(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[7.50]
PW[Ke Jie]PB[Chen Yaoye]WR[9p]BR[9p]DT[2016-09-20]EV[3rd Bailing Cup, final 1]SO[Go4Go.net]C[Meng Tailing 6p with Liu Zijun 5d (live)

Translated by Daniel Hu 4d.

"Formidable packing up power"

(i.e. winding up a won game)


3rd Bailing cup Final, game 1

We are 10 mins late due to some bug and miscommunication. This is such an important competition, we are very sorry for such a screw up.

Chen's form is very good this competition. Each round, his opponent has been stronger than Ke Jie's, and he won 2-0 rather than 2-1 in the semi-final.

Bailing cup is best of 5, with nigiri, and nigiri on the 5th game. I think that getting W the first game is slightly favourable, as the 3rd game is the Battle of Mt Tenno (i.e. critical), so having white will have a bit of an advantage.

My game statistics have over 10% difference between black and white, and my feelings are very influence by the colour.

But this sort of thing shouldn't affect them that much.

Ke Jie has lost a lot of important games to Chen YaoYe, their over all record is 5-5 though I think.]RE[B+Resign]
;B[qd]
;W[dd]
;B[pq]
;W[dq]
;B[oc]
;W[po]
;B[qo]
;W[qn]
;B[qp]
;W[pm]
(;B[co]C[this move is very unusual. It is normal to approach around here when W's stone is a 4-4, as B's follow up is more severe. If W plays on the right, I don't know what B will play. So most people wouldn't play like this.]
;W[nd]C[The next few moves, spectators won't understand the meaning.

In the opening, you can play at will, as long as you have a plan with objectives. Pincering on the left or following up on the right would all be normal.

What is the meaning of this move?

It does look a lot like a ladder breaker]
(;B[od]C[this is normal, of course, this is fine too.

so it looks like a ladder breaker, but we fine that it doesn't have any connection to the bottom left ...

Ke's play is quite free. This is a strong point of his. But sometimes it can be a weak point. I don't mean this situation, it's still so open, it can't be bad, I just mean sometimes.

Liu: But Chen's speciality is quite clear cut isn't it

Meng: especially when he was young. 

Liu: "first grab, later loot"

Meng: crawling on the ground on the 3rd line.

His pinnacle and Takemiya's didn't overlap. I do feel a bit regretful, I do wonder how a game between them would go. I think his younger self's obsession with territory was Cho Chikun's exhanced edition.

But that's not the important thing. The important thing is he is synonymised with 2nd and 3rd line territory.

But now he is much more balanced than before. With a much better global judgement.

Ke Jie is different. He is very balanced. And so flexible. Other top players play much more right. You can see how hard it is to be flexible in that context.

So their styles are quite different. On similarities their moves are both quite straightforward, but in different ways.

We can only view this shoulder-hit in that context of simple moves.]
;W[ck]
;B[ep]
;W[eq]
;B[fp]
;W[gq]
;B[cq]
;W[qe]C[this time it really is a ladder breaker]
(;B[fq]C[[idiom\]

Chen Yaoye's choice is

Knowing the mountain has tigers, goes up the tiger mountain.

(i.e. he is undeterred by the dangers)

This is a daring choice.]
;W[fr]
;B[gr]C[for this cut

actually I have played this as b in 2002! Against Luo Xihe 9p.

Liu: you're such a data bank

I was just a youth. That game at the 2 point endgame moves first I lost 1 point, then of the 2 point moves, I chose a first line hane connect with less ko threats. And finally I lost the final ko by one ko threat. I lost by 0.5 point. That's why I remember it so clearly.]
;W[er]
(;B[dp]C[B chose just a straightforward method.

Today the word straightforward may come up 100 times, you need to prepare.

Normally you'd think B's push and cut lost a bit, but I just judged it a bit and think it's not clear. If you play D4 directly, you are still a bit scared of the hane at C2 later.

The white stones would still be light, and B's control of the territory wouldn't be as strong as in the game.]
(;W[hr]
;B[cr]C[and B can still attack W.

from these last few moves we can see their styles. B got the corner territory]
;W[rd]
;B[qc]C[now we find that the shoulder hit at O16 lost something, originally you could have kept playing locally

locally B doesn't have to play another move at Q14 to exchange with R12, as W has no follow up, so B has a local profit.

So even though the cut at G2 lost a bit, overall it is acceptable.]
(;W[cf]C[You can't say this is a good move.

This shows the player's styles again.

He says he always wanted to attach R15, and even got the S16 hane, so how can you attack me?

It's quite a clear play, but B has to attack now, it's just a question of which position.]
(;B[qi]C[a further pincer is a normal play]
;W[qg]
;B[ql]
(;W[rm]C[more tough]
;B[pl]C[after this B's shape is stronger, if W hane's the cut aji remains.

The next move is probably very hard to think of for fans but from our perspective is very easy to think of. It's just shape. But hard to explain this sort of aji protection]
;W[ro]
;B[mq]C[B first goes on the outside is natural]
;W[ol]
;B[ok]
;W[nk]
;B[oj]
;W[nl]C[we find that after this sequence, S4 still has the value of one move, so that means S5 originally is also worth one move.

Now B needs to be severe on the 3 stones on the upper right.

He needs to prove the value of the pincer. Otherwise what was the purpose of it? The W group below is already healthy, with it's head in the centre, and S5 taking out a chunk of the corner points.

You already lost a bit below, so you have to attack.]
(;B[og]C[once again we see Ke play straightforward. The truth is that living on the top right isn't hard]
(;W[oe]C[so W plays straightforward]
;B[ne]
;W[nf]
;B[pe]
;W[me]
;B[pf]C[so W quickly took a central stone but the right side has died.

The proverb "a ponnuki in the centre is worth 30 points" is merely a saying to praise the value, not as if it's really 30 points. The side is clearly bigger. If B blocks at S8 it is about 40 points. Now it is only about 35 points. So 50 points on the board, that is quite tiring for W to make up. But the kill is not totally clean, so perhaps that is why Ke plays this way.

Liu: Do you think that due to their different styles, after this locality, both sides think they are doing well?

Meng: it's possible, very possible. When playing go, there are more optimists who think they are doing well.]
;W[qf]C[if W's aji here is quite full, then it is unacceptable for B. This is a strong point of Ke.

He's sacrificed it all, but still connects. Makes you feel you aren't playing go. But it really does make you feel very uncomfortable.]
(;B[rc]C[this is to stop W getting O17 in sente.

]
;W[qj]C[This is Ke's strong point. Why is he strong. He can see things others don't. 

Perhaps most people wouldn't see this.

Liu: and this is the sort of thing that will influence who wins.

Meng: yeah, if in a local area you lose 2 points compared to your judgement, say in all 4 corners. Then suddenly you lose a komi, then can you still hold on?

It's really painful whatever you play here]
(;B[rj]C[only move]
;W[ri]
;B[rh]
;W[pi]
;B[qh]
;W[rk]
;B[si]C[to kill W, B has to let W get these 3 free stones. So W's plan is certainly successful.

Liu: we have lots to learn here

Meng: yes, though these things are really hard to learn. This is where he is strong

So I think W is alright. But this territory is B's style.]
;W[id]C[this move would be normal. Ah so he does play here. This is a first feeling move.

We play in a balanced position for the corner and the right ponnuki.]
(;B[dj]C[A normal play against a double wing moyo

The meaning is that I don't fear you surrounding 3rd line territory

This is another reason for B's solid play on the bottom left. W is a bit close and low. This is a bit painful for W]
(;W[ci]C[very interesting move, very special. very unusual.

This also says C9 was not well played.]
;B[he]C[such a clear play.

Top players are always looking globally. Not just locally you've scraped through, and I accept it.

We just said you can't shoulder hit a 4th line stone, but ladder breakers are different

Wow, both players are playing so well.]
;W[hd]
;B[cj]
;W[bj]
(;B[bk]
(;W[di]C[so it looks like W has to play here, though it looks extremely strange. When B cuts, W pushes from behind.

But if so, I think W should simply not block at B10 and push directly. I'm guessing Ke didn't think about B cutting on the lower side.]
(;B[bi]C[this result is quite extreme. W's original extension at C9 has been directly eaten. W gets two slaps in the centre]
;W[ej]
;B[dk]
;W[ek]
(;B[aj]C[you must capture this

B doesn't need to worry about the centre with the iron on the bottom left, and heads out at N3 and P10/13]
;W[el]C[this is not because it is big on points, but to protect the cut at E11

we keep finding B gets the territory.

Their play is very interesting.

I said both players play very clear. You see that they haven't gotten tangled up in a local area yet, and quickly move on.]
(;B[dc]
;W[ec]
;B[ed]
;W[cc]
;B[db]
;W[fc]C[B tenukis. Their play is so fast.

B preserves the points bomb in the corner. Now B just needs to worry about the centre.]
;B[mh]C[B's global judgement comes into play now. It's very hard to surround the centre. But now W has E8, this move is very urgent, as the main hole in W's centre. Also it aims at potential to harass N15]
;W[de]C[I don't feel B's play here profited. W did get a lot more solid than directly protecting. And the aji was always there, but it's his style.]
;B[dl]
(;W[lh]C[when top players surround the centre, you often see them sticking close up to enemy stones.

It looks very strange, but it's really that they have no alternative as the centre is too hard to surround.]
;B[li]C[obviously B hanes.

W needs to be careful W harms the bottom right group.]
;W[nh]C[this move is unimaginable.

I guess it is still to build the centre]
(;B[lg]
;W[ng]
;B[kh]C[this play, is full of spirit

I'm not certain who profited. I need to take some time.

their play is all very interesting]
;W[pg]
;B[qk]
;W[of]
;B[pd]
;W[ph]C[The centre potential is all gone. W needs to protect the cut at E11 soon]
(;B[mc]C[this is too big in points]
;W[ih]
;B[pj]C[this move is full of aji, connecting to the centre, threatening W a little. It's really hard to put a value on this sort of aji.]
;W[jf]C[but looking at it now, I think W has profited from the exchange. Rescuing the right is 20 points.

But the game is still unclear. The gap must be very small.]
;B[jr]C[this is the profit from B's thickness]
;W[jq]
;B[kq]
;W[np]
;B[nq]
;W[ir]
;B[jp]
;W[iq]
;B[rp]C[break your eyes and huge in territory]
;W[sp]
;B[sq]
;W[so]
;B[rr]
(;W[ij]C[get more points and help the right side group]
(;B[lk]C[I'm not sure about this move. It's not really attacking W either.]
;W[ll]
;B[kl]
;W[lm]
;B[nn]
;W[on]
;B[no]
;W[mk]
;B[kk]
;W[ni]
;B[kc]C[This is saying the centre isn't worth much unless there are life and death issues. And this is huge.

So take the concrete points first.]
;W[op]C[a bit painful for B]
;B[mp]
;W[oq]
;B[or]
;W[pp]
;B[pr]C[I don't see B's profit of the plays in the centre, and B is not so solid anymore]
;W[lo]
;B[jg]
;W[if]
;B[mo]
;W[mi]
;B[il]
;W[jb]C[this is more than 15 points]
;B[kr]C[judgement is a weakness of mine, but to improve I need to practice.

B has over 60 points

W has 55 points.

My feeling is that W is very slightly leading.

But I haven't counted some points on the side for B or points for W in the centre.

These long endgames are normal for Chen Yaoye.


In the Chinese City A League since 2012. I've played Chen 5 times. I took B every time!

One of those, after the first 3 losses, I was given a call by Liu Xiao Guang saying whether I'd like to be board 1 against Chen. I was so happy, we were home team, I would finally take white (I didn't understand this story very well), and then he said, how about as black, and I could only hold in all my words. We were near relegation then, so I said ok. And that was the one game of the 5 I won!

And in these games, however you are doing in the opening or middlegame, he always has the power to turn it into an endgame.

So though I say W is slightly ahead, B is Chen YaoYe.

Ke's endgame is not so good at the opening or the endgame.]
;W[ip]
;B[ei]
(;W[eh]
(;B[em]
;W[hl]
;B[hm]
;W[hk]
(;B[cg]C[I don't understand this move.]
;W[dg]
;B[ch]
;W[fi]
;B[kb]C[whether K17 or J18 is better is so hard to say. whether the centre or the 4 points on the 1st line is bigger.

b has about 70, w about 65, it's still very close.

S8 is 7 points, and slightly concerns W's life. B14 is 8 points.

S15 is so hard to count. Do you want to guess or work it out? ignoring the T15 possibility for ko

Liu: oh no, I want to guess. ... It's 6 points ... a bit more?

Meng: it's 5 5/6. This is quite difficult.


[i'm not sure about this. I counted 6 1/4\]
I predict this will be 0.5 point win/loss.

Liu: then later you will be embarrassed

Meng: oh. you may be right.

Liu: doesn't that often happen :)

Meng: well, but what can I do? Should I not give a prediction?

In fact I predict B wins by 0.5

Liu: wow, so precise.

notice how the play in the centre with the 2 weak groups, neither side made any points. Both had some potential which all disappeared

From recent form, Chen has been very strong, and Ke's has not been great compared to his best.

Ke reaching the final has not been based so much on his skill but the weakness of his opponents. Min Sangyoun is the well known weird player. Xu Jiayang is strong, but young, and for him to be in the quarter final is quite special.

Weon Seongjin reached his peak in the last decade and won his first world title with the 2011 Samsung cup.

2013 he reached final of the LG cup, and then went on military service. Who has ever heard of someone doing well in go after doing military service? And he is already over 30.]
;W[jc]
;B[ja]
;W[ia]
;B[ka]
;W[ib]
(;B[gm]
;W[bg]
;B[bh]
;W[jo]C[at this point, I think that W is more likely to win by 0.5.

Liu: in a moment Meng changes his mind.

Meng: but I'll still keep to my prediction that Chen wins by 0.5]
;B[kp]
;W[bf]
;B[rl]C[7 1/3 point W isn't totally settled due to H4 and W can't yet cut at J7]
(;W[fm]C[oh!

This requires calculation. Does this work?]
(;B[ho]C[but B can play here?

so he does. I don't know what to say about Ke?
Ke thinks he doesn't have enough?

I think we need to judge this after the game. He has actively started this fight when he could have just F8. He's going all out.]
(;W[hp]
;B[gp]
;W[fn]C[the sense for who is winning is strong behind the wedge.]
(;B[ke]C[what? what does this mean?

this must be misrecorded]
;W[kf]
;B[gs]
;W[im]
;B[lf]C[this makes no sense]
(;W[in]
;B[le]C[what is the meaning of these moves?

oh! B is making himself so solid, so he says in one move he saves his group and wins the ko at G3 already!

Their play is so good. Too good. Every move you need to careful examine. If you can't understand, then that just means your skill is insufficient. Such as me.]
;W[go]
;B[en]
;W[fo]
;B[hq]
;W[nc]
;B[nb]
;W[gq]
;B[is]
;W[hs]
;B[hq]
;W[js]C[B winning the ko locally gained 17 on the left but lost 1 2/3 on the right, so over 15 points. In the centre W got 16 points, so W gained very slightly in this exchange. 
But B has two extra moves at L15 and M15. The value of this is next to zero after W N16.

So whoever was winning before is still winning now.]
;B[md]C[aa! B thinks he's losing and doesn't end the ko?

But B is clearly winning?

Liu: so he thinks the ko is fine?

That's the only possible reason. But if he is winning, he doesn't need to worry about this.

The value of this move is pretty small though. Oh! oh! But w has the move M16! So its actually quite big, so he fights for these reverse sente 5 points

Very correct play.

Huh? But B could have played K15 to protect those points, so it's just reverse sente 3 points. 

Oh! Oh! It concerns W's life and death too so B can win the ko.

B has too many ko threats, including F8]
;W[gq]
;B[nm]
;W[om]
;B[hq]
;W[rq]
;B[qq]
;W[gq]
;B[oi]
;W[oh]
;B[hq]
;W[sc]
;B[sb]
;W[gq]
;B[bc]
;W[cb]
;B[hq]
;W[re]
;B[gq]C[I think the phrase I've said most today is their play is so good.

this game is B+10 on the board.


Chen Yao ye is 2nd in Chinese Rankings at the moment, but considering over history, he is number 1. In the top 5 for 10 years, top 3 much of that time.

Many have 1 world title like him, but he wins on world runner's ups. His style of endgame strength naturally leads to stability in ranking.

He held the Tianyuan for a record 8 years in a row.])
(;W[le]C[what can B do here?]
;B[jm]
;W[in]
;B[kn]
;W[go]
;B[ld]
;W[re]C[W needs to live]
;B[hq]))
(;B[gl]
(;W[fl]C[if you connect I don't think W is good]
;B[gk])
(;W[im]C[I don't know about the cut]))
(;B[ik]C[how about this?])
(;B[kf]C[the record must be wrong it must be this]))
(;W[io]
;B[gp]
;W[gs]
;B[fl])
(;W[fn]
;B[hp]
(;W[io]
;B[kn]
;W[jm]
;B[jn]
;W[km]
;B[im]
;W[jl]
;B[ln]C[ this exchange is much worse for W.

Ke's confidence in his calculation is so strong. But the wedge looks like overplay. I don't understand what his plan is.])
(;W[jm]
;B[im]
;W[km]
(;B[io]C[this exchange is still worse for W]
;W[jl])
(;B[ik]C[even this is a big loss]
;W[io]
;B[gl]
;W[fl]
;B[hj]
;W[gk]
;B[gj]
;W[fk]
;B[ii]))))
(;B[fl]C[this doesn't work]
;W[fn]
;B[gl]
;W[en]
;B[dm]
;W[im]))
(;W[fl]C[this is very big, even not smaller than S15. I don't know where to respond for B]
;B[ho]C[this doesn't look like a good move.

W can cut

hmm, but then W has life and death issues, so F7 is not sente ...

H5 is a fine move.]
(;W[im])
(;W[fm]
;B[hp])
(;W[io]
;B[im]
;W[re]
;B[sm]
;W[rn]
;B[hp]
;W[ko]
;B[sc]
;W[fm]
;B[fn]
;W[ah]C[gosh this is 4 points in sente, so big, B can't let this happen, so B needs to connect at F7])))
(;B[bg]C[if it were me, I would play this in a second

B15  follow up is unblockable. This is a double sente 1 point.]))
(;B[ch]
(;W[fi]
;B[bg]
;W[lb]C[did he fear this?]
;B[bc]C[this doesn't work]
;W[bd]
;B[cb]
;W[ac]
;B[cd]
;W[be]
;B[ab]
;W[ba])
(;W[dh]
;B[cg]
;W[bg]C[maybe he feared this]
;B[bh]
;W[dg]C[I can only guess])))
(;B[kb]C[B still has to return to this


counting again, B has a few extra points at L1 and so on, so actually B seems about 66, W 55. So W is not leading.

S8 is 7 points, K17/J18 is about 10 points

B13 is reverse sente 5 points]
;W[dm]C[I wonder if W can play here. I'm not sure]
;B[em]
;W[cl]
;B[bj]
;W[fm]
;B[en]
;W[bh]))
(;W[ch]C[this is the other possibility.])
(;W[fi]C[this isn't possible]
(;B[dg])
(;B[ch]
;W[eh]
;B[bg])))
(;B[oi]
;W[oh]
;B[mj]C[this still seems proper to me.

I don't think B is behind]))
(;W[mj]C[I think this is a good shape]
;B[oi]
;W[oh]
;B[ni]C[W has profited already and can tenuki]))
(;B[hh]C[this seems possible, eyeing the cut. This is my style

It's hard to say and judge]
;W[nc]
;B[ei]
;W[fi]
;B[eh]
;W[fh]
;B[eg]
;W[fg]))
(;B[ni]C[if you respond here, W finding something on the right is impossible]
;W[mg]
;B[mi]
;W[oh]
;B[pg]C[But maybe W gets profit in the centre and gets solid so B at N17 is gote]
;W[kh]))
(;W[kh]C[It's pointless to softly surround the centre]
;B[mc]C[B can nibble all over the place]
;W[kd]
;B[ho]C[this sort of thing maybe sente]
;W[kq]
;B[ik]
;W[hi]
;B[bh]
;W[cg]C[soon you will only have surrounded a tiny area.

Liu: sometimes us amateurs spend a move on the centre, but our opponent reduces and surrounds even more in the centre than us!]))
(;B[ei]
;W[fi]
;B[eh]
;W[dg]
;B[fj]C[this no longer does anything]))
(;B[dl]
;W[bh]
;B[aj]C[capture is still 16 points or so, so this is still huge, maybe even the biggest move now]))
(;AE[bj][bk]
;B[bj]C[B has to do this]
;W[ej]
(;B[dk]C[this is better than the game])
(;B[ek]C[are you scared of this? surely not]
;W[fj]
;B[dk])))
(;W[bl]C[B says he doesn't fear W playing here]
;B[bi]
;W[ak]
;B[ch]C[normally letting W get this ponnuki is not good, but here it is too close to B thickness. Your head is butting against a wall.

But this judgement takes time, and needs lots of go strength.])
(;W[bi]
;B[cl]C[if like this W's C9 stone was so terribly placed.]
;AE[bi][ci][bj][cj][bk][ck][cl]C[as if this position]
;W[ci]
;B[cj]
;W[bj]
;B[bk]
;W[bi]C[B's profit is already big and the cut at C9 loses W even more. You can't turn it into a story about a ladder breaker, due to the B iron wall.]))
(;B[bi]C[his meaning is that he fears W will take this sacrifices. I guess it's true]
;W[bh]))
(;W[dk]
;B[ej]
;W[ek]
;B[fj]C[The more W presses, the more B's wall influences the moyo, but W's wall face to face with B's thickness has no meaning.

So you almost can't consider this])
(;W[cj]C[this is very painful too]
;B[dh]
;W[ch]C[if you attach there's all sort of wedge aji]
;B[dc]C[you messed me around on the right, but I can mess you around here

I think go is like a silent dispute]))
(;B[he]C[you wouldn't play here giving up 4th line territory]
;W[hd]))
(;B[pj]C[you can't play here]
;W[ri]
;B[rj]
;W[rh]
(;B[re]
;W[rk]C[it's already ko for life]
;B[qk]
;W[sj])
(;B[qk]
;W[sd]
;B[rf]
;W[sf]
;B[sg]
;W[re]))
(;B[ri]
;W[ph]C[this can't be ok]
;B[ni]
;W[pi]
;B[pj]
;W[rj]
;B[rk]
;W[sj]
;B[si]
;W[rh]
;B[qk]
;W[sh]
;B[sk]
;W[sd]C[top players games are such a piece of artwork

they keep attaching inside and you can easily make a mistake.

Perhaps W doesn't profit living here immediately, but B will always owe a move, and then what is B doing?]))
(;B[ng]C[B has to kill]
;W[rh]C[W both lives and has a ponnuki])
(;B[rh]C[this looks a bit tight on liberties]
;W[rc]
;B[rb]C[W really wants O17 in sente]
;W[pg]
(;B[of]
;W[oh]
(;B[ng]
;W[pi]C[oh dear])
(;B[ph]C[only move]
;W[ng]C[B gets pushed back a lot]
;B[pd]
(;W[oi])
(;W[nc])))
(;B[oh]
;W[pb]C[serious trouble for B])))
(;W[rf]C[this lives])
(;W[rh]C[this lives])
(;W[pf]C[this too]
;B[of]
;W[rf]C[but the proof of the value in B's pincer is his huge wall]
;B[ic]))
(;B[nj]C[this will not prove any value]
;W[nf]
;B[lj]
;W[kl]C[neither side will have any points, so B didn't get anything.]))
(;W[pl]
(;B[rn]C[as B is missing a stone at O3 I think he may hane here])
(;B[pk]C[this is also possible but I don't know if it is acceptable for B]
;W[ok]
;B[pj]
;W[rl])
(;B[qk]C[this would be a W profit getting B heavier]
(;W[rm])
(;W[oq]C[or even more straight forward]))))
(;B[qg]C[you can't really come too close as ]
;W[pf]C[this makes good use of O16]
;B[ne]
;W[pg]))
(;AE[nd][od]
(;W[pe])
(;W[rc])
(;W[pf]))
(;W[pe]C[you can no longer play here]
;B[oe])
(;W[qh]C[normally you'd need another move.]))
(;AE[er][gr]
;W[]
;B[cr]C[If B still has to come back here later, the efficiency is not very good, compare to this variation]
(;AE[dp][cq][cr][fr]AW[fq][hq][gr]AB[gp][dq][gq][dr]C[moving some stones along helps B a lot - an extra 4 points. And yet locally we don't think this is good for B.

So in the game he stubbornly cut.])
(;W[jq]C[like this W would play here])
(;W[er]C[not here])))
(;B[hr]C[I played that game like this]
;W[dp]
;B[do]
;W[cp]
;B[bp]
;W[bq]
;B[bo]C[forcefully saying you need to retreat and protect.]
(;W[cr]
;B[hp]C[like this W is collapsed even with the ladder])
(;W[gp]C[he played here, leaving the corner locally dead. W emphasises the urgency of the outside.

I seem to remember I didn't lose out locally.])))
(;B[pe]C[it's hard for B to choose]
;W[qf]
;B[rd]C[certainly here W hasn't lost out locally.

(and globally got the ladder in sente)

and the shoulder hit at O16 isn't clear, though it probably hasn't profited.]
;W[dp]
;B[do]
;W[cp]C[W needs the ladder here]
;B[fq]C[and W has it])
(;B[pf]C[this is the other local option. This seems normal]
;W[rd]
;B[qc]
;W[qh]C[W's plan is that W needed an extension, and got some profit in the corner.

Though whether this really is profitable is unclear. At least it's a plan. This should be normal for B.]))
(;B[nc]C[just crawling is fine I think]
;W[qe]
;B[pd]C[The attachment is comfortable for W, but the shoulder hit seems to be a negative. So I think this is still acceptable for B.]))
(;B[nq]
(;W[qe]C[Liu: This has been so popular this past year. This is Meng's special move.

Meng: Well, not quite in this shape. If the lower right was 4-4, I would always approach it and then attach here.

But this is also very common. Before alphago this was played so much. And after it, many tried to imitate it's play in game 5 against Lee Sedol.]
;B[pe]
;W[qf]
;B[rd]
;W[pf]
(;B[ql]
;W[oe]
;B[pl]
;W[ol]
;B[om]
;W[ok]
;B[nm]
;W[qj]
;B[rn]C[after alphago, people liked W, but I wonder if it was a sort of blind faith in alphago.

But we did find that people don't play this variation anymore. One reason is people think this is bad for B so they extend at P15. Another reason is they think this is bad for W (laughter), so they poke at P4 before attaching on the top right. (so there is no cut at P7)])
(;B[oe]C[very common now]
;W[pj]))
(;W[op]C[or this]
;B[oq]
;W[qe]
;B[pe]
;W[qf]
;B[rd]
;W[pf]
;B[oe]
;W[pj]))
(;B[mq]C[in the game was this shape, so]
;W[qe]
;B[pe]
;W[qf]
;B[rd]
(;W[pf]
;B[ql]
(;W[oe]
;B[pl]
;W[ol]
;B[om]
;W[ok]
;B[nm]
;W[qj]
;B[rn]C[the efficiency of N3 is higher than at O3. A game is decided on details, so a difference of one line can be the difference in who has the advantage.])
(;W[mp]C[even Chen Yaoye has played this too, about 3 1/2 months ago. So W sees the right as light]
;B[rn]
;W[lq]
;B[nq]
;W[oe]C[people thought this was alright for W]))
(;W[mp]C[Ke Jie has said there is this move before, but he didn't play it today.])))