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Where do you find the tsumego you solve? (Sorry)
Poll ended at Fri Dec 03, 2010 7:10 am
Book 34%  34%  [ 33 ]
Flash card 2%  2%  [ 2 ]
GoChild 18%  18%  [ 17 ]
GoProblems.com 18%  18%  [ 17 ]
Lifein19x19 3%  3%  [ 3 ]
Newspaper 1%  1%  [ 1 ]
Sensei's Library 5%  5%  [ 5 ]
Special problem series (e.g. Hitachi, Fan Hui) 3%  3%  [ 3 ]
Teacher 6%  6%  [ 6 ]
WBaduk 3%  3%  [ 3 ]
weiqiok.com (added later) 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Other 7%  7%  [ 7 ]
Tsumego what? 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
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Post #21 Posted: Sun Nov 07, 2010 2:10 am 
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There are several pages presenting a weekly or daily tsumego afaik. One of the best is http://www.hitachi.co.jp/Sp/tsumego/index-e.html this one which is presented by one of Japans leading amateur players Harada Minoru. And it runs now for 14 years.

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Post #22 Posted: Sun Nov 07, 2010 5:42 am 
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Good question!

I greatly prefer printed media to online tsumego. I spend enough time hunched over my laptop frying my eyes already.

The problem is, I'm not sure what to do next. I worked through Graded Go Problems for Beginners v3 three times already (though maybe it's time for a fourth revisit?). I have Life and Death, but find it frustrating. I printed out Cho Chikun's Encyclopedia of L&D v1 and got better than halfway through it (counting a problem as read when I could either solve it for sure or read out that I could not solve it), but after a while it got frustrating too-- by the end I was barely solving a third of them. Plus, it's a bit weird going through only a diagram set from a book series that originally was a text-heavy treatise.

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Post #23 Posted: Sun Nov 07, 2010 6:16 am 
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Mark356 wrote:
Good question!

I greatly prefer printed media to online tsumego. I spend enough time hunched over my laptop frying my eyes already.

The problem is, I'm not sure what to do next. I worked through Graded Go Problems for Beginners v3 three times already (though maybe it's time for a fourth revisit?). I have Life and Death, but find it frustrating. I printed out Cho Chikun's Encyclopedia of L&D v1 and got better than halfway through it (counting a problem as read when I could either solve it for sure or read out that I could not solve it), but after a while it got frustrating too-- by the end I was barely solving a third of them. Plus, it's a bit weird going through only a diagram set from a book series that originally was a text-heavy treatise.

Cho Chikun's Encyclopedia of L&D was originally software and not available in book form.

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Post #24 Posted: Sun Nov 07, 2010 12:04 pm 
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Mark356 wrote:
I worked through Graded Go Problems for Beginners v3 three times already (though maybe it's time for a fourth revisit?).


I really ought to finish that one, someday...

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Post #25 Posted: Sun Nov 07, 2010 1:50 pm 
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One of my favorite parts of my iphone are the problems in the Smart Go Pro app. Check it out.

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Post #26 Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2010 2:02 pm 
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Surprising for me was, that goproblems.com got less votes than gochild,

gochild has a better selection of problems, and better organized in a more progressive learning style.

goproblems changed their interface some time back, and I now find it more difficult to use than before.

I had trouble figuring out how to use gochild initially, but once you get it, I find it quite easy to use.

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Post #27 Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2010 10:15 pm 
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Stable wrote:
what are the special problem sets?

I would like this clarified as well. Do you mean the classical collections, and those newer ones known to be especially difficult, like the Kwon Kap-Young series?

Mark356 wrote:
The problem is, I'm not sure what to do next. I worked through Graded Go Problems for Beginners v3 three times already (though maybe it's time for a fourth revisit?). I have Life and Death, but find it frustrating. I printed out Cho Chikun's Encyclopedia of L&D v1 and got better than halfway through it (counting a problem as read when I could either solve it for sure or read out that I could not solve it), but after a while it got frustrating too-- by the end I was barely solving a third of them. Plus, it's a bit weird going through only a diagram set from a book series that originally was a text-heavy treatise.

If it helps, this is my current study plan:

1. 1001 Life and Death Problems
2. Making Good Shape
3. Speed Baduk volumes 10-12
4. Lee Changho’s Life and Death
5. Lee Changho’s Tesuji
6. 501 Tesuji Problems
7. Weiqi Life and Death 1000 Problems
8. Cho Chikun’s Encyclopedia of Life and Death
9. Xuanxuan Qijing
10. Gokyo Shumyo
11. Train Like a Pro
12. Guanzi Pu
13. Wu Qingyuan Weiqi Duiju Quanji
14. Igo Hatsuyo-ron

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Post #28 Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 3:15 pm 
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tapir wrote:
Surprising for me was, that goproblems.com got less votes than gochild,

gochild has a better selection of problems, and better organized in a more progressive learning style.

goproblems changed their interface some time back, and I now find it more difficult to use than before.

I had trouble figuring out how to use gochild initially, but once you get it, I find it quite easy to use.


I found many problems on goproblems.com are difficult than they are ranked. At least in the time trial. Also it gives a lot pressure (under time trial) when people gives lines of descriptions of what you are supposed to do with the question. I often feel frustrated on solving only 2 problems when the 5 smily faces disappear.

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Post #29 Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 9:07 pm 
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The best part about goproblems are those ones where you have to play out a long ladder across the board. Under time pressure. Ugh.

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Post #30 Posted: Fri Nov 12, 2010 2:22 am 
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Also it gives a lot pressure (under time trial) when people gives lines of descriptions of what you are supposed to do with the question. I often feel frustrated on solving only 2 problems when the 5 smily faces disappear.


Just don't use time trial then. ;) By using the problem search you can find a set of problems matching your rank without having any time trouble solving them. I think time trial should be seen more as an additional function and not as the main aspect of goproblems.com.

I prefer books too, but I hardly am able to find a calm minute to open one. So basically when I'm reading tsumego books I'm likely to be on the bus or lying in bed. When I just feel like squeezing in some tsumego I use goproblems.com.

So far I've read Graded Go Problems for Beginners Vol. 3, James Davies' Tesuji, Get Strong at Tesuji and I'm currently reading GGPfB Vol. 4. Although the order has been more or less a coincidence, I can recommend it. Maybe on should switch the order of the two tesuji books though.

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Post #31 Posted: Fri Nov 12, 2010 2:58 am 
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nagano wrote:
If it helps, this is my current study plan:

1. 1001 Life and Death Problems
2. Making Good Shape
3. Speed Baduk volumes 10-12
4. Lee Changho’s Life and Death
5. Lee Changho’s Tesuji
6. 501 Tesuji Problems
7. Weiqi Life and Death 1000 Problems
8. Cho Chikun’s Encyclopedia of Life and Death
9. Xuanxuan Qijing
10. Gokyo Shumyo
11. Train Like a Pro
12. Guanzi Pu
13. Wu Qingyuan Weiqi Duiju Quanji
14. Igo Hatsuyo-ron


Well, it is an impressive list. (Presumably inspired by the "it is easy to become a tygem 8 dan" (but just don't waste time) post on the indonesian page.) I am not sure whether this works for all of us, while I want to do more tsumego my list is slightly more timid.

1. Do all those tsumego I have not done yet, which my teacher assigned to me. (Several dozen)
2. Finish 1001 Life and Death Problems (60 to go) and then go over it again later.
3. While waiting for a game, solve problems on WBaduk. (I am playing as 3 dan there, but have a hard enough time with the 2-5 kyu problems.)
4. Look more often at the Hitachi problems.
5. If I have too much spare time, buy a new tsumego book.

I don't want to set up myself for defeat, and I fear a too ambitious study plan is exactly that.

But most of all, I am pretty much tired from learning a not too easy language (which I do way more passionately than tsumego) to fit tsumego solving in my schedule. I even tried to mix vocabulary and tsumego flash cards at one time, but stopped that soon, I don't want to memorize tsumego after all :)

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