual move
hoshizora [?\]: dual-purpose
Jeff23 [8k?\]: keep squeezing me while staking out the edge
]
;W[fl]WL[1074.319]C[hoshizora [?\]: I generally have no idea what to do around this point
Jeff23 [8k?\]: ah
]
;B[gm]BL[976.949]TR[gm][jm][mm][hn][mo][mq]C[Jeff23 [8k?\]: alright
Jeff23 [8k?\]: this doesn't do much
Jeff23 [8k?\]: but it's a shape move
hoshizora [?\]: what do you man?
hoshizora [?\]: mean?
Jeff23 [8k?\]: these stones still have no eyes
Jeff23 [8k?\]: my goal at this point was to attack the group in order to get out and safe
]
;W[fm]WL[1070.579]
;B[gl]BL[971.196]
;W[fk]WL[1066.252]
(;B[gj]BL[965.293]C[Jeff23 [8k?\]: this is a good containment move
Jeff23 [8k?\]: but I think it's weak
hoshizora [?\]: I thought it might have been a mistake
Jeff23 [8k?\]: one more step first
]
;W[lp]WL[1052.781]C[hoshizora [?\]: I'm guessing this was a shape move?
Jeff23 [8k?\]: here I was expanding out to try to guarantee two eyes before starting a big fight
Jeff23 [8k?\]: yeah shape
]
;B[mp]BL[961.655]
;W[gk]WL[1047.011]
;B[hk]BL[943.827]C[Jeff23 [8k?\]: I knew I was going to cut
]
;W[hj]WL[1044.466]
;B[ik]BL[911.475]TR[hl][il][hm][im]C[Jeff23 [8k?\]: this was a good shape move
Jeff23 [8k?\]: I felt like the fight might be unwinnable with that move
Jeff23 [8k?\]: eye for sure
hoshizora [?\]: right, I just have to be careful on not losing the G-stones
]
(;W[id]WL[1032.736]
;B[gi]BL[902.447]
;W[ii]WL[1027.446]
;B[gg]BL[875.453]
;W[nl]WL[1018.821]
;B[ml]BL[868.603]
;W[nk]WL[1017.586]
;B[mj]BL[863.993]TR[ik][jm]C[Jeff23 [8k?\]: again
Jeff23 [8k?\]: here though walking me along is much more painful
hoshizora [?\]: right, extend to 3 before jumping
Jeff23 [8k?\]: since I'm not trapped
Jeff23 [8k?\]: I'm just claiming a huge side
Jeff23 [8k?\]: and you have more support
Jeff23 [8k?\]: if I bust through
Jeff23 [8k?\]: I'm still stuck against that thing
Jeff23 [8k?\]: so it isn't so bad here I think
hoshizora [?\]: hmmm
]
;W[mk]WL[1015.727]
;B[lk]BL[860.813]
;W[lj]WL[1013.633]C[Jeff23 [8k?\]: this is tough
hoshizora [?\]: the cut seemed pretty painful for me with those white H and J stones
Jeff23 [8k?\]: that's what I was aiming for
]
;B[kj]BL[815.061]
;W[li]WL[1011.998]
;B[ki]BL[812.067]
;W[lh]WL[992.965]
(;B[pg]BL[758.33]C[Jeff23 [8k?\]: this wasn't too bad
Jeff23 [8k?\]: but I think you gave up on the fight again
]
;W[qi]WL[986.975]
;B[kh]BL[735.977]
;W[ig]WL[967.235]
(;B[kf]BL[644.346]
;W[lg]WL[963.548]
;B[kg]BL[636.11]
;W[if]WL[960.676]
;B[le]BL[580.481]
;W[of]WL[951.823]
;B[nd]BL[556.904]
;W[kc]WL[948.164]
;B[lc]BL[540.757]C[Jeff23 [8k?\]: so this part was nice
Jeff23 [8k?\]: making shape
Jeff23 [8k?\]: cutting down on top territory
]
;W[lf]WL[939.636]C[hoshizora [?\]: L15
]
(;B[ke]BL[535.949]C[hoshizora [?\]: right
Jeff23 [8k?\]: yeah that's what I was threatening
]
;W[lb]WL[931.067]
;B[mc]BL[521.626]
;W[mb]WL[929.857]
(;B[nc]BL[515.022]TR[mc][nc][nd]C[Jeff23 [8k?\]: empty triangle
Jeff23 [8k?\]: inefficient
hoshizora [?\]: gotcha
Jeff23 [8k?\]: big difference
Jeff23 [8k?\]: M15?
]
;W[me]WL[921.689]C[Jeff23 [8k?\]: trust me this fight is complicated for me too
Jeff23 [8k?\]: lol
Jeff23 [8k?\]: I'm not sure how much advice I can give
hoshizora [?\]: do you think I should have connected at M15 when I did?
Jeff23 [8k?\]: I played here to steal the eye
Jeff23 [8k?\]: now I would be scrambling for the corner
]
(;B[kd]BL[448.358]C[hoshizora [?\]: for me it didn't seem an eye there would be a big deal
Jeff23 [8k?\]: this move is false eye
hoshizora [?\]: because my stones were connected to the thing down the bottom
Jeff23 [8k?\]: yeah it probably doesn't
hoshizora [?\]: which probably had 2 eyes
Jeff23 [8k?\]: right most likely
hoshizora [?\]: so I wanted to pressure your territory instead
Jeff23 [8k?\]: corner is always biggest
hoshizora [?\]: right
Jeff23 [8k?\]: go there first
]
;W[jc]WL[915.461]
;B[nb]BL[403.125]
;W[pb]WL[911.802]C[hoshizora [?\]: well at least you know what you're doing!
Jeff23 [8k?\]: eh not really
]
;B[ma]BL[380.525]C[Jeff23 [8k?\]: I'm sort of winging it
]
;W[ka]WL[907.689]
;B[gd]BL[346.295]
;W[gc]WL[905.457]C[Jeff23 [8k?\]: good move
]
;B[fd]BL[329.605]
;W[db]WL[902.622]C[hoshizora [?\]: should I have extended in a different direction?
Jeff23 [8k?\]: no
]
;B[ec]BL[301.878]C[Jeff23 [8k?\]: if I played there it would have been good
Jeff23 [8k?\]: so it was also your good move
]
;W[eb]WL[892.186]C[hoshizora [?\]: that's the nice thing about Go :)
]
;B[cc]BL[177.431]
;W[dl]WL[886.539]
(;B[cm]BL[132.189]C[hoshizora [?\]: I suppose the two stones should have let me block directly
Jeff23 [8k?\]: this is sort of passive
Jeff23 [8k?\]: yeah
hoshizora [?\]: yeah, I wasn't sure that I'd be able to take you
]
;W[cl]WL[882.219]
;B[ek]BL[119.007]C[hoshizora [?\]: this is a bit of a pattern for me
Jeff23 [8k?\]: this is good
Jeff23 [8k?\]: I needed to respond
Jeff23 [8k?\]: but
hoshizora [?\]: yeah, but I didn't expect the bamboo thing
Jeff23 [8k?\]: I found a better way than blocking
Jeff23 [8k?\]: yeah my first instinct was to block
Jeff23 [8k?\]: but then I saw bamboo joint
Jeff23 [8k?\]: two things
Jeff23 [8k?\]: connect and attack
]
;W[dm]WL[872.881]
;B[bn]BL[75.766]C[Jeff23 [8k?\]: good defense
]
;W[cj]WL[865.889]
;B[ci]BL[73.898]
;W[bj]WL[863.987]
;B[bi]BL[67.407]C[Jeff23 [8k?\]: this contained me well
]
;W[fj]WL[859.089]
;B[ei]BL[38.349]
;W[fi]WL[856.645]
;B[fh]BL[5.904]
;W[ej]WL[842.016]C[Jeff23 [8k?\]: ah
hoshizora [?\]: gg :P
Jeff23 [8k?\]: well I think there's stuff to go over
hoshizora [?\]: awesome
Jeff23 [8k?\]: yeah
Jeff23 [8k?\]: good
Jeff23 [8k?\]: you are probably mid-teen kyus
hoshizora [?\]: cool
hoshizora [?\]: going on the pickups you made throughout the game
Jeff23 [8k?\]: always ask if it is completely surrounded
Jeff23 [8k?\]: or if you are surrounded
Jeff23 [8k?\]: it's a big deal to be out in the middle
hoshizora [?\]: right
hoshizora [?\]: I think I need to brush up on figuring out when I can kill
Jeff23 [8k?\]: yeah don't worry about that so much
hoshizora [?\]: because you picked up several times when I played too passively
Jeff23 [8k?\]: surrounded is as good as killing
hoshizora [?\]: ah right, surround or kill
Jeff23 [8k?\]: good luck
hoshizora [?\]: well thank you very much
Jeff23 [8k?\]: no problem
hoshizora [?\]: this was really helpful
Jeff23 [8k?\]: great
hoshizora [?\]: it's makes a huge difference someone explaining and pointing out things
Jeff23 [8k?\]: yeah definitely
hoshizora [?\]: hope to see you around!
Jeff23 [8k?\]: see ya
])
(;B[cl]C[hoshizora [?\]: hah
Jeff23 [8k?\]: play most aggressive when you have the advantage
]
;W[ck]C[hoshizora [?\]: when you played d8 I thought I slipped up
Jeff23 [8k?\]: I have no business to hane here
]
;B[dk]
;W[cj]
;B[ci]
;W[cm]
;B[bl]
;W[dm]
;B[bj]))
(;B[pc]
;W[qc]
;B[qb]
;W[qd]
;B[pb]C[Jeff23 [8k?\]: try to get an eye or something
]))
(;B[nb]TR[nb][mc][nd]C[Jeff23 [8k?\]: tiger mouth
Jeff23 [8k?\]: uncuttable
]))
(;B[dc]
;W[ke]TR[lc][nd][le]C[hoshizora [?\]: actually maybe I should have played L16?
Jeff23 [8k?\]: look awfully lonely
])
(;B[kd]C[Jeff23 [8k?\]: actually yeah that's a better way to do the same thing
hoshizora [?\]: tiger mouth thing plus hane
Jeff23 [8k?\]: very good
]))
(;B[lg]
(;W[mg]C[Jeff23 [8k?\]: I can't play here
]
;B[mh]
;W[mi]
;B[ni])
(;W[nh]
;B[mg]
;W[mh]
;B[ng]
(;W[oh]C[hoshizora [?\]: nice
]
;B[og]C[Jeff23 [8k?\]: connected up
])
(;W[rh]
;B[oh]
(;W[oi]
;B[ni])
(;W[nj]C[hoshizora [?\]: I was worried that you'd cut me at L13
]
;B[ni]
;W[mi]
;B[mj])))
(;W[kg]
;B[mh]
;W[mi]
;B[ni]C[hoshizora [?\]: lol
Jeff23 [8k?\]: not a problem
])))
(;B[kh]C[hoshizora [?\]: hmm
])
(;B[ih]C[Jeff23 [8k?\]: this kills
Jeff23 [8k?\]: also
hoshizora [?\]: !!
Jeff23 [8k?\]: in general this move kills
hoshizora [?\]: okay
]
;W[jh]
;B[ji]C[Jeff23 [8k?\]: try to get out of that
Jeff23 [8k?\]: as white
]
;W[hh]
;B[ig]
;W[hg]
;B[hf]C[Jeff23 [8k?\]: well it's complicated
]))
(;W[gn]
;B[aa]C[hoshizora [?\]: whoah
]
(;W[hl]
;B[hm]
;W[il]
;B[jl]
;W[im]
;B[in])
(;W[hm]
;B[hl]
;W[im]
;B[in]
;W[il]
;B[jl]C[Jeff23 [8k?\]: even with 2 moves
Jeff23 [8k?\]: that's good strong shape
])))
(;B[gk]
;W[fj]
;B[gi]C[hoshizora [?\]: because you cut me and I got into trouble
Jeff23 [8k?\]: much more solid
Jeff23 [8k?\]: I'm still stuck now
hoshizora [?\]: but now it isn't so tight for me with 3 in a row
Jeff23 [8k?\]: right
hoshizora [?\]: nice
]))
(;B[fn]TR[cj][dj]C[Jeff23 [8k?\]: this almost achieves the same thing as your move while also trapping me
hoshizora [?\]: that stops you from running
hoshizora [?\]: ahhhhh
hoshizora [?\]: got it
Jeff23 [8k?\]: this is aiming at the same area
]))
(;W[in]
;B[im]
;W[hn]C[hoshizora [?\]: ahh
])
(;W[hn]C[Jeff23 [8k?\]: I'm not excellent at running
Jeff23 [8k?\]: but those stones are screaming at me to get out while they still can
]))
(;B[qo]C[Jeff23 [8k?\]: yeah no problem
hoshizora [?\]: because 4-4 is relatively safe, right?
Jeff23 [8k?\]: totally normal
Jeff23 [8k?\]: yeah
hoshizora [?\]: cool
]))
(;B[qo])
(;B[po]C[Jeff23 [8k?\]: take the initiative to get stones across the board
hoshizora [?\]: so you reckon I should attack my opponent's unclosed corner before closing my own?
Jeff23 [8k?\]: it makes things interesting
Jeff23 [8k?\]: and gets you moving
Jeff23 [8k?\]: yes closing is big
Jeff23 [8k?\]: and not wrong
Jeff23 [8k?\]: but I personally prefer having stones in other areas of the board so I can utilize them later
]))