(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2] RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[3600]OT[25/600 Canadian] GN[Nelis-mathmo(B) IGS]PW[Nelis]PB[mathmo]WR[3d]BR[4d]DT[2016-09-21]CP[ Copyright (c) PANDANET Inc. 2016 Permission to reproduce this game is given, provided proper credit is given. No warrantee, implied or explicit, is understood. Use of this game is an understanding and agreement of this notice. ]EV[Internet Go Server game: Nelis vs mathmo]PC[IGS: igs.joyjoy.net 6969]US[Brought to you by IGS PANDANET]C[ Nelis 3d : 130 have a nice game mathmo 4d+: 130 hi mathmo 4d+: 130 board 3 This game was so peaceful. I won by less than I hoped, but I can be content to win. I had thought I won this in the endgame from a worse position before I found all my endgame mistakes. Still a lot to improve on. I probably gained about 8 points directly after move 104 as he let me get C2 6 point double sente, but actually totalling things up, I subsequently seem to have lost about 5 points in the rest of the endgame. The tally includes: I left a 7 point sente monkey jump open, losing about 10 points, and at the end of big endgame, missed that S2 was 9 points, and lost 3 points from that. I gained a few since we both played things in the wrong order and I got the final 11 pointer when we both played 6 point moves. And finally gained 4 points from his weird time trouble style mistakes when we were down to 2 point endgames. I got so nervous about an accidental misclick. ]RE[B+4.50]LT[]NB[32]NW[31]RR[Normal] ;B[pd]BL[3569] ;W[dp]WL[3597] ;B[pp]BL[3560]C[I am most familiar and comfortable with 4-4, and almost never play 3-4, so I for my nerves, I stay safe.] ;W[dc]WL[3593] ;B[de]BL[3557] ;W[cg]WL[3520] ;B[cc]BL[3550] ;W[gc]WL[3511] ;B[dd]BL[3544] ;W[db]WL[3500] ;B[cf]BL[3540] ;W[dh]WL[3492] ;B[cb]BL[3537]C[I am pretty comfortable with this joseki as B with simple solid territory where I can easily calculate endgame.] ;W[bf]WL[3469] ;B[be]BL[3531] ;W[df]WL[3455] ;B[ce]BL[3529] (;W[ef]WL[3454]C[never seen this before, and I am a bit of a joseki database.] (;B[fq]BL[3455]C[this joseki may be simple, and I thought this was my style, but actually this will lead to a more complicated game than the approaching the other side.] ;W[dn]WL[3419] ;B[dr]BL[3452] ;W[cq]WL[3377] ;B[iq]BL[3449] ;W[qn]WL[3317] ;B[np]BL[3440] ;W[rp]WL[3247] ;B[qq]BL[3437] ;W[qk]WL[3246] ;B[nc]BL[3431] (;W[qd]WL[3153]C[a bit weird ] ;B[qe]BL[3386] (;W[re]WL[3032]C[this is no longer a pro joseki though, so I'd put it as very questionable sequence from W] ;B[rd]BL[3382] ;W[qc]WL[3030] ;B[rc]BL[3380] ;W[pe]WL[2985] ;B[qf]BL[3378] ;W[pc]WL[2980] ;B[od]BL[3376] ;W[rf]WL[2969] ;B[rb]BL[3373] ;W[qg]WL[2968] ;B[pf]BL[3372] ;W[og]WL[2965] ;B[of]BL[3371] ;W[nf]WL[2964] ;B[pg]BL[3365]C[i don't know if this is a good move] ;W[ph]WL[2964] ;B[oe]BL[3364] (;W[qh]WL[2861]C[later, there is some aji around N17 or O18 that can lead to a one step ko in the corner, T15 sente doesn't help. I expected this protection] (;B[ng]BL[3342]C[this felt like I wanted some centre control, but now it looks a bit questionable.] ;W[oh]WL[2817] ;B[mg]BL[3339]C[this just doesn't feel clearly big in terms of solid territory, but there's no question that it is one of the biggest moves on the board] ;W[jo]WL[2810] (;B[hp]BL[3302]C[standard solid shape to deal with potential of W moyo, but looks so slow. but perhaps this was the wrong time to fight. This certainly didn't go very well. But at least it simplified the game.] ;W[jq]WL[2801] (;B[hn]BL[3296]C[I don't attack this move is pretty vague] ;W[ir]WL[2791] ;B[hr]BL[3255] ;W[ip]WL[2773]C[crude, but seems alright when followed up by the upcoming crude move] ;B[hq]BL[3253] ;W[mq]WL[2764] ;B[nq]BL[3248] ;W[mp]WL[2758] ;B[ic]BL[3121]C[incredibly big, I want W to connect in dame while protecting N17 etc aji.] ;W[id]WL[2724] (;B[jd]BL[3105] (;W[hd]WL[2701] (;B[jc]BL[3101]C[B's profit here is immense as W's shape is not good, for example F18 aji.] ;W[rq]WL[2661]C[but this is very severe, as I knew it would be] (;B[pn]BL[3093]C[but this directly loses lots of territory and potential for reduction. if only I had Q8 ... this was also a bit of a probe to see if he would retreat at R7 (which would be wrong)] ;W[pm]WL[2544] ;B[qo]BL[3090] (;W[ro]WL[2540] ;B[qm]BL[3089] ;W[rn]WL[2540] ;B[om]BL[2911]C[looks like I spent 3 minutes deciding whether to extend or atari (heavy or light) I decide the hane at N5 was the key point in the shape to get, so played light here. I think I already felt something had gone slightly wrong locally and my position wasn't great, but I couldn't find what I had done wrong. And I still can't see anything too clearly other than getting Q8 before O13.] ;W[pl]WL[2499] (;B[mo]BL[2909] ;W[lo]WL[2494]C[I'm not sure this hane is good] ;B[ln]BL[2877]C[correct shape to settle locally, make W overconcentrated] ;W[mn]WL[2455]C[I felt this was questionable and still do, You fix B's shape] ;B[no]BL[2875] ;W[lm]WL[2361]C[what?! I don't think W is in so much trouble as to need this move. Perhaps it is alright to get sente, but the local loss is huge] ;B[kn]BL[2871] ;W[ko]WL[2359] ;B[km]BL[2809] ;W[dk]WL[2254]C[makes sense This did not make me feel comfortable. I started repeatedly counting here and did not feel good about my position] ;B[kr]BL[2673]C[correct locally] (;W[kq]WL[2008]C[i didn't think of this move] (;B[lr]BL[2623]C[oh dear, what a confused mistake. I thought the was no reason not to play here, but I got myself be disconnected in sente. That is actually worth a lot in terms of points, especially due to C2. And yet though my reasons for playing this were confused, perhaps it is still the best move] ;W[jm]WL[1856]C[but the advantage of M2 is to make B strong on the outside, force W to run. B naturally protects against N7. But the problem is W gets solid too and this works well with W's moyos] (;B[ll]BL[2618]C[B happy to protect, but it gets so few points] (;W[kl]WL[1848] ;B[mm]BL[2617] ;W[jn]WL[1847] ;B[nn]BL[2616] ;W[hm]WL[1733] ;B[gm]BL[2613] ;W[hl]WL[1732] ;B[fn]BL[2458]C[spent plenty of time wanting to fight with this and not immediately protect, push at G8 jump at E7 or something, but thought is was very anyway, that W could be expected to respond and that I wasn't scared of G8] (;W[fk]WL[1712]C[this leaves a dangerous cut though, perhaps a little slack but G8 requires reading] ;B[jf]BL[2382]C[very big] (;W[kg]WL[1341]C[locally very powerful, but I'm not sure it works that well with W's left moyo] ;B[jg]BL[2272]C[this was as a result of a misread I only just picked up on.] (;W[kh]WL[1324] (;B[kf]BL[2262] ;W[jh]WL[1295] ;B[hg]BL[2240]C[I don't think W gained anything from this] ;W[lf]WL[1149] (;B[lg]BL[2042] (;W[mh]WL[1121]C[what?! I was pretty surprised to see such a basic and important mistake.] ;B[mf]BL[2035] ;W[hb]WL[1104]C[very big] ;B[cr]BL[2029]C[and he even let me play here. This was sente for him, even if I could harass the top group as this is bigger and the aji at the top if I try to kill is bad At this point I wondered if I might have a good chance in this game after all.] ;W[br]WL[1098] ;B[dq]BL[1957] ;W[cp]WL[1088] ;B[ih]BL[1776] ;W[lh]WL[981] ;B[qr]BL[1574]C[this is reverse sente for 6 points so clearly the largest point] ;W[mr]WL[966]C[correct, especially after R2] ;B[jr]BL[1570] ;W[fb]WL[622]C[I'm not sure about this move, though I can't say it's too bad, but it does seem a little slow. I guess he is defending against D19, making sure he is totally alive, and removing aji of H17 for the monkey jump.] ;B[ol]BL[1469]C[this seemed incredibly big with a rough calculation, but really it seems only 5 points or so ] ;W[nh]WL[604] ;B[le]BL[1465] ;W[ka]WL[591] ;B[kb]BL[1460] ;W[ja]WL[585] ;B[la]BL[1441] (;W[ib]WL[582] ;B[jb]BL[1439] ;W[ia]WL[572] ;B[lb]BL[1406]C[I wanted to protect cleverly the aji at R18 too, but I didn't see an obvious way. It was too tricky to worry about. He got 7 or 8 points in sente here. It's shocking I would miss this as the biggest move.] ;W[ok]WL[570] ;B[nk]BL[1402] ;W[bg]WL[522]C[this is 8 points or even 10 points if W can't fight the subsequent 1st line ko. Though B doesn't have many threats, the ko is so heavy for W, W has no threats] ;B[oj]BL[1357] ;W[pk]WL[518] ;B[mj]BL[1322]C[crazily big like 12 points or so, W should have taken this.] ;W[gh]WL[353]C[huge. Very hard to count, but less than 10 points I think] ;B[hi]BL[1284]C[necessary though bad shape] ;W[gj]WL[219] ;B[bs]BL[1280]C[4 points in sente] ;W[ar]WL[200]C[9+ points] ;B[ep]BL[1229]C[huge, like 11 points ] ;W[kk]WL[89]C[threatening J11] ;B[ij]BL[1074]C[not yet big enough I think, but about 6 points] ;W[em]WL[83]C[big, 6 points or so or at least 2 point reverse sente] ;B[nr]BL[1058]C[about 4 points with 5 point follow up] ;W[in]WL[532]C[threatening to take 3 points in sente] ;B[ho]BL[1056] ;W[rr]WL[460]C[bigger, 9 points or so] ;B[ms]BL[1052] ;W[qp]WL[454] ;B[po]BL[1050] ;W[qs]WL[452]C[4 point sente] ;B[pr]BL[1043] ;W[if]WL[323] ;B[ig]BL[999] ;W[gg]WL[314]C[4 points] ;B[hf]BL[984] ;W[ie]WL[310] ;B[pj]BL[934] ;W[qj]WL[307] ;B[ik]BL[830] ;W[il]WL[276] ;B[gi]BL[783] ;W[fi]WL[266] ;B[ec]BL[749] ;W[eb]WL[264] ;B[fd]BL[748] ;W[fc]WL[251] ;B[ed]BL[745] ;W[ca]WL[248] (;B[ba]BL[528] ;W[da]WL[246] ;B[bc]BL[526] ;W[lk]WL[238] ;B[mk]BL[523] ;W[eo]WL[210] ;B[fo]BL[519] ;W[gf]WL[188] ;B[en]BL[501] ;W[do]WL[185] ;B[fm]BL[465]C[from here, he lost 4 points in quick succession] ;W[el]WL[175]C[I think he lost a point here] ;B[fe]BL[457] ;W[ji]WL[93]C[this lost a point] ;B[hj]BL[447] ;W[jk]WL[72]C[he lost another point here] ;B[gk]BL[443] ;W[fj]WL[71] ;B[ff]BL[441] ;W[fg]WL[68] ;B[sd]BL[429] ;W[rg]WL[54] ;B[io]BL[393] ;W[ae]WL[23]C[he lost another point here] ;B[ad]BL[387] ;W[af]WL[595] ;B[lq]BL[385] ;W[lp]WL[591] ;B[jp]BL[381] ;W[kp]WL[590] ;B[pi]BL[373] ;W[je]WL[545] ;B[ke]BL[371] ;W[qi]WL[434] ;B[se]BL[358] ;W[sf]WL[421] ;B[ps]BL[353] ;W[rs]WL[420] ;B[jj]BL[345] ;W[kj]WL[412] ;B[li]BL[344] ;W[ki]WL[399] ;B[ip]BL[318] ;W[gd]WL[369] ;B[ge]BL[314] ;W[gl]WL[348] ;B[hk]BL[311] ;W[eg]WL[314] ;B[cs]BL[299] ;W[bq]WL[311] ;B[]BL[287] ;W[]WL[265] ;B[]BL[287]C[ mathmo 4d+: mathmo dead @ R7 mathmo 4d+: mathmo dead @ Q17 mathmo 4d+: mathmo dead @ O14 Nelis done mathmo 4d+: mathmo dead @ J2 mathmo done ] ;TW[ea][fa][ga][ha][gb][ag][dg][sg][ah][bh][ch][eh][fh][rh][sh][ai][bi][ci][di][ei][ri][si][aj][bj][cj][dj][ej][rj][sj][ak][bk][ck][ek][rk][sk][al][bl][cl][dl][jl][ql][rl][sl][am][bm][cm][dm][im][qm][rm][sm][an][bn][cn][sn][ao][bo][co][so][ap][bp][sp][aq][sq][sr][ss]TB[aa][ma][na][oa][pa][qa][ra][sa][ab][bb][mb][nb][ob][pb][qb][sb][ac][kc][lc][mc][oc][pc][qc][sc][bd][cd][kd][ld][md][nd][qd][me][ne][pe][lf][nf][ml][nl][lm][nm][gn][mn][on][go][oo][fp][gp][op][eq][gq][oq][pq][er][fr][gr][ir][or][ds][es][fs][gs][hs][is][js][ks][ls][ns][os]OS[AnThoNy][Cucurucucu][DJ][Elehat][FrenchDude][Jelle123][Mercian][Mollusque][Seferi][Shuko][SimbaRules][Uberdude][afar][ambition37][fatih][jiroo][mjanjic75][sasamori][wanderlust]) (;B[gd]C[killing fails] ;W[hc] ;B[da] ;W[ea] ;B[ga] ;W[bb] ;B[ba]C[even ignoring ko I am one liberty behind, otherwise it is 2] (;W[bc]) (;W[aa] ;B[bc] ;W[ge] ;B[he] ;W[fe] ;B[ac] ;W[da] ;B[ab] ;W[ba] ;B[je] ;W[ee] ;B[gb] ;W[ae] ;B[ha] ;W[fa] ;B[ga] ;W[bd]))) (;W[lb]C[I didn't think this worked])) (;W[mf] ;B[le] ;W[mh] ;B[me] ;W[lh] ;B[ne]C[W gets sente and B has to fill in an extra point])) (;B[mf]C[this does seem better] ;W[lg] ;B[le] ;W[mh]C[I was annoyed by the aji of the cuts] ;B[] ;W[if] ;B[ig] ;W[ke] ;B[me] ;W[je]) (;B[fe]C[I did spent some time thinking about this] (;W[fd] ;B[ee] ;W[fb]C[but thought this had no trouble living. I'm not so sure now.] ;B[hb] ;W[ge] ;B[ff] ;W[gf] ;B[gg] ;W[if] ;B[hf] ;W[he] ;B[ig] ;W[hc] ;B[ec] ;W[eb] ;B[ed] ;W[fc] ;B[gb]) (;W[gf]))) (;B[lf]C[I did consider this, but the peep aji seemed too awkward, and relevant to the turn at K12])) (;W[kf] (;B[ke]C[I thought I could tiger] ;W[mf] (;B[kh] ;W[lh] ;B[li]C[but I missed] ;W[mh]C[this !]) (;B[mi]C[this would be only move] ;W[kh] ;B[jl]C[I don't know if there is some tesuji round here])) (;B[kh]C[but this does seem to work]))) (;W[hg]) (;W[jr] ;B[mr] ;W[cr]C[This is incredibly urgent double sente for 6 points or so. Unbelieveable to miss this.])) (;W[gl] ;B[em] (;W[fl] ;B[dm] ;W[cm] ;B[en] ;W[do]) (;W[dm] ;B[ek]))) (;W[hm]C[he could have played directly to threaten the N7 aji, but his result in the game is perfectly good enough])) (;B[kl]C[perhaps this is better, but I still wanted to simplify])) (;B[jr]C[ better for bottom points] ;W[lr]C[but W gets this and B has to protect] ;B[ll]C[but W also has to protect] ;W[nr] ;B[or] ;W[ho])) (;W[jr]C[I think W should just connect and aim to get C2 in sente, but this is in hindsight]) (;W[lr]C[but if W wanted that, W could play here] (;B[jr] ;W[kq]) (;B[mr] ;W[nr] ;B[lq] ;W[ms] ;B[lp] ;W[mr] ;B[kq] ;W[jr]))) (;B[nn] (;W[mo]C[W doesn't need to play here anymore if B plays this weird shape. if W here, B doesn't mind too much]) (;W[jr]C[but I think connecting is reasonable]) (;W[qp]C[this shape for B is so silly]))) (;W[on]C[this is fine for W I think] ;B[ro] ;W[po] ;B[qp]C[W isn't unhappy])) (;B[nn]C[my plan had been to play here] ;W[mo] ;B[pn] ;W[pm]C[but after this I thought my shape was awkward. Now I look at it, my shape seems fine] ;B[qo] (;W[rn] ;B[om]) (;W[on] ;B[po] ;W[rn] ;B[om] ;W[ol] ;B[nm] ;W[no] ;B[oo] ;W[pl] ;B[ro] ;W[so] ;B[rr] ;W[pr] ;B[sr]C[this seems a bit tricky]))) (;B[je]C[I could consider this but thought that solid points were more important. ] ;W[jc] ;B[kc] ;W[jb] ;B[ib] ;W[kb] ;B[lb] ;W[lc] ;B[ka] ;W[kd] ;B[ja] ;W[kc] ;B[mb] ;W[ke]C[very awkward for B])) (;W[ie] ;B[hc] ;W[gd]C[this is a dream for B])) (;B[jc]C[I did consider retreating, but am still not sure which is better] ;W[hd]C[my decision was that if W retreats, I still kind of need to respond due to aji of M15 etc for cut and O14] ;B[jd])) (;B[in]C[this is key for attack, and perhaps more appropriate] ;W[km] ;B[il]C[the key idea is to build up strength invade the left, while saying that the O4 is quite healthy due to miai of S3 and O6 or something. But if only I had the Q8, R8 exchange ...] ;W[dk]C[but if W protects what do I do? I get really puzzled in these sorts of positions.]) (;B[lq]C[possible but shape looks bad to me when B group can lean on right side with Q8])) (;B[kp]C[perhaps taking solid points is fine in this case due to the conflict w has between the moyo on the left and on the right. But if B gets separated here, W's shape is good for attacking?] ;W[ko] ;B[lp] ;W[hp] ;B[hq] ;W[fp] ;B[eq] ;W[gp]C[but this W area looks scary] ;B[jk])) (;B[] ;W[mc] ;B[md] ;W[ld]C[this aji is annoying]) (;B[cl]C[it seems to me that concrete points are urgent]) (;B[pl]C[preserve the possibility of the P12 atari/cut I even thought about this move. But forgot when it came to playing a move. This looks like a good exchange compared to game.])) (;W[oh] ;B[qh] (;W[rg] ;B[qi]C[this looked impossible for W to me] (;W[pi] ;B[qj] (;W[pk] ;B[rh] ;W[rj] ;B[sg] ;W[pj] ;B[se]) (;W[pj] ;B[rk] ;W[rl] ;B[rj] ;W[ql] ;B[rh])) (;W[rh] ;B[qj] ;W[rk] ;B[oj] ;W[rj])) (;W[qi] ;B[rg] ;W[rh] ;B[qg]C[so this would be expected. This capture is another 17 points ish + cutting points to use for B])) (;W[rh]C[this is plausible too though the shape looks strange.])) (;W[pc] ;B[od] ;W[rc] ;B[re] ;W[ob] ;B[nb] ;W[qb] ;B[qi]C[I normally consider this good for B, W's corner shape is too submissive])) (;W[rd]C[I always play this one] ;B[qd] ;W[re] ;B[rc])) (;B[fd]C[I considered this for some time before thinking it was too small and too slack on territory, B is already alive. Now I think it is fine as I can't see a good move for B, but just not my style. I don't play these vague moves until they are a serious attack with support.] (;W[gf]C[I was scared of this, but I think this W move doesn't mean much when B invades at C6] ;B[gd]C[this is not great shape for B though as W's two stones are light and ] ;W[hc] ;B[fc] ;W[fb] ;B[hd] ;W[ic] ;B[cn] ;W[cl]C[another game]) (;W[gd] ;B[fe])) (;B[cn]C[I strongly considered this and would even more strongly after the game.] ;W[cl] ;B[cq] ;W[cp] ;B[dq] ;W[ep] ;B[bp] ;W[bo] ;B[bq] ;W[co] ;B[fq]C[This is more of the simple game I am good at])) (;W[ff]C[more standard shape]))