(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]HA[2]KM[0.50]TM[1800]OT[5x30 byo-yomi]
PW[Na]PB[jorden]WR[10k]BR[12k]DT[2016-10-27]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]AB[pd][dp]RE[W+24.50]
;W[pp]WL[1797.4]C[Na [10k\]: hi
]
;B[dd]BL[1796.155]
;W[pj]WL[1795.248]C[jorden [12k\]: hello
]
(;B[jc]BL[1769.863]C[Fine, but you can also play the variations.]
;W[fp]WL[1774.919]
(;B[cn]BL[1760.619]C[This is a normal response for the low approach (F3) but here, white threatens the corner much less, so it's better to play high.]
;W[fr]WL[1762.982]C[Slow]
(;B[eq]BL[1739.463]C[Also slow.  See variations for a few ideas.]
(;W[pm]WL[1737.912]C[Slow.]
;B[fq]BL[1714.791]C[Not the biggest, but following through on threats is good.]
;W[gq]WL[1726.826]
(;B[er]BL[1711.57]C[Small.  Usually it's best to avoid playing on the second line so early.]
;W[gr]WL[1724.913]
;B[gp]BL[1699.915]C[Now white is a bit stronger, so this is a bit easier for white to handle.]
;W[fo]WL[1692.707]
(;B[go]BL[1684.171]
;W[fn]WL[1664.495]
;B[gn]BL[1665.269]
;W[fl]WL[1622.852]
;B[jq]BL[1647.435]C[This is the right idea.  White defended one side, so attack the other.]
;W[iq]WL[1609.912]
;B[ip]BL[1644.706]
;W[ir]WL[1607.737]
;B[jp]BL[1640.08]
;W[jr]WL[1605.588]
;B[kr]BL[1630.754]
;W[hp]WL[1602.932]
;B[ho]BL[1623.24]C[Good.]
;W[hq]WL[1600.955]
(;B[hs]BL[1619.266]C[This looks like a killing move, and is one, assuming everything outside survives.

However, it's not good for the following reasons:

First, black has defects on the outside that would prevent black from actually killing.

Second, for white to have to make  2 point group like this so early in the game, in gote, is a TERRIBLE result for white.]
;W[kq]WL[1597.74]
;B[lr]BL[1605.912]
;W[gm]WL[1593.584]C[This isn't great, but also isn't the problem you make it out to be.]
;B[in]BL[1568.9]
;W[kp]WL[1576.314]
;B[jn]BL[1547.332]C[This looks like good shape, but isn't.  L5 is okay, as you mentioned.]
;W[lo]WL[1543.201]
(;B[ko]BL[1515.253]C[This isn't entirely terrible, but does concede the bottom stones to white, which means white's group will live.]
;W[lp]WL[1536.245]
;B[ln]BL[1497.851]
;W[mn]WL[1520.833]
;B[lm]BL[1492.334]
;W[mm]WL[1518.631]
;B[ll]BL[1423.231]
;W[pr]WL[1497.571]C[Now white's stones are alive.]
;B[nk]BL[1408.627]
;W[ml]WL[1435.522]
;B[mk]BL[1405.716]
;W[lk]WL[1433.537]
(;B[kk]BL[1394.75]
;W[lj]WL[1410.707]
;B[kj]BL[1367.223]
;W[li]WL[1406.3]
;B[ni]BL[1361.316]
;W[pk]WL[1380.297]
;B[mi]BL[1338.259]
;W[ki]WL[1377.192]
;B[ik]BL[1335.652]
;W[oi]WL[1375.045]C[This is bad.  White takes his eye off the ball (the m10 stones)]
;B[ji]BL[1327.022]
;W[jh]WL[1370.794]
;B[ii]BL[1320.809]
;W[kh]WL[1368.45]
;B[oh]BL[1297.717]
;W[ph]WL[1366.148]
;B[ng]BL[1262.392]
;W[ok]WL[1362.286]
(;B[nl]BL[1259.35]C[Too slow.  This is an endgame move.]
;W[nm]WL[1359]
;B[ol]BL[1257.555]
;W[no]WL[1356.498]
;B[pl]BL[1255.162]
;W[ql]WL[1354.878]
;B[om]BL[1248.536]
;W[on]WL[1352.729]
;B[pg]BL[1220.989]
;W[qh]WL[1340.024]
;B[qg]BL[1219.028]
;W[mg]WL[1337.774]
;B[mf]BL[1181.486]
;W[lg]WL[1335.032]
(;B[lf]BL[1171.935]C[This is taking the eye off the ball a bit.  You want to push this group north to strengthen black's center group at the same time.]
;W[kf]WL[1332.946]
;B[ke]BL[1141.527]
;W[jf]WL[1298.498]
;B[nf]BL[1116.993]C[Not really necessary.]
;W[ig]WL[1232.551]
;B[hh]BL[1078.728]
;W[ih]WL[1193.786]
;B[gh]BL[1052.295]
;W[hi]WL[1158.854]
;B[gj]BL[1022.47]
;W[im]WL[1148.888]
(;B[hm]BL[1016.498]
;W[hl]WL[1146.047]
;B[hn]BL[1014.345]
;W[kl]WL[1145.127]
;B[jl]BL[1005.09]
;W[jj]WL[1137.616]
;B[ij]BL[983.729]
;W[jo]WL[1135.765]
;B[io]BL[979.271]
;W[jk]WL[1130.723]
;B[il]BL[969.788]
;W[km]WL[1127.945]
;B[kn]BL[965.304]
;W[kk]WL[1126.237]
;B[jm]BL[957.047]
;W[mq]WL[1123.454]C[Wasted move?]
;B[gk]BL[938.399]
;W[gl]WL[1103.831]
;B[dl]BL[914.843]
;W[mr]WL[1101.713]C[Wasted move.]
;B[ie]BL[906.108]
;W[ek]WL[1098.313]
;B[el]BL[901.521]
;W[fk]WL[1096.551]
;B[ei]BL[887.954]
;W[dk]WL[1094.041]
;B[cl]BL[855.491]
;W[di]WL[1091.798]
(;B[dj]BL[855.07]C[This helps white, and is usually a bad idea.]
;W[ej]WL[1089.804]
;B[eh]BL[844.055]
;W[cj]WL[1087.82]
;B[ck]BL[840.575]
;W[dh]WL[1085.316]
;B[dg]BL[821.376]
;W[cg]WL[1048.439]
(;B[df]BL[811.176]
;W[cf]WL[1044.737]
(;B[bj]BL[803.942]C[The other thing about this move is that when white responds, it's gote.]
;W[bi]WL[1042.588]
;B[bk]BL[798.955]
;W[de]WL[1040.462]
(;B[ee]BL[796.785]
;W[ce]WL[1038.991]
;B[cd]BL[785.795]
;W[bd]WL[1034.309]
;B[bh]BL[774.292]
;W[ch]WL[1031.952]
;B[ai]BL[773.239]
;W[bg]WL[1030.236]
;B[ah]BL[771.075]
;W[ag]WL[1028.406]
;B[ci]BL[759.823]
;W[dj]WL[1025.49]
(;B[bi]BL[753.6]C[Wasted move.  This wouldn't give white an eye, and if white played it, you could just connect.]
;W[ed]WL[1023.296]C[This is very painful.]
;B[fe]BL[730.779]
;W[dc]WL[998.879]
;B[ec]BL[674.187]
;W[cc]WL[992.74]
;B[fd]BL[670.607]
;W[eb]WL[990.507]
;B[fc]BL[668.27]
;W[fb]WL[988.791]
;B[gb]BL[664.211]
;W[dd]WL[985.861]C[So barring disaster, black is still quite ahead here.]
;B[rh]BL[632.647]
;W[ri]WL[959.617]
;B[rg]BL[532.871]
;W[qj]WL[957]
;B[qc]BL[527.975]C[It's pretty advanced, but this is a wasted move, because black can limit a white invasion to one eye in the corner and has the strength outside to kill.

If you don't feel comfortable with this, though, it's ok for now.]
;W[lq]WL[952.078]C[Wasted move.]
;B[hf]BL[483.101]
;W[je]WL[884.572]
;B[jd]BL[454.344]
;W[hg]WL[847.238]
;B[gg]BL[440.063]
;W[gi]WL[839.74]
;B[fi]BL[433.485]
;W[fj]WL[837.402]
;B[hj]BL[429.946]
;W[em]WL[833.592]
;B[dn]BL[426.526]
;W[dm]WL[829.397]
;B[cm]BL[424.803]
;W[fm]WL[827.392]
;B[mh]BL[396.198]C[Just connect... this isn't going to be a point anyways and white is alive inside.]
;W[lh]WL[820.166]
;B[if]BL[390.265]C[Ouch.  This is only one point.  Aside from connecting at O12 (best because it makes later ko threats smaller) it's far from the biggest move on the board.  Consider F19.]
;W[nj]WL[818.094]
;B[nh]BL[378.136]
;W[mj]WL[816.225]
;B[fa]BL[366.835]
;W[db]WL[812.866]
;B[ea]BL[364.843]
;W[da]WL[811.11]
;B[ga]BL[363.935]
;W[es]WL[809.891]
;B[ds]BL[361.752]
;W[fs]WL[809.02]
;B[dr]BL[358.31]
;W[ks]WL[807.033]C[That said, black is still ahead here.]
;B[si]BL[354.151]
;W[sj]WL[804.274]
;B[sh]BL[353.213]
;W[do]WL[795.576]
;B[co]BL[351.003]
;W[eo]WL[794.046]
;B[ep]BL[343.526]
;W[mc]WL[775.229]
;B[ld]BL[327.955]C[This isn't a terrible idea.  It removes aji white has to work with.]
;W[od]WL[761.909]
(;B[oc]BL[321.872]
;W[nc]WL[759.046]
(;B[oe]BL[318.089]C[Terrible, as you saw.]
;W[ob]WL[757.088]
(;B[pc]BL[316.365]
;W[pb]WL[755.119]
;B[qb]BL[314.582]
;W[kb]WL[754.155]
;B[lc]BL[299.643]
;W[lb]WL[752.411]
;B[jb]BL[292.113]
;W[ma]WL[749.44]
;B[ka]BL[276.744]
;W[pa]WL[742.116]
;B[na]BL[255.144]
;W[nb]WL[739.148]
;B[ja]BL[201.82]
;W[la]WL[727.265]
(;B[kc]BL[173.689]
;W[oa]WL[723.389]
;B[nd]BL[168.004]
;W[qa]WL[720.004]
;B[rb]BL[165.708]
;W[ra]WL[718.301]C[jorden [12k\]: :)
]
;B[md]BL[159.875]
;W[sb]WL[716.005]
;B[sc]BL[158.83]
;W[sa]WL[714.419]
;B[]BL[126.759]
;W[]WL[714.419]TW[aa][ba][ca][na][ab][bb][cb][mb][ac][bc][ad][cd][ae][be][af][bf][jg][kg][pi][qi][kj][oj][rj][mk][nk][qk][rk][sk][nl][ol][pl][rl][sl][om][qm][rm][sm][nn][pn][qn][rn][sn][mo][oo][po][qo][ro][so][mp][np][op][qp][rp][sp][nq][oq][pq][qq][rq][sq][hr][kr][lr][nr][or][qr][rr][sr][gs][hs][is][js][ls][ms][ns][os][ps][qs][rs][ss]TB[ha][ia][hb][ib][gc][hc][ic][rc][gd][hd][id][kd][od][qd][rd][sd][ge][he][le][me][ne][pe][qe][re][se][ef][ff][gf][of][pf][qf][rf][sf][eg][fg][og][sg][fh][gi][hi][aj][ak][al][bl][am][bm][im][an][bn][ao][bo][jo][ap][bp][cp][aq][bq][cq][dq][ar][br][cr][as][bs][cs]C[Na [10k\]: ty
jorden [12k\]: ty
])
(;B[qa]C[Bigger.]))
(;B[pb]C[It's dangerous but in other circumstances this heavy ko might work.  Unfortunately, I don't see any threats big enough right now.]
;W[pc]))
(;B[ob]C[Where is white going to make eyes?

You don't need to worry about individual stones, just make sure the group doesn't have eyespace and you're fine.]))
(;B[ob]C[Another option.  The key is to remove white's base and eyeshape potential.]
;W[oc]
;B[pb]
;W[pc]
;B[qd]
;W[nb]
;B[lb]
;W[md]
;B[oe]
;W[lc]
;B[kb]
;W[kc]
;B[kd]
;W[me]
;B[le]C[Where does white go?]))
(;B[ed]C[I think just fixing directly may be best.])
(;B[dc]
;W[ed]
(;B[ef]
;W[ec]
;B[db]
;W[eb]
;B[bc]
;W[cb]
;B[ca]
;W[bb]
;B[ab]
;W[ba]
;B[da]
;W[ea]
;B[cc]
;W[be]
;B[aa]
;W[bb]
;B[fd]
;W[ad]
;B[fc]
;W[ac]
;B[fb])
(;B[ec]
;W[ef]
;B[eg]
;W[fe]
;B[fc]C[Maybe something like this is playable, but it looks crazy risky.])))
(;B[ce]
;W[ee]
;B[eg]
;W[cd]
;B[be]C[Problematic for black, unfortunately.]))
(;B[ce]C[Must.  Makes a huge top and may kill white.]))
(;B[cf]C[Black should be strong enough to double-hane here.]))
(;B[dh]C[Feels like basic instinct to me.]))
(;B[jm]C[Seems normal?  You don't need to worry about killing the white stone if the whole group dies.]))
(;B[hg]))
(;B[hg]C[Will white's stones live?

If you think they might, what about the F6 stones?]))
(;B[mo]C[This is a good find.]))
(;B[nq]
;W[pq]
;B[no]C[Something like this might be playable.  if black can get enough liberties for his groups, he can kill white's stones and connect everything.]))
(;B[ko]
;W[hs]C[White's group here means that white spent 9 stones to make 2 points.  Hardly efficient so early on.  Black, on the other hand, has broken up the white position with a strong group and has made say 15 points in the corner.

White is probably farther behind than he started out here, being sealed in for so little profit is that bad.  Black can also look to attack teh stones at F6/8])
(;B[gm]C[You mentioned this move, but it is bad.  Black doesn't help his own group that much, and encourages white to fix his own weakness, making his stones that much stronger for any subsequent fighting.]))
(;B[hp]C[This threatens the bottom stones more directly, which have less room to manouver.]))
(;B[gp]C[Consider that black can cut right away, if you are so inclined.]))
(;W[kp]C[Faster.])
(;W[cf]C[Preempts black's good move on the left.]))
(;B[kq]LB[hq:A][nq:B]C[Black can make a base with either A or B, and ruins white's potential])
(;B[dj]C[Black makes a nice double-wing formation.]))
(;B[dn]C[Playing this is normal here.]))
(;B[jd]C[I tend to prefer this with two star points, as it's more thematic])
(;B[dj]C[Playing on this side, away from white's stones, may be better.]))