(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[0.50]
PW[True]PB[Khelly]WR[5d]BR[5k]DT[2015-10-03]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]C[Khelly [5k\]: Hey true
Khelly [5k\]: Guess what
True [5d?\]: hello hello
True [5d?\]: whats up
Khelly [5k\]: I've been drifting between 4k and 5k today
Khelly [5k\]: woohoo
True [5d?\]: nice
True [5d?\]: i like it a lot
Khelly [5k\]: what
Khelly [5k\]: I have control?
True [5d?\]: but middle is still my fav
True [5d?\]: or i can take control
Khelly [5k\]: yeah
Khelly [5k\]: guide me
]RE[W+Resign]
;B[qd]
;W[dp]C[True [5d?\]: moving on up
]
;B[pq]C[Khelly [5k\]: I feel no different
Khelly [5k\]: from when I came back
Khelly [5k\]: To go
]
;W[dc]
;B[oc]C[True [5d?\]: did you take a break?
]
;W[po]C[Khelly [5k\]: 9 months yes
]
;B[qo]C[Khelly [5k\]: Probably slightly more
]
;W[qn]
;B[qp]C[True [5d?\]: oh when did that happen
]
;W[pm]C[Khelly [5k\]: sometime around October/november 2014
Khelly [5k\]: About 10 months after I really started playing go
Khelly [5k\]: which was December 2013
]
;B[nq]C[True [5d?\]: cool
]
;W[qi]
;B[qg]
;W[rd]C[Khelly [5k\]: and is r13 big enough here
True [5d?\]: hm
True [5d?\]: i think r17 is fine
Khelly [5k\]: and r13?
True [5d?\]: r13 is definately big
True [5d?\]: its like sente
]
;B[qc]
;W[oi]
;B[ce]
;W[ci]
;B[cc]C[Khelly [5k\]: I expected s16
Khelly [5k\]: after
Khelly [5k\]: r4
Khelly [5k\]: :<
Khelly [5k\]: No one ever plays that
True [5d?\]: new style is you play it after R11
Khelly [5k\]: Style changes too fast
True [5d?\]: ahah
True [5d?\]: research is always going on
Khelly [5k\]: So
]
;W[cb]
;B[dd]C[Khelly [5k\]: is best
]
;W[bc]
;B[ec]C[Khelly [5k\]: What do you think
]
;W[cd]C[Khelly [5k\]: in response
]
;B[db]
;W[cc]C[Khelly [5k\]: to s16
]
;B[ed]C[Khelly [5k\]: I think I was probably weak 5k when I stopped playing
True [5d?\]: ah
Khelly [5k\]: Now it's possibly weak 4k ;-;l
Khelly [5k\]: Playing games is hard
Khelly [5k\]: true you couldn't play
True [5d?\]: for this move
Khelly [5k\]: the simple
Khelly [5k\]: e17 move
True [5d?\]: you have to be careful of the ladder
Khelly [5k\]: instead of the atari
Khelly [5k\]: :<
True [5d?\]: my style is to play normal but severe for the most part
]
;W[mo]C[True [5d?\]: lol true that
]
(;B[be]C[Khelly [5k\]: Is that a pun
Khelly [5k\]: TRUE that?
Khelly [5k\]: So
Khelly [5k\]: I thought
]
;W[eb]
;B[fb]C[True [5d?\]: an unintentional one lol
Khelly [5k\]: so
]
;W[da]C[Khelly [5k\]: is b15/14 a mistake
Khelly [5k\]: when you tenuki
True [5d?\]: no
True [5d?\]: its fie
True [5d?\]: *fine
True [5d?\]: its big but its also gote
True [5d?\]: you need to fix with a solid shape
]
;B[jd]C[Khelly [5k\]: I was trying to make it white gote
Khelly [5k\]: :<
True [5d?\]: yea no
Khelly [5k\]: sad
True [5d?\]: thats why white tenukis
True [5d?\]: the follow up is big but its not extremely severe
True [5d?\]: if i got severely punished there i wouldn't be a very strong player
Khelly [5k\]: as severe as getting sealed in can be
]
;W[fc]
;B[gb]
;W[de]
;B[df]
;W[ee]
;B[fd]C[Khelly [5k\]: I don't think you told me
Khelly [5k\]: what kgs rank you could get if you tried
True [5d?\]: 7d i think
Khelly [5k\]: you just asked me the same and I tried to make a pun based on geico
Khelly [5k\]: Up to 1d or more should mean 30k to 7d!
True [5d?\]: yep i remember you saying this before
]
;W[ef]
(;B[eg]
;W[gd]
;B[fe]
;W[ff]
;B[ge]
(;W[dg]C[True [5d?\]: now your B15 is turning into a wasted move
True [5d?\]: which doesn't feel good
True [5d?\]: white chooses not to atari at G14 cause there are some ajis later with H15
]
(;B[gf]C[True [5d?\]: i don't think this exchange is good
]
;W[fg]C[True [5d?\]: but overall the D12 aji is worth more than G14
True [5d?\]: make sense?
Khelly [5k\]: Yeah
]
;B[cn]
;W[cl]
;B[gg]
;W[eh]
;B[cq]
;W[cp]
;B[dq]
;W[ep]
;B[bp]
;W[bo]
;B[bq]
;W[co]
;B[fq]
;W[qe]
;B[pe]
;W[qf]
;B[pf]
;W[rg]
(;B[pg]C[True [5d?\]: ah here
]
;W[re]C[True [5d?\]: eh?
]
;B[rh]
;W[qh]
;B[sg]
;W[rf]C[Khelly [5k\]: somehow I read s17 becoming sente
]
;B[fp]C[True [5d?\]: ah
]
;W[fo]
;B[go]
;W[fn]
;B[fh]
;W[cf]C[jytsao [?\]: are you averaging rue?
True [5d?\]: what?
jytsao [?\]: cuz i'm pretty sure you're stronger than 7d if you play slow
True [5d?\]: F6 looks normal and non threatening
True [5d?\]: but its a move that aims at the G4 cut
]
;B[gn]C[jytsao [?\]: but probably not consistent if you play fast
True [5d?\]: but i don't think i'm stronger than any of the 8ds who are all aga/euro pros
]
;W[gm]C[jytsao [?\]: hm
True [5d?\]: same with this hane
True [5d?\]: looks normal but all the time white wants you to fix the g4 weakness in gote
Khelly [5k\]: I didn't want to
True [5d?\]: so because black relatively owes a move in the local shape
Khelly [5k\]: Fixing in sente is hard
True [5d?\]: you don't have a good way to reduce the left
True [5d?\]: yes right
]
;B[bn]C[jytsao [?\]: but you almost beat yuwon numerous times
jytsao [?\]: including once when you should have won
jytsao [?\]: i can't find my go stones =(
]
;W[an]C[True [5d?\]: lol but almost doesn't mean winning
]
;B[fm]
;W[dn]C[jytsao [?\]: it's only cuz yuwon changed the rules =p
True [5d?\]: lol
jytsao [?\]: and foreced you to play your weakness
True [5d?\]: that's why he's stronger, he knows how to win : \]
True [5d?\]: i sure miss him
Khelly [5k\]: I am bad at fighitng
Khelly [5k\]: <:
True [5d?\]: yes right
True [5d?\]: d6 again patient
True [5d?\]: but forcing black to fix the g4
]
(;B[fl]C[True [5d?\]: i think he was my primary motivation for going to go class
Khelly [5k\]: You had a class?
Khelly [5k\]: can you imagine a go class in high school
True [5d?\]: yep
True [5d?\]: h
True [5d?\]: hm
True [5d?\]: this might be a mistake
True [5d?\]: black's shape isn't solid
]
;W[gp]C[Khelly [5k\]: That'd be cool
True [5d?\]: we had one at mine
]
;B[eq]C[Khelly [5k\]: in high school>?
True [5d?\]: yep
]
;W[gk]C[True [5d?\]: so in the end
True [5d?\]: black cannot extend at F8
]
;B[gi]C[True [5d?\]: at that time i was suprisingly not the strongest player
]
;W[fj]C[True [5d?\]: here b got captured
True [5d?\]: whcih is a loss
True [5d?\]: like B15
]
;B[lp]C[jytsao [?\]: i was the strongest go player of Uganda
jytsao [?\]: does that count?
Khelly [5k\]: I am the strongest player in my dorm room
Khelly [5k\]: Does that count
]
;W[lo]C[True [5d?\]: and black's shape also has more problems than the other variation
]
;B[hm]
;W[gl]
;B[kp]
;W[jp]
;B[hp]
;W[ko]C[jytsao [?\]: depends
jytsao [?\]: do you have a single?
]
;B[mp]C[Khelly [5k\]: No but my roommate is never in the room
]
;W[hn]
;B[ho]
;W[in]
;B[no]C[Khelly [5k\]: do I get enough by playing something on the bottom
]
(;W[nn]TR[km]C[Khelly [5k\]: And i had a revelatin
True [5d?\]: ah
Khelly [5k\]: where I could come back to defend later if I could attack them
Khelly [5k\]: because if they stayed inside when I was attacking them who cares
True [5d?\]: right
Khelly [5k\]: when before I was jhust defend as soon as they came in to reduce
Khelly [5k\]: what if
Khelly [5k\]: you played some such o13 ish move
Khelly [5k\]: instead of o6
Khelly [5k\]: if you were to play one
Khelly [5k\]: in your games
True [5d?\]: hm
True [5d?\]: si that
True [5d?\]: *is that
True [5d?\]: by building this white potential here
True [5d?\]: black at some point is going to need to try to reduce it
True [5d?\]: that's the chance that white can also reduce black's top side
True [5d?\]: that's why i invaded your top side relatively late
True [5d?\]: and it also worked
Khelly [5k\]: as an sdk I feel we would just defend our potential here and then solidify b's top
True [5d?\]: its cause i spent time reducing your bottom but also creating this potential
Khelly [5k\]: or do half and half and fail in both
True [5d?\]: so it cancels your potential at the same time
True [5d?\]: ah
True [5d?\]: yea
True [5d?\]: so that's the strategy here for white basically
True [5d?\]: kind of
True [5d?\]: the last big fuseki point is really big
Khelly [5k\]: If you have a nice peaceful fuseki
True [5d?\]: but you have to calculate miais until you can get the last point
Khelly [5k\]: Might as well be shuei
True [5d?\]: or create a situation where the last big point lands on your turn
Khelly [5k\]: Well that's my one game for today
True [5d?\]: okay
Khelly [5k\]: Back to falling leaves
]
(;B[nh]C[True [5d?\]: you got a lot better i feel
Khelly [5k\]: I was counting
Khelly [5k\]: I think you have ~100
Khelly [5k\]: I only got to 90 for you
Khelly [5k\]: but I added some for the vague centure
Khelly [5k\]: probably a lot more now that I play this
]
(;W[lc]C[Khelly [5k\]: mm
Khelly [5k\]: Now I have to kill this
Khelly [5k\]: wow
Khelly [5k\]: thanks
True [5d?\]: lol
Khelly [5k\]: THIS CAN ONLY MEAN 2 THINGS
Khelly [5k\]: 1)You won't win if you play n11 or k3 type moves
Khelly [5k\]: 2) Teaching game x^dddd
True [5d?\]: actually both are wrong
True [5d?\]: this is just the strongest move no matter how you swing it
True [5d?\]: sure it can die, but white can do something with the aji
]
;B[jc]C[True [5d?\]: any move like o11 is far too soft
True [5d?\]: even if you have the lead
]
;W[nc]
;B[ob]C[jytsao [?\]: lol
Khelly [5k\]: To my kyu mind it looks like one of those kyu invasions you make when you think you gonna lose
]
;W[lh]
;B[ni]C[jytsao [?\]: i woulda just ried something like l13
True [5d?\]: yes it can look like that
]
;W[lf]
;B[oj]C[True [5d?\]: i mean
True [5d?\]: behind by a lot more
Khelly [5k\]: Yes
]
;W[oh]C[True [5d?\]: hm
Khelly [5k\]: Because all I did was play moyo
]
(;B[lj]C[Khelly [5k\]: I derped here
]
;W[ng]C[True [5d?\]: once white gets this hane
True [5d?\]: there's no way my group could die
True [5d?\]: so now black is kinda behind 
Khelly [5k\]: wait
True [5d?\]: since the left side is solid for white
Khelly [5k\]: I wasn't if I played your peep?
True [5d?\]: hm?
]
;B[og]
;W[nf]
;B[mh]
;W[li]
;B[qj]
;W[ri]
;B[kj]
;W[mj]LB[be:A][fl:B]TR[fc][de][hn][gp]C[True [5d?\]: thx gg
Khelly [5k\]: feels worse
True [5d?\]: hm?
Khelly [5k\]: when you said better
True [5d?\]: nah
True [5d?\]: definately better
Khelly [5k\]: f17 was hard to respond to without ladder
Khelly [5k\]: :(
True [5d?\]: lol yea
True [5d?\]: review?
Khelly [5k\]: yeah
Khelly [5k\]: Fuseki best part of game
True [5d?\]: k any questions?
Khelly [5k\]: So
Khelly [5k\]: Which part was good so I can do it more
Khelly [5k\]: And which part was the most terribly bad
True [5d?\]: overall your sense was nimce
Khelly [5k\]: sense?
True [5d?\]: *nice
Khelly [5k\]: like direction?
True [5d?\]: go sense
True [5d?\]: yea
True [5d?\]: and places to play
True [5d?\]: the bigger problem thus far seems to be
True [5d?\]: you have these strong moves but don't realize your weaknesses in the shape
Khelly [5k\]: It's kind of better/worse than that
Khelly [5k\]: It's like
True [5d?\]: the white moves that cut and punished ended up capturing your A and B stones
Khelly [5k\]: If I try to defend these weaknesses I won't get enough
Khelly [5k\]: kind of fear
True [5d?\]: right
True [5d?\]: so being a strong player is all about balance
True [5d?\]: trying to get the maximum but not leaving weaknesses
True [5d?\]: so that's the difference between why i could invade you at the top
True [5d?\]: and you couldn't invade me at the left
Khelly [5k\]: I like to try to play solid but kyus don't punish so my sense of what is solid is bleh
Khelly [5k\]: When you play a dan they mess up your shape 
True [5d?\]: lol makes sense
Khelly [5k\]: :<
True [5d?\]: yep shape is key
True [5d?\]: but the reason i could do this is cause i set it up
])
(;B[mg]
;W[lg]
;B[og]LB[lj:A][qj:B]C[Khelly [5k\]: with o11
Khelly [5k\]: p10
True [5d?\]: perhaps this
True [5d?\]: p10 i thought was okay
True [5d?\]: its hard to kill this white shape right now
True [5d?\]: so your compensation is to damage the white territory on the right instead
True [5d?\]: you shouldn't think too hard about killing my group, just threatening both sides
Khelly [5k\]: Yeah that's why I wanted to reject the peep and then thsi
Khelly [5k\]: but
Khelly [5k\]: should've given up on killing your group
True [5d?\]: B miai is proper compensation
True [5d?\]: yea
]))
(;W[jq]C[Khelly [5k\]: Do you think that a jump instead of the shoulder like o12 is an idea too
True [5d?\]: this follow up
]))
(;B[mh]C[True [5d?\]: here?
Khelly [5k\]: this or like n13
True [5d?\]: they are all similar
True [5d?\]: all good moves
Khelly [5k\]: Which do you like the bst
Khelly [5k\]: large knight is looking cooler to me
True [5d?\]: maybe this one
True [5d?\]: looks like it covers the top better
Khelly [5k\]: large knights towards the centre are cool
Khelly [5k\]: when moyos are involved
True [5d?\]: ahah
True [5d?\]: so here's something i'd like to teach you
Khelly [5k\]: yes
True [5d?\]: white's strategy for balance
])
(;B[jq]C[True [5d?\]: if you defend your territory normall
Khelly [5k\]: I also heard it applies inf useki
]
;W[mh]C[Khelly [5k\]: k3 was too small
True [5d?\]: white won't need to do any deep invasion
Khelly [5k\]: I couldn't do it
True [5d?\]: just reduce like this
]
(;B[mf]
;W[kh]C[True [5d?\]: cause its easy enough
]
;B[kf]C[Khelly [5k\]: like this I might as well just resign
]
;W[ii]C[True [5d?\]: right
True [5d?\]: black has no choice but to come in
])
(;B[ji]C[Khelly [5k\]: I mean
]
;W[mf]C[True [5d?\]: so
Khelly [5k\]: coming in can be seen as a sort of 
Khelly [5k\]: double sente?
True [5d?\]: it makes reducing the top very easy for white
Khelly [5k\]: Maybe?
True [5d?\]: nah
True [5d?\]: almost
Khelly [5k\]: well
True [5d?\]: but because if they defend
Khelly [5k\]: if you're compelled to defend
True [5d?\]: they lose out
True [5d?\]: they won't defend
Khelly [5k\]: 5k might
Khelly [5k\]: :3
True [5d?\]: so among strong players the only way is generally both players destroy each other's area
True [5d?\]: yea but we're not here to beat only 5ks right?
Khelly [5k\]: We're here to beat you
Khelly [5k\]: of course
True [5d?\]: ahah
True [5d?\]: so yea
True [5d?\]: you can consider this global strategy
Khelly [5k\]: Are you familiar
Khelly [5k\]: with tedomari
True [5d?\]: creating potential also cancels opponent's potential
True [5d?\]: i heard the word
Khelly [5k\]: Oh just heard
True [5d?\]: but forget its meaning
Khelly [5k\]: It's when
Khelly [5k\]: mm
Khelly [5k\]: sensei's can explain better
Khelly [5k\]: but like the last big move in some area globally or locally endgame being like
True [5d?\]: too lazy to look it up
Khelly [5k\]: double its actual worth
True [5d?\]: oh
True [5d?\]: makes sense
Khelly [5k\]: Like even if
Khelly [5k\]: it's not the actual b iggest endgame move
Khelly [5k\]: being tedmoari makes it worth double
True [5d?\]: gotcha
])))
(;W[ng]
;B[nn]TR[nh][hm][jo]C[True [5d?\]: i don't like it when black pokes in through here
True [5d?\]: it exposes a lot of weakpoints
True [5d?\]: and also reduces all the white potential in this area
True [5d?\]: like O6 has
Khelly [5k\]: or a move like
Khelly [5k\]: o12
True [5d?\]: but now K3 is gone
Khelly [5k\]: err
Khelly [5k\]: n12
]))
(;B[hm]C[Khelly [5k\]: Like this centre doesn't look too good for w like in game
]
;W[gl]
;B[hl]C[True [5d?\]: you aren't too bad
True [5d?\]: but i think you should probably sacrifice like this instead
]
;W[gk]
;B[lp]TR[aa][ba][ca][ab][bb][db][ac][ad][bd][ae][be][ce][se][af][bf][df][sf][ag][bg][cg][eg][sg][ah][bh][ch][dh][rh][sh][ai][bi][di][ri][si][aj][bj][cj][rj][sj][ak][bk][ck][rk][sk][al][bl][dl][el][fl][rl][sl][am][bm][cm][dm][em][fm][bn][cn][en][do][eo]SQ[ha][ia][ja][pa][qa][hb][pb][qb][fc][hc][pc][gd][hd][id][od][pd][gq][qq][rq][sq][ar][br][cr][dr][fr][mr][nr][or][pr][qr][as][es]C[Khelly [5k\]: I thought about that too
Khelly [5k\]: mm
True [5d?\]: there's still some weakpoint around F11 for white
Khelly [5k\]: Maybe I thought it gave you too much but
True [5d?\]: so the territory there isn't finished
Khelly [5k\]: One second
Khelly [5k\]: Let me count white's solid pts here
True [5d?\]: hm?
True [5d?\]: k
Khelly [5k\]: About 84?
Khelly [5k\]: Let's say 85
Khelly [5k\]: ish
Khelly [5k\]: maybe a bit more from vague areas
Khelly [5k\]: but the o9 area I dunno what to think of
Khelly [5k\]: So I'll just add 5 and say 90
True [5d?\]: k
Khelly [5k\]: what do you got
True [5d?\]: i have a different counting sense
True [5d?\]: as long as you count black and white with the same method
Khelly [5k\]: What does it give you
True [5d?\]: the difference should be relatively similar
True [5d?\]: i have a lower number than you cause i think of the ajis
Khelly [5k\]: Oh
Khelly [5k\]: I can show you
Khelly [5k\]: what I counted
Khelly [5k\]: if you give control
True [5d?\]: so my numbers for black and white are lower for both
True [5d?\]: its okay
Khelly [5k\]: I really want to!
True [5d?\]: everyone
True [5d?\]: counting style is a bit different
True [5d?\]: bu as long as you count both sides with the same style
True [5d?\]: its likely to show a similar difference
Khelly [5k\]: well
Khelly [5k\]: I still want to show you
Khelly [5k\]: :<
True [5d?\]: lol 
True [5d?\]: fine
Khelly [5k\]: like this
True [5d?\]: ah
True [5d?\]: and b?
Khelly [5k\]: Like this
Khelly [5k\]: you get thie idea
True [5d?\]: yea so that's where you and me differ
Khelly [5k\]: So I have like 88 for b
Khelly [5k\]: so i'll make that 90
True [5d?\]: when i look at b
True [5d?\]: i don't count the M17 area or K3 as certain territory
True [5d?\]: cause there are invasion ajis
True [5d?\]: and i also don't count the O9 are for white either
True [5d?\]: and around E10 area also not as deep
True [5d?\]: so even though black has potential
True [5d?\]: its not certain, so if you want to add it, i suggest you count the potential area and divide by 2
Khelly [5k\]: I hate moyos; they're so hard
Khelly [5k\]: :<
True [5d?\]: its like if white invades one, you can get the other
True [5d?\]: lok
True [5d?\]: lol
True [5d?\]: yea, its about attacking strength and ability to get compensation through fighting and leaning on other areas
Khelly [5k\]: my rank right now is dependent on my last opponent
Khelly [5k\]: he keeps losing
True [5d?\]: lol
Khelly [5k\]: If I Get 4k I know he won his last game
True [5d?\]: lol okay
True [5d?\]: any more questions?
Khelly [5k\]: mmm
Khelly [5k\]: anywhere with wrong direction
True [5d?\]: not much
Khelly [5k\]: yay
Khelly [5k\]: I got something right
True [5d?\]: ya
True [5d?\]: your direction is quite good
True [5d?\]: moves like O12 are very smart
Khelly [5k\]: except when it's not
True [5d?\]: cause if white defends, they get less and you get more
Khelly [5k\]: Actually
Khelly [5k\]: what did you play
Khelly [5k\]: before o12
True [5d?\]: basically forces them to go for exchanges
Khelly [5k\]: I learned that as a ddk
]))
(;B[rf]C[jytsao [?\]: i lost my stones =(
]
;W[re]
;B[rh]C[True [5d?\]: so atari first then here
True [5d?\]: is proper
]
;W[sf]
;B[qh]C[True [5d?\]: you can do a breakthrough here
]
;W[ri]
(;B[si])
(;B[sh]
;W[rc]
;B[nh]C[True [5d?\]: this variation is better
True [5d?\]: for b
True [5d?\]: than the game
True [5d?\]: O12 also helps you expand your top side
])))
(;B[dh]C[True [5d?\]: this atari is better for the local shape
]
(;W[cf]
;B[ch]C[True [5d?\]: for example
True [5d?\]: if you can get this kind of break through
])
(;W[cg]
;B[ch]
;W[eh]
;B[fg]
;W[gf]
;B[he]
;W[cf]
;B[di]C[True [5d?\]: not sure how it will turn out but
True [5d?\]: you can damage the C11 stone later
True [5d?\]: with some method
])))
(;W[gf]
;B[he]C[True [5d?\]: just to prevent this white sente
True [5d?\]: its not as important
]))
(;B[dg]C[True [5d?\]: i think extension is better for this shape
]))
(;B[bf]C[Khelly [5k\]: white would b15
True [5d?\]: this shape is better actually
True [5d?\]: ahah
True [5d?\]: i wanted to cut instead
Khelly [5k\]: so
Khelly [5k\]: since you didn't play it
Khelly [5k\]: I thought I'd take it
True [5d?\]: yea its not bad
]
;W[eb]
;B[fb]
;W[da]C[Khelly [5k\]: I wasn't thinking of the ladder though
True [5d?\]: but since you have 2 cutting points
True [5d?\]: you need to fix with a solid shape
Khelly [5k\]: what if I had played j16
True [5d?\]: instead of an extension
]
(;B[gc]C[Khelly [5k\]: instead
Khelly [5k\]: g16 instead?
True [5d?\]: a solid shape is best here
True [5d?\]: no weakness helps you with the fighting
Khelly [5k\]: mm
Khelly [5k\]: maybe nto
Khelly [5k\]: yeah
Khelly [5k\]: ok
]
;W[mq]
;B[np]
;W[mp]
;B[ei]
;W[ck]
;B[ng]C[True [5d?\]: so instead
True [5d?\]: later in the game
True [5d?\]: if you think about expanding
True [5d?\]: you can think about this kind of movement
True [5d?\]: moves that also affect the opponent's stones at the same time
True [5d?\]: its more efficient
])
(;B[id]C[Khelly [5k\]: I was trying to read out
True [5d?\]: here?
Khelly [5k\]: bumping you into my stone
Khelly [5k\]: with a short ladder
True [5d?\]: its still very not clean
]
;W[fc]C[True [5d?\]: this still works
])
(;B[jd]C[True [5d?\]: no matter what extension you pick
]
;W[fc]
;B[gb]
;W[lc]C[True [5d?\]: there's too many weakpoints
])))