(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[7.50]
PW[Chen Yaoye]PB[Ke Jie]WR[9p]BR[9p]DT[2016-09-22]EV[3rd Bailing Cup, final 2]SO[Go4Go.net]C[CCTV
Liu Jing 8p, Chen Ying 1p. not quite live?

translated by Daniel Hu 4d

Before the game, the players both said they aimed to play well in this beautiful place.

And they did. In our go circles, we agreed it was a high quality game. We hope for today's game to be high quality.

Chen: This is what the the whole country looks forward to.

There was an incident today where Ke Jie was late. As the judge of this match, could you explain what happened?

Liu: Well, the rules say that if a player is an hour late, they forfeit.

They say that today, Ke Jie overslept. His alarm didn't sound. He didn't appear, so someone was sent to fetch him. He arrived at 09:36, and by the rules, his lost time is doubled, so he forfeits 12 minutes of time.

Our match is 2 hours 40 mins with 1 minute preserved overtime.
]RE[W+Resign]
;B[qd]C[These 2 are the top 2 in the Chinese rankings, and similar overall. 

Though Ke has 3 world titles, number 1 in China, and last year's Bailing cup winner, but over history, he doesn't have an advantage in his games with Chen.
]
;W[pp]
;B[dc]C[this game is also alternate 3-4's]
;W[dp]
;B[cf]C[In the quarter final, Chen beat Park Junghwan, and in the semi final beat by 2-0, Korea's current big future hope Shin Jinseo

Chen: Ke Jie beat Won SeongJin, an old player 2-1.

Liu: Comparatively Ke has had an easier time getting to the final

And though his opponent's were stronger, Chen's wins were mostly overwhelming, not giving Park or Shin opportunities.

Chen: So we see his form is very good right now.

Liu: perhaps after he recently got married, with a more stable life, it has affected his game.

Chen: his 8 year hold of the Tianyuan is a superhuman record.

Liu: yes, beating Gu Li's record.

So we all call him Chen Tianyuan.

Chen: so we just give him this title.
 
Ke's health hasn't been great recently. In the last tournaments, we saw him leaning on a walking stick.

Liu: I heard it he hurt his foot moving fruit.

Chen: So he said, in such a beautiful place like Pu Er, he could heal well.

]
;W[nc]
;B[pc]
;W[jd]
(;B[qn]C[this is basically absolute sente.]
;W[nq]
(;B[ld]C[you need to make your stones work well together

Chen: this is the other choice

In the opening you can easily find that with one move different, the whole game changes.

In the other variation, the whole board was broken up.

This way B gets an influence and a moyo.

Chen: these choices you can't say are good or bad, it's just your style. You just need to make sure there are contradictions in your thinking

Liu: yes, you let go of the top.]
;W[lc]
;B[md]
;W[mc]
;B[nd]
(;W[hc]C[white had another choice

Chen likes the territory]
;B[pj]C[B continues with his plan]
(;W[kd]C[this is a very big move. A hou zhong xian (future gain over immediate profit)

if you don't play, ...


Chen: fans may know Chen as a territory lover, but if you are obsessed with territory maybe he would first take a big point for more efficiency. But he plays such a solid move.

Liu: well, all players pretty much like territory. And Chen is such a strong player so, this play has a lot of intentions, with relevant terminologies such as vital point, hou zhong xian. Once you have this move, all B's weakness on the right appear. Though it doesn't make much direct territory.

For a top player like Chen Yaoye, he won't miss such an urgent point, bigger than all big points.
]
(;B[fq]C[though B seems a bit weak on the right there isn't a great move to protect.]
;W[cn]
;B[dr]
;W[cq]
;B[iq]C[just taking a big point, there's no issues.

W has to make a choice now. W can invade.

Chen: there is an invasion on both sides. (on the right)]
(;W[rp]C[he simply doesn't invade and takes the corner

Chen: it's like there are two invasions, and he says you can't protect both. So seeing how B protects.

Liu: what Chen Ying just said is right.]
(;B[mf]C[he tries to protect efficiently]
(;W[ql]C[this is W's plan after the S4 jump

W will always gain some appropriate territory.]
;B[pl]
;W[qk]
(;B[qj]
;W[pk]
;B[ok]
;W[pm]
;B[ol]
;W[qm]C[Chen: this is basically a joseki, you can memorise it]
(;B[oj]
(;W[ch]C[Chen: this seems the last big point left of the game.

Liu: this whole game, all the moves are normal, but from a certain perspective, as this Chen likes this sort of game, I think W has been successful in this opening.]
;B[gc]C[Chen: I think he is trying to protect the corner in sente.

Liu: yes, if doesn't protect, W plays C6. Also, in W's shape this is the only weakness, to make W feel painful.

Chen: W is already quite solid

Liu: so giving W's thickness more thickness (i.e. good for B)]
;W[gb]
;B[fc]C[an strengthening the corner.]
;W[cc]
(;B[dd]C[Chen: but there is still aji

Liu: for sure, but it is not so severe

Chen: at least there is ko? crawl and hane

Liu: yes, there will definitely still be moves to play.]
(;W[dj]
(;B[hb]
;W[ib]
;B[hd]
(;W[ha]
(;B[ic]
;W[hb]C[B gained at least 2 point compared to direct hane]
;B[fo]
(;W[fn]C[this is perhaps the most brilliant move of the game.]
;B[gn]
;W[fm]
;B[gm]
;W[eo]
;B[go]
(;W[fl]
(;B[no]C[a surprising move]
(;W[lq]
(;B[po]C[Ke is strong in all parts of the game, opening, middle and end, but if he has a weakness, as a natural talent, he can play too quickly

He lost a point here

Chen: maybe it's not so bad as B is more solid this way.

Liu: B is already so solid, in this sort of game, 1 point can be so important you should just take the point first.]
(;W[op]C[he must have thought W would dare to play here but


if W just fights for this one point and there is a ko, this is a crazy move.
]
(;B[oo]
;W[qo]
;B[ro]
;W[qp]
;B[pn]
;W[rn]
;B[rm]
;W[so]
;B[om]C[Liu: oh, its similar

Chen: yeah I thought it was similar
]
(;W[rl]C[interested fans should work out why B loses points if B ataris at S9 first.


[this was an interesting challenge that took me a minute\]]
;B[id]
;W[jc]
;B[jg]C[Chen: I really don't like to surround the centre grass belly [this is common phrase, I don't understand\]

it looks big, you surround and surround and it becomes small.

I don't recommend making the centre to fans. It's so hard.

Lets see what Ke Jie can do.]
;W[ih]
;B[ig]
;W[hh]C[B's moves on the bottom right lost territory, so the centre needs to be quite efficient to be sufficient]
(;B[bh]
;W[bi]
;B[dh]
;W[ci]
;B[gi]C[B has played so solidly up to here, he needs to use it now.

Chen: I feel it's hard to attack this. The white positions are all quite solid, and if you can't kill white, it's hard to find where to make territory.

Liu: yeah, well the only group W can connect to is the left side. 

Chen: you don't think you can make two eyes?

Liu: no]
;W[hj]
;B[fh]
(;W[fi]
(;B[hi]
;W[ii]
;B[fj]
;W[ei]C[W plays so tough]
;B[gh]
;W[ik]
;B[gk]
;W[gj]
;B[fk]
;W[hg]C[W wants to live in the points.

Chen: so now B has cut off W, but is not so solid now

Liu: W has some plots now.]
;B[eh]C[Chen: to defend against E13 net.

I feel the game will be decided here. B's moves are all dame

Liu: yes, we have entered the deciding point of the game.]
;W[hf]
;B[ie]
;W[if]
;B[jf]
;W[je]
;B[ge]C[Chen: we still can't see any eyes
what do you think is the probability of living here?

Liu: well W has some sentes such as J10 or J7 or around M13. The chance of living is quite high.

But I just don't know if either side is in time trouble.

Chen: yes, yesterday when Ke was on his last overtime, Chen still had several minutes left. And today, Ke forfeited 12 minutes.

Liu: well I can give you information there - at the lunch break, Chen had much less time left than Ke. He played the opening very fast.

Chen: so today the speeds have reversed, haha.]
;W[lg]
;B[lf]C[we see now that W can anytime use the L14 sente to get L12 and K12 but that loses points.

white still can't just live if W gives up a lot else where. due to F9 his left has been reduced and letting B atari at K18 is a big loss too.]
;W[im]
(;B[jj]C[I don't know if this is a losing move.]
;W[kk]C[he didn't think about this, as L12 is sente, so B can't escape.

Chen: it's suspiciously like giving away eyes.]
;B[dk]
;W[ck]
;B[ek]
;W[di]C[this gains a lot above with D13 as if F14, the wedge kills B

Chen: so B lost more points here?

Liu: well he can't worry about that now that he played K10

Chen: so he's definitely lost now that W is alive?

Liu: I don't want to say that. But just that it's very dangerous.]
;B[hl]
;W[ij]
;B[cl]
;W[dg]
(;B[eg]C[only move]
;W[df]
;B[ef]
;W[ce]
;B[cd]
;W[de]
(;B[be]C[good move]
;W[cg]
(;B[ee]
;W[li]
;B[dm]
;W[dn]
;B[bm]
;W[bn]
;B[cr]
;W[bk]C[the cut at G8 is still dangerous]
;B[il]
;W[jl]
;B[jm]
;W[km]
;B[jn]
;W[kn]
;B[an]
;W[ao]
;B[am]
(;W[br]
(;B[bs]
;W[aq]C[best for points, much better

[maybe by 7 points\]]
(;B[bf]
;W[bg]
;B[mh]
;W[jo]C[too comfortable]
;B[in]
;W[io]
;B[hn]
;W[jq]C[oh this is so big for points

Chen: I feel like B should have played here not N12.

Liu: that's pretty big too, W could N13 threatening the wedge

Chen: I still feel this area is so big.

Liu: oh well, as long as W doesn't make a big mistake this is all irrelevant to who wins.]
;B[jr]
;W[eb]
;B[db]
;W[mi]
;B[nh]
;W[ir]
;B[kh]C[Ke Jie certainly thought he didn't have enough points, so he goes all out here]
;W[lh]
;B[kf]
;W[jh]
;B[kg]
;W[ki]
;B[kq]
;W[jp]
;B[bp]C[this is starting to lose points already, but he knows it's not about points anymore. if he ataried, W can't connect or it is ko, [so B could take 4 points here.\]]
;W[bo]
;B[bq]
;W[ar]C[he just wants the E3 sente]
;B[kr]
;W[hq]
;B[ko]
(;W[kp]
(;B[lo]
;W[ml]
;B[lp]
;W[lr]
;B[mk]
;W[lk]C[Chen: so of the Yunnan Pu Er two games, Chen won both.

Liu: this result is probably surprising to many people. But for the top 2 players, we hope the next 3 games will be brilliant games.

Let's welcome the two player for their comments. Gongratulations to Chen Yaoye

Chen Yaoye:
This time in Pu Er, I performed very well, I hope I perform as well the next 3 games.

Chen Ying: was this game won more easily than yesterday?

Chen Yaoye: No, no, in the middle, it was so complicated, I spent a lot of time.

My retreat in the centre perhaps should have been a jump downwards. If he hanes, I kosumi. That way maybe easier to win.

At the time, I had thought W was easier to play. But after that, he fought back, and I felt it was very messy.

Chen Ying: But after your squeeze move, good move, there didn't seem a good way for B to handle your group

Chen Yao Ye: actually it was still very complicated. He shouldn't have peeped, he should have ataried. Next the only way to try to kill would be empty triangle, but it seemed W could live. But if before that he attaches on the left at D9 and jumps at D7, he can leave a ko on the left, perhaps W would still have to protect the centre, and use that ko to kill the centre. It would be very complicated.

Chen Ying: The first game, I saw some comments online, people thought it was won in a reversal. It was quite tense, at the end. And Ke Jie said he thought he was winning.

Chen Yaoye: Actually, I didn't feel that. I felt after the central black ponnuki, black was clearly leading, but lost it with the central jump, it should be push and kosumi. Then white maybe played inaccurate, I don't know where, and up to B's centre extension, I thought I would win by a little.

Chen Ying: The organisers prepared a tourist trip yesterday on the rest day. You didn't attend. What were you doing?

Chen Yaoye: I felt the surroundings of the hotel were very good. I went on a 8km walk around. My feelings were quite calm. If I went on the trip, perhaps I would feel tired, so I focused on the tournament.

Chen Ying: did you prepare for the opening then, as you knew you would take white

Chen Yaoye: well, actually my preparation was before the match. [not sure if I heard correct\]

These two games haven't had openings either of us normally play.

Chen Ying: It feels like you have a lot of games with Ke Jie now. The Agon final is coming up.

Chen Yaoye: yes, that is on the 29th. In October, the Lanke Cup quarterfinal is also against Ke JIe.

Chen Ying: After these two wins, do you have greater confidence?

Chen Yaoye: not really. The Agon Cup is a fast tournament. My play is perhaps slower than him. So it is all to play for. Actually last year I beat him in the Agon cup in the quarter final.]
;B[mj]
;W[mn])
(;B[ll]C[this doesn't help]
;W[kl]
;B[lo]
;W[mn]
;B[lp]
;W[lr]
;B[mm]
;W[lm]
;B[ml]
;W[mo]
;B[mp]
;W[np]))
(;W[lo]C[W loses like this]
;B[kp]
;W[lp]
;B[ho]
;W[ip]
;B[hp]
;W[iq]
;B[gq]))
(;B[bo]
;W[co]
;B[ap]
;W[bp]
;B[ao]
;W[dq]))
(;B[bo]
;W[bp]))
(;W[bp]C[only 3 points]
;B[br]
;W[co]))
(;B[]
;W[ee]
;B[ff]
;W[ec]C[B in trouble]))
(;B[ee]
;W[be]C[maybe B isn't totally settled]))
(;B[ff]
;W[fg]
;B[eg]
;W[ef]
;B[gg]
;W[gf]
;B[fg]
;W[fe]))
(;B[hk]C[if you want to kill, maybe you need to play here]
;W[ij]
;B[hl]
;W[kn]C[Chen: I seem to think W is almost connected

Liu and he has lots of sente above.

Chen: but you said you can't give up too many points

Liu: if you gain a bit here you can sacrifice those points. When you should wedge, you still should wedge. W can make a few points in the centre. And B H8 is not at G8 filling liberties on left, so you haven't lost more on the left.]))
(;B[gh]
;W[ik]C[now this connects]))
(;W[gk]C[he could connect quite easily, proper move, but he doesn't want to see ...

Chen: so how much does B need in the centre then?

Liu: well if this was enough to win, I trust he wouldn't consider other moves.]
(;B[hi]C[this is not good]
;W[jj]
;B[ii]
;W[kk])
(;B[jj]C[Chen: probably round here then.])
(;B[ij]C[Liu: he can attach here for higher efficiency threatening the weaknesses.]
(;W[hi]
;B[ji]C[the efficiency difference is that between the sky and the sea.])
(;W[ik]
;B[jj]
;W[hi]
;B[jk])))
(;W[ik]C[if directly]
;B[gk]C[this cuts]))
(;B[ki]C[If just here, from the progression of the game, I think B will find it hard to pay komi.]))
(;AE[oo]AW[oq]AB[op]))
(;B[ro]C[this doesn't actually work]
;W[oo]
;B[qp]
;W[rq]C[no ko
])
(;B[qp]
(;W[ro]C[but W can play here]
;B[rn]
;W[oo])
(;W[qq]C[this would be falling for the trap])))
(;W[qo]C[he expected this]))
(;B[op]C[he should have played here]
;W[oq]
;B[po]))
(;W[om]
;B[mq]
;W[mr]
;B[nr]
;W[or]
;B[np]
;W[ns]
;B[oq]
;W[nr]
;B[nm]
;W[lq]))
(;B[lq]C[We thought B got sente and would play here

This will still be a slow game.]
;W[ji]C[From direction, B's two moyos are fighting each other, it's not very comfortable.]))
(;W[gl]C[W can't fight due to B's moyo.

Chen: both sides are so slid, there's nothing to fight over.]
;B[fl]
;W[gk]
;B[el]
;W[dm]
;B[ej]))
(;W[kq]C[B asks if you dare to play here]
;B[dk]C[whatever you do, B can profit.]
;W[ej]))
(;B[lq]C[this is an obvious point but]
;W[hp]
;B[hq]C[Chen: white naturally plays here

if B didn't extend, I really want to preserve play here. due to the power of L3, but here, H4 is so natural.]
;W[fp]))
(;W[ic]C[if here, W can't live in the corner so easily]))
(;B[hd]C[if hane]
;W[hb]))
(;W[hb]C[if W has a stone around here, then corner is totally alive.]
;B[]
;W[cb]C[live without ko])
(;W[hd]C[W really also wants to play here. This is very big.

Chen: but it feels so overconcentrated and B will invade at C10.

Liu: it indirectly reduces the potential of B's area.

and if W lives in the corner, this will threaten B's group more.

Chen: but it feels like the left is so urgent.

Liu: yes, there's still a more urgent point to play.]))
(;B[cd]C[but if B plays another move, W can preserve the two hanes for now to get profit

Chen: it looks like B has no choice]))
(;W[]
;B[oo]))
(;B[om]C[Liu: if B thinks the cut at P10 is not severe, then B can consider pressing.]
(;W[pn]C[W has to protect.

and then tenuki.

this is a called a crude move. as if B plays it, W has only one move.

If you have a situation where you play and your opponent only has one move, you should consider if it is really a good move.

Chen: you should let your opponent have more options.

But here, the cut is still severe, so it's not worth it. B should just directly protect and aim at other aji later like P5])
(;W[]
;B[pn]
;W[rn]
;B[ro]C[problematic])
(;W[on]C[this is helping B]
;B[pn]
;W[rn]
;B[nn]
;W[oo]
;B[rk])))
(;B[pk]C[little friends, B absolutely cannot connect]
;W[qj]
;B[qm]
;W[qh]C[W lives deep in B's area

all B's moves lose their purpose.

you must first protect your main camp.]))
(;W[qh]C[if W still tries to come in, that would be acting as if B has no strength, and you opponent isn't of the same strength as you.]
(;B[qj])
(;B[qi]C[death has a 90% chance])))
(;B[on]C[if B protects the R8 invasion]
;W[qh]C[when W invades here and lives, W's profit from the P6 S4 exchange is not just a little.

though Ke Jie is world number 1, his strength is probably still not at the point where he can severely attack this stone.])
(;B[ph]C[if you just protect here.]
;W[mf]C[this is still painful later]))
(;W[qh]
;B[qi]C[B has to kick]
;W[ph]
;B[ni]
;W[ng]C[w just has to play here and should be fine. W accomplishes the goal of taking out the territory, but B will definitely get sente and take the R3 corner.

Chen: If black wants to attack W, it always feels like it is missing something, like you are a move behind.

Liu: yes, because W already spent a move at L16. The intention behind L16 will have been accomplished.]))
(;B[mf]C[Chen: don't we say this is the vital point of the 3 stones?

Liu: yes, yes, because if W has a stone here, it is very uncomfortable, you can't exert any power

Chen: you can only retreat, but if you don't play and W hanes, your stones pretty much can't escape.]
;AW[mf]
;W[qh]
;AE[mf]C[directly invading is more of a problem for B]))
(;W[]
;B[kd]C[B can play as simple as this]
;W[kc]
;B[je]C[though this is gote, B still has the atari]))
(;W[kd]
;B[hc]C[B will first profit a bit, W can't take B's K18 follow up]
(;W[jb]C[but like this, B gets sente])
(;W[ic]
;B[pj]
;W[hd]C[another game

Chen: like this B feels fast and W is thick

Liu: yes, so W can choose any invasion.])))
(;B[hc]C[if you play here now]
;W[ne]C[R6 looks pointless]))
(;B[hc]C[this is a vital point.
most amateurs probably really want to play here.]
;W[ne]
(;B[pg])
(;B[qg]
(;W[cn])
(;W[jq]C[take another big point

Chen: this looks a little like the Kobayashi opening.]))))