free game records?

Toge · **#41**

daal wrote:

First of all, this could include Asian professionals and organizations who have "tolerated" GoGoD and might be displeased to find that their generous offerings to the West have made it back to Asia via the internet. Then there are John and Tmark themselves, who have obvious reason to be displeased if their product which they have been working on for 17 years is being given away free. All copyright theory aside - do we want to give these people cause to be disgruntled?

- I don't want to be such griefgiver, but I realize this is just my own vanity speaking. It's worth more to state the facts than mind if someone is going to be upset if they hear about them. I totally sympathize with all the people who put effort to create value. It costs workhours and those workhours deserve payment.

World isn't fair. What can be ripped and copied will be ripped and copied. In pragmatic terms, it's a "soft fact" that must be noted. Fighting against it has been proven to be futile. Not only can every copy protection be broken, fortunately there's no negative correlation between sales and amount of piracy. (Google "piracy and sales" and almost every headline says that piracy has no effect or even boosts sales)

hyperpape · **#42**

@toge The world isn't fair, and someone will burglarize your home or break into your car.

We're not discussing how John and TMark should come to accept the vagaries of the world. We're discussing whether someone ripped them off.

Jordus · **#43**

We have a database right here at the http://www.lifein19x19.com homepage....

willemien · **#44**

i just send a pm to Breakfast

memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=268

hope he will explain his relation with sgfdatabase.com

Also i added a note about this tread to the GoDatabasespage on SL

hope this is enough for the moment

hyperpape · **#45**

@jordus how are those games compiled?

breakfast · **#46**

Of course, this website is not my own website. I know GoGoD owners well and I respect their work.

Reason why it's possible to see some of my links in the footer of some Go sites: I contact site owners often and we discuss their benefit from putting my links. As a result my personal website, for example, is on the first page in Google under "go lessons", "go teacher", "go lectures", etc
It helps me to attract new Go students

Bantari · **#47**

daal wrote:

Bantari wrote:

Over the years, I have purchased many pieces of Asian Go literature, Kido yearbooks, game collections, fuseki dictionaries, and whatnot - have a full shelf of that stuff at home, was a small fortune. If I had purchased GoGod, I would not buy all this other stuff, would I? And thus all the other publishers would lose my business. Multiply that by the number of all people who already bought GoGoD and I am sure that the cumulative impact is not trivial, even though to the Asian publishers might be negligible... for now. I guess this is why they insist you do not distribute in Asia. But what about any potential western publishers who could do something but instead thing 'eh, why bother, people will just buy GoGoD and I will lose money'.

Bantari - you're comparing apples and potatoes. If the included games is only reason that you or anyone else has to buy all those Asian go books and magazines, then indeed, GoGoD would have been a better deal. This of course is hardly the case. But while we're at it, GoGoD also offers significantly more than just the games, so for those who've been relying on "free" game records and those who have other sources of games as well, it's still worth making the relatively small investment.

I am not sure I understand you.
These game records ARE the only reasons I have invested in these Asian books. They are useless to me otherwise since I don't read (nor speak, nor understand) these languages. Once I invest in GoGoD I will probably not purchase any of these books anymore. I can hardly believe I am the only one who views it like that. To me, it is certainly not 'apples and potatoes'. In this case, game records are the only reasons I paid (or would pay.)

If your other argument is that GoGoD offers much more than just game records, and it is worth buying it regardless of the game records (which I possibly agree with), then I really do not understand the claim that offering the game records for free will 'destroy' GoGoD.

You confuse me.
What is it that you trying to say?

daal · **#48**

Bantari wrote:

I am not sure I understand you.
These game records ARE the only reasons I have invested in these Asian books. They are useless to me otherwise since I don't read (nor speak, nor understand) these languages. Once I invest in GoGoD I will probably not purchase any of these books anymore. I can hardly believe I am the only one who views it like that. To me, it is certainly not 'apples and potatoes'. In this case, game records are the only reasons I paid (or would pay.)

My misassumption! Since the material you describe contains much more than the game records - articles, problems, pictures etc., I assumed you wanted those things as well; and also that you preferred your material in book form - otherwise, why wouldn't you just have bought GoGoD? :scratch:

Quote:

If your other argument is that GoGoD offers much more than just game records, and it is worth buying it regardless of the game records (which I possibly agree with), then I really do not understand the claim that offering the game records for free will 'destroy' GoGoD.

You confuse me.
What is it that you trying to say?

My comment about the additional material was meant to encourage folks to buy GoGoD despite some of the games being available for free. Nonetheless, while added material might undermine the argument that piracy endangers GoGoD it does not negate it. GoGoD is a work in progress, and as I said in a previous post, the so-called "soft fact" of piracy could cause those responsible for making the transcripts available to rethink their policies.

Bantari · **#49**

daal wrote:

Bantari wrote:

I am not sure I understand you.
These game records ARE the only reasons I have invested in these Asian books. They are useless to me otherwise since I don't read (nor speak, nor understand) these languages. Once I invest in GoGoD I will probably not purchase any of these books anymore. I can hardly believe I am the only one who views it like that. To me, it is certainly not 'apples and potatoes'. In this case, game records are the only reasons I paid (or would pay.)

My misassumption! Since the material you describe contains much more than the game records - articles, problems, pictures etc., I assumed you wanted those things as well; and also that you preferred your material in book form - otherwise, why wouldn't you just have bought GoGoD? :scratch:

Well, my point exactly.

daal wrote:

Quote:

If your other argument is that GoGoD offers much more than just game records, and it is worth buying it regardless of the game records (which I possibly agree with), then I really do not understand the claim that offering the game records for free will 'destroy' GoGoD.

You confuse me.
What is it that you trying to say?

My comment about the additional material was meant to encourage folks to buy GoGoD despite some of the games being available for free. Nonetheless, while added material might undermine the argument that piracy endangers GoGoD it does not negate it. GoGoD is a work in progress, and as I said in a previous post, the so-called "soft fact" of piracy could cause those responsible for making the transcripts available to rethink their policies.

I agree.
Was just tossing thoughts around, that's all.
And wondering about the word that was used... 'destroy'.

nagano · **#50**

Just out of curiosity, what are the current copyright laws for game records in China, Japan, Korea, and Taiwan?

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