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Old 2010-04-16, 02:42 PM   #61
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Move #18+3/5
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This is what I expect to come. Obviously the farther you go down this variation the less certain I am. This is OK. It's gote, and it lets white build a nice wall, and it weakens my moyo...well, this sucks in a lot of ways, but it gets the monkey off my back. I may skip move 2, or 10, or something; I'll see when I get there.

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Old 2010-04-16, 03:02 PM   #62
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Move #43
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i believe my attack is very flexable and smooth.
he will be the target of my attack for long time.
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Old 2010-04-16, 03:14 PM   #63
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Move #18+3/5
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This is what I expect to come. Obviously the farther you go down this variation the less certain I am. This is OK. It's gote, and it lets white build a nice wall, and it weakens my moyo...well, this sucks in a lot of ways, but it gets the monkey off my back. I may skip move 2, or 10, or something; I'll see when I get there.
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To wms, later:

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This is OK. It's gote, and it lets white build a nice wall, and it weakens my moyo...well, this sucks in a lot of ways, but it gets the monkey off my back.
I do not mean to sound harsh, but that is loser talk. "This is OK. . . . Well, it sucks . . . but it gets the monkey off my back." You make plays against your better judgement. But, in the end, what do you have but your judgement? You talk yourself out of good plays and into bad plays. A change in attitude could easily be worth a couple of stones.

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Old 2010-04-16, 03:25 PM   #64
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Move #44
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Well, so much for predictions.
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Old 2010-04-16, 03:39 PM   #65
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Move #45 and edited: put the stone back sorry!
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white's influence nullify the black on left. and marked black stone has drown.
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Old 2010-04-16, 03:40 PM   #66
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No, I think that move belonged there. WMS just didn't move the mark from M11 to P11.
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Old 2010-04-16, 03:41 PM   #67
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Yes. You deleted a move that *DID* belong there. You took out my last move! I forgot to move the red ring, but otherwise I think my move was all fine.

I assume you'll want a different move now that the stone is back?
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Old 2010-04-16, 03:41 PM   #68
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i have deleted one move that didnt belong there. if problem let me know.
Haha super 2 stone tesuji. I didn't even see it at first, I just remember thinking that Black somehow looked a lot better than I thought.

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Old 2010-04-16, 03:48 PM   #69
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sorry about that...
i edited my post to reflect the change..
if more problem let me know so we will fix them.
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Old 2010-04-16, 03:55 PM   #70
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Move #46
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Wow, magicwand, you amaze me! You play the same whether O11 is there or not? That makes me wonder if O11 did anything useful...

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Well my sucky stones aren't so sucky any more, but my moyo isn't nearly so neat, so it all balances out. If I can get sente for a move on the bottom, that would be awesome, like rainbows and sunshine and butterflies and stuff. But I'm guessing that magicwand wants a move on the bottom just as bad as I do, so he probable won't let me have it.

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