Now the situation is such that black has one shimari and potential for one. White has potential for one, and then some influence on the lower right. If I proceed calmly as follows:



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Then the situation looks about OK, I think, but I don't like it. I feel that black would quickly get box-like moyos and would have a good position. Incidentally, I thought also about this option:



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But I feel this is bad for white. I see no good way to reduce the black double wing without destroying my own potential for moyos.

In stead of the first diagram, I prefer trying to go to a middle game-like situation, where something interesting would happen on the board - like pincering . Time (and hopefully stronger observers ) will tell if this goes totally wrong, but I'll try it anyway.

I think I would like to try to use the upper left corner stone to back up something on the upper side:



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Now, if black approaches the top white stone, I can split the left side, and simultaneously make a pincer against the approaching stone, then make base with a or b, depending on the approach black chooses:



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If black chooses to start something against the approach stone, I would prefer leaving the corner with sente. First, let's check this:



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If black uses the "slow" move of 1, I can see "a" making a base, but being hopelessly passive. "b" and "c" would try to be more active and make a start of a moyo on the top side. "d" seems too thin, I'm afraid black can freely mess there between. b and c don't feel good for me, anyway. I can't think of real reasons, though. Oh, boy do I suck in opening...

If I try the high approach, some of the problem vanishes. The reasonable moves I can find are either a or b in the next figure, taking the corner, or pincering. if black takes a or b, I can return to make a shimari, so black probably will not do that.



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So what will happen, if black pincers?, a, b, c, or some other? Since the approach stone is high, I can probably tenuki to make the shimari:



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But if the approach is low, tenukiing would probably cause more harm...

tenukiing twice would give a huge corner and a bit of a wall...


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Or then just a wall with an extension



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So I'll make the high approach.

I expect the joseki that I mentioned as I discussed Move 3. I can then
approach the upper left. If white has other plans, black still has
two decent directions to approach the 4-4 stone. Lets see how this plays
out.

I chose this move because it can generate a nice formation to look
at the 4-4 stone. I also feel the need some stones up high.

My inclination would be to approach the top left corner instead. This way Black allows White to enclose that corner. (That is not to say that B7 is wrong. )

I think I can tenuki here. The low play for the corner enclosure is better, due to the black enclosure facing the white one. If black pincers, one possible continuation...



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I think 5 or a is necessary, as it prevents an eye in the corner. Now, with a high and tight pincer, there is not much space to escape between. I think pushing with 6 is the right side for two reasons: black is much stronger on the right, and the white stone on the bottom left corner is limiting future potential in that direction a bit anyway. 8 allows the tower peep, but if black starts that immediately, I must get something as a compensation, such as a wall towards my corner enclosure. I would consider some other moves there, too, if we go that far in that direction.

The lower pincer seems easier to escape from, and so are the more relaxed pincers.

If black tries to cross-cut, the situation seems a bit easier for white:



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4 sets up a ladder towards the side, so black probably ataris 2 or extends from 3:



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There is a beginning of a wall towards the white corner, or



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This does not look as beautiful, but there is perhaps something white coming up against the lower corner.

But this is all hallucination, let's see how it turns out...

Edit: another possibility is of course also still counter-pincering the pincer stone to make a start of a framework towards left...

White's move reminds me of things my mind gently considers and dismisses. But, I should think about them harder. My quick fleeting thought while contemplating my previous move :
I can approach now and then get pressed down on the right. I didn't like that. I also didn't examine it beyond that. I didn't expect white to actuallytake the enclosure, so I never considered the consequences. Not really happy with them though.



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I expect white will get a good move like this... followed by a, b, or
something to protect '1' like the c's listed below. I can't say I'm happy
about that cause the marked stone is still capable of causing lots of trouble.

I wonder when that shoe will drop? If I were playing white I'd leave it hanging a while, or be content with sente if black uses time patching it up.

If, instead, I extend down the right, or approach the hoshi stone on the
bottom, or do anything but pincer now, I feel that is too easy on white.
White could get most of the top mapped out, and my own sketched out areas
would be more 'holey'. I'd use the word thin, but I'm not strong enough!

Even so, I hate simply handing white such a good move. Lesson learned.

If you believe that your move leaves a good move for white, why play it? Something like the pattern below seems ok for black



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Errmm, you are a move ahead. I think. I am considering that B2 as well as the B2 in my diagram... I was also considering a shoulder-hit... (scratch my worry see below)

oh dear, I think we need a referee... (scratch this, see below)

EDIT: And I hate this server for not wanting to submit this reply...

EDIT2: Ah, n'er mind. I see the difference in our diagrams now... very subtle. Yes, you are correct, that does seem a bit better doesn't it?

The reason I didn't see the difference is before actually having the stones "placed" on the board I didn't notice one. I felt any extension white gets would be "too good". I felt the real mistake was earlier and I was paying for it now. Now, seeing how needless heavy my guy is... nice thing to learn.

If B S17, then W Q17

First, black has spent three moves agains one in the corner. So I can't expect much.

Scenario 1:



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As the result, white gets some moyo, and there is probably some aji in the corner. But it is easy to reduce that moyo to something very little, as there is even the peep at b (at least later, when the black corner has solidified a bit. It could be possible still to run away with the stone, perhaps, but I wonder what damage that would cause. So - I decided not to try to make a moyo so bluntly.

Returning to the sequence envisioned before, then:



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and some kind of a running battle could start. Or I don't know...

Let's see another scenario, still:



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I do get gote, if I play so passively, and black has some influence. But I consider the extensions from the corner a bit miai-ish, so hopefully it is not totally bad. (I am not so sure if it is possible to extend so far as to the middle, though. Should think it more carefully, if we get so far.

White's latest seems to be aji-keshi.

As Kex himself notes, being outnumbered 3 to 1, white cannot expect much in the corner. The best he can hope for is that the stone might assist in a long extension across the upper side.

Lines like this, which would be reckless without the marked stone, are now with in the realm of possibilities:



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... so a leaning move like black 2 may be unreasonable. Black may have to restrain himself to the more staid tobi like this:



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... which allows white to profit handsomely from move #1.

But white's latest changes this. White is starting to get a group that is too big to lose. White will probably live, but in the process he will force black to strengthen most of black's corner stones. It might go something like this:



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...or like this:



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But however it happens, that lone stone at N17 is not going to stay alone. Now, instead of an easy extension to L17, white may find that even extending to K17 is risky.

In the net, white will probably lose more on the upper side than he gains in the corner.

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I have to play here. Even though I am not committed to protecting this stone. In fact, I will probably abandon it depending how white plays. I expect something I placed in the above diagram. Or similar. I haven't seen white's trigger yet, and will update the analysis if need be. Actually, even if it goes as I expect, and I play 2 I will take the time to put in the diagram of what could happen if I finish the "joseki" in the corner.

I think white should have taken advantage of my pincer stone's issues before this attachment. It may simply be a different approach to the game between us. If white is planning on abandoning the attached stone and approaching my pincer stone, I still think I am in a better spot than otherwise. But as always, I could be wrong.

POST TRIGGER

What happens if I play out the "joseki"? I get whacked thats what.



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Sure white is running, but my guy's are running too. White is also really isn't running too hard and can get one eye easily. Black has the most issues in this scenario. I think because white can grow a big evil looking moyo over on the left chasing black.