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Post #1 Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2010 8:25 am 
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...but I only played one game

went to club last night -- first time in I don't know how long -- played a game with a kid who said he was 15kyu from not playing in a long while. When I asked him what his level was before he quit playing -- 8kyu :o

with almost every move, I think he played out the whole game in his head.

then we'd get to a move that he realized was not so good, either as soon as he played it, or a few moves later. He wanted to go back an examine it just to see "what if". I said sure -- my first mistake!!

now, I normally don't care if he wants to take back a move and replay from there. I don't mind losing. Its just a social club game. But after we mostly filled the board he wanted to go back to his original move.

We did that a couple of times, and almost every time there seems to be an extra black stone on the board after the restoration (I was white).

after almost 3 hours, it felt like I played 3 or 4 games in one, and lost most of them.

next time -- game clock, 20min per. no undo. and definitely no variations during the game -- you don't get to see what my plans are until I'm ready to play them. During one of the variations, I sprung a trap I was holding onto -- the variation had gone so far, I didn't think he'd be able to restore the original board position -- later, during the "real" game, he was now prepared for the trap.

he may have been off his 8kyu just a bit, but certainly not 15kyu worth. And I think he gained 3 stones in strength during our one(five) game(s).


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Post #2 Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2010 8:30 am 
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You can always say "let's come back and look at it after the game is finished", assuming you can remember well enough to get there :)

As a side note, if the trap that you planned on springing didn't work after he saw it coming, maybe it wasn't a very good play?

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Post #3 Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2010 8:47 am 
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I can understand the feeling. A guy asked me to redo the corner position after I stabbed him with a feidao.

But after I let him take it all back, he got stabbed by another var.

Just learn more tricks!

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Post #4 Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2010 9:34 am 
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I am quite strict in this respect, but I have also never encountered such wishes. The game is the game, a single sequence; any analysis is for the postmortem.

Besides, not playing does not lower anyone's strength significantly. I would not accept a demotion of more than one stone without having seen him play.

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Post #5 Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2010 10:53 am 
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I'm a kyu player and I feel like every time I take at least six months off, I improve by half a stone. I think it has to do with forgetting bad habits (or maybe it just has to do with server rank drift :)).

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Post #6 Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2010 10:56 am 
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actually, it wasn't so much of a trick, as it was just a big weakness to exploit. and come to think of it, I think I manged to exploit it twice (in two different variations), before he learned how to protect himself better against it.

I was up by 20-30 points, even after being sloppy and losing a whole corner... by that point I was getting tired and grumpy at having played 3 games in one and didn't care anymore. By the end of the game, I started playing blitz, and played while standing, and talking on the phone. :)






edit: was != wasn't -- changes meaning :(


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Post #7 Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2010 10:57 am 
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Not quite the same thing, but when I go to replay my games, the moves I have trouble remembering are usually the bad ones...

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Post #8 Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2010 10:58 am 
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Harleqin wrote:
Besides, not playing does not lower anyone's strength significantly. I would not accept a demotion of more than one stone without having seen him play.

yeah... that's why I wasn't about to give him any handicap stones :)

he was a little taken aback when I suggested we play even :)

and I could tell, he hadn't lost much, if any, off his original 8kyu

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Post #9 Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2010 2:22 am 
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Just say: "lets review that variation afterwards" and be done. Avoiding "dumb mistakes" is a part of Go strength.

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Post #10 Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2010 1:46 pm 
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dfan wrote:
I'm a kyu player and I feel like every time I take at least six months off, I improve by half a stone. I think it has to do with forgetting bad habits (or maybe it just has to do with server rank drift :)).


Indeed. I started playing on kGS again after a one year hiatus. I was 9k when I stopped playing and now I have won 11 in a row and I'm 7k? :P.

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Post #11 Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2010 4:29 pm 
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Next time you play him set up a clock, 20 min SD and wipe the floor with his dead body oh and dont forget to twist the knife ;)

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