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Post #21 Posted: Fri May 16, 2014 2:53 am 
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Yeah, I don't bring up my rating in the EGF for just this reason, I played 2 games against EGF 4d's and one against an EGF 3d and didn't lose (I lost to a Canadian player who also didn't have a fixed EGF rank, hence the tiny movement). The last game was against an EGF 1d I think?


On your player page http://europeangodatabase.eu/EGD/Player ... y=15037968 you can click the "games" button to get a list of games, "GoR evolution" button to get details on the opponent's ratings and how they affected your rating. Last game was a Bosnian 2d player with an EGF 2k (ca. 1900) rating.

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Post #22 Posted: Fri May 16, 2014 3:05 am 
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shapenaji wrote:
Yeah, I don't bring up my rating in the EGF for just this reason, I played 2 games against EGF 4d's and one against an EGF 3d and didn't lose (I lost to a Canadian player who also didn't have a fixed EGF rank, hence the tiny movement). The last game was against an EGF 1d I think?


On your player page http://europeangodatabase.eu/EGD/Player ... y=15037968 you can click the "games" button to get a list of games, "GoR evolution" button to get details on the opponent's ratings and how they affected your rating. Last game was a Bosnian 2d player with an EGF 2k (ca. 1900) rating.


Ah, yes that's considerably easier than going through the wall pairings.

Another piece of anecdotal evidence here:

I have a friend locally who's Chinese 5d (young guy, not an old rating), and he and I are close rivals (essentially, black wins).

Now the popular wisdom, not too long ago, was that EGF = Chinese + 1, Either that is no longer the case, or according to the previous entries in this thread, I should be KGS 6-9d... something which seems a bit farfetched.

Obviously there's a significant degree of regional variation, as well as national pride locked up in the ranks, which makes the whole EGF-KGS relationship very cloudy.

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Post #23 Posted: Fri May 16, 2014 3:30 am 
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Yes, the fact that ratings mostly reflect declared rank/professional ranks is the killer. The only thing you could look at is a player's change in rating, but even that is usually a mess because their opponents' ratings may just be based on declared rank. There's no way to make real use of those numbers.

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Post #24 Posted: Fri May 16, 2014 3:41 am 
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shapenaji wrote:
HermanHiddema wrote:
shapenaji wrote:
Yeah, I don't bring up my rating in the EGF for just this reason, I played 2 games against EGF 4d's and one against an EGF 3d and didn't lose (I lost to a Canadian player who also didn't have a fixed EGF rank, hence the tiny movement). The last game was against an EGF 1d I think?


On your player page http://europeangodatabase.eu/EGD/Player ... y=15037968 you can click the "games" button to get a list of games, "GoR evolution" button to get details on the opponent's ratings and how they affected your rating. Last game was a Bosnian 2d player with an EGF 2k (ca. 1900) rating.


Ah, yes that's considerably easier than going through the wall pairings.

Another piece of anecdotal evidence here:

I have a friend locally who's Chinese 5d (young guy, not an old rating), and he and I are close rivals (essentially, black wins).

Now the popular wisdom, not too long ago, was that EGF = Chinese + 1, Either that is no longer the case, or according to the previous entries in this thread, I should be KGS 6-9d... something which seems a bit farfetched.

Obviously there's a significant degree of regional variation, as well as national pride locked up in the ranks, which makes the whole EGF-KGS relationship very cloudy.



I think the Chinese rating system is even worse to compare to, especially Chinese 5d.. The definition of Chinese 5d is very vague, as some Chinese 5d can give another Chinese 5d up to 7-9 handicap.. From what I've heard the reason for this was that Chinese pros were allowed to sell dan-ranks a few years back which created a huge inflation in the system..

However, I have yet to see a Chinese 6d that was not overwhelmingly strong, and I think that the only way to become Chinese 6d is to win a big district tournament, so perhaps in that case the EGF = Chinese + 1 (or more) would hold true. When I used to be EGF 5d 2009 I entered a ranking tournament for Chinese 5ds in Shanghai and ended up going 7-2 or 8-1, can't remember exactly =P. I was awarded with a diploma and the rank of Chinese 5d with 3 stars (which is max, though I'm not sure what these stars actually mean).. But since that timed I promoted to EGF 6d so perhaps the EGF = Chinese +1 hold true after all :-).


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Post #25 Posted: Tue May 20, 2014 1:56 pm 
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