Computers beating top human players -- good or bad?

palapiku · **#21**

lobotommy wrote:

Zen bot is 6Dan on KGS? Take a look at my go strenght and compare. So, I am(was?) 4kyu in EGF, I'm playing close to 2d on tygem/kgs/wbaduk. So if 4kyu get 2d with not too much problem on internet servers and Zen is only 4 stones stronger on KGS than 4kyu player it simply means to me that it is probably no more than european 2d. 3dan at best. And his high rank was achieved mostly because of blitz games. I think it is still far far away from even mid dan section. Maybe stronger players could let us know if they were beaten by this bot?

My post was about the rapid progress of Zen - from KGS 1d to KGS 6d. Regardless of any absolute strength of KGS ranks, that's a five-stone improvement of the kind that most humans take far longer to achieve.

Mike Novack · **#22**

Relative strength is all we have data for.

a) Not a lot of data how much weaker (relative to humans) when playing at slower time controls. Remember, the program would actually be playing stronger at these speeds, just not helped as much by the additional time as the human. A stern chase is a long chase.

Perhaps the best we can do is see if we can find data for the program running at the same (fast) time control but on different hardware.

b) There have been some matches played between humans of (presumably) known strength and computer programs. Again mainly useful for relative strength comparisons -- the bots do play each other fairly frequently.

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