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Post #1 Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2014 4:19 am 
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Title says it all, i'm going to egc in a couple of days and i'd like to record my games with my mobile (i believe even if i was used to recording on a kifu i'd take a lot of time and distract me from the game). I don't care if a can play with other players or AI, just record and save the games.

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Post #2 Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2014 5:06 am 
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There are a lot of options, have a look at the Google play store. Personally, I like using gobandroid.


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Post #3 Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2014 10:30 am 
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Title says it all, i'm going to egc in a couple of days and i'd like to record my games with my mobile (i believe even if i was used to recording on a kifu i'd take a lot of time and distract me from the game).


I tried recording my games on a mobile device once a few years ago; it was still a distraction and severely reduced the level of my play. If you're putting a significant amount of time, money, or effort into going to the EGC, I highly recommend you try recording games before the EGC, so you know how much of an effect it will have on you. :)

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Post #4 Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2014 2:14 pm 
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solid advice will definitely try it thank you

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Post #5 Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2014 12:30 am 
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Sorry for bringing back this "old" thread. I've been wondering about this issue too. During my last tournament I started recording the first 3 games and it wasn't till the 4th that I relied on my opponent to record the game. Then I realised recording my game lowered my focus on the game severely.
Therefore, my question: has anyone tried any other alternatives to record the game?
1.- A camera with a small tripod next to the table
2.- Cell phone on a small tripod next to the board
3.- Go Pro helmet (this would be awesome :clap: :clap: )

Other stuff such as google glass should be not allowed during the game...

Any other suggestions?

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Post #6 Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2014 12:36 am 
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alejo wrote:
Sorry for bringing back this "old" thread. I've been wondering about this issue too. During my last tournament I started recording the first 3 games and it wasn't till the 4th that I relied on my opponent to record the game. Then I realised recording my game lowered my focus on the game severely.
Therefore, my question: has anyone tried any other alternatives to record the game?
1.- A camera with a small tripod next to the table
2.- Cell phone on a small tripod next to the board
3.- Go Pro helmet (this would be awesome :clap: :clap: )

Other stuff such as google glass should be not allowed during the game...

Any other suggestions?


I have the feeling I'm opponent #5 there :) In the NGA camp I used a scanning app to take pictures of the board every ~20 moves or so. Since the span wasn't consistent the result was good in easy games and horrible for a very fighting game. For the tournament I did proper recording. Somehow changing my reading from board to iPad helps (also works as misdirection: you can read on the left while looking at the right, pure Sun Tzu style

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Post #7 Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2014 12:38 am 
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alejo wrote:
Sorry for bringing back this "old" thread. I've been wondering about this issue too. During my last tournament I started recording the first 3 games and it wasn't till the 4th that I relied on my opponent to record the game. Then I realised recording my game lowered my focus on the game severely.
Therefore, my question: has anyone tried any other alternatives to record the game?
1.- A camera with a small tripod next to the table
2.- Cell phone on a small tripod next to the board
3.- Go Pro helmet (this would be awesome :clap: :clap: )

Other stuff such as google glass should be not allowed during the game...

Any other suggestions?


I have the feeling I'm opponent #5 there :) In the NGA camp I used a scanning app to take pictures of the board every ~20 moves or so. Since the span wasn't consistent the result was good in easy games and horrible for a very fighting game. For the tournament I did proper recording. Somehow changing my reading from board to iPad helps (also works as misdirection: you can read on the left while looking at the right, pure Sun Tzu style


And why a Google glass should not be allowed? In theory it can only record, not like it can analyse the game or anythhing...

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Post #8 Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2014 1:31 am 
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Well, as far as I know, it includes a small screen which only the user has access to. The player may stream the game to a stronger player elsewhere (or even a remote server with some engine in it) and a move suggested back into his screen. Though none of the smart devices are allowed, we tend to use phones and tablets since both players can check the screen if the opponent is suspicious... We wouldn't be able to do so on a google glass...

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I have the feeling I'm opponent #5 there

Yes, you were the 5th, indeed. But it was the 4th which suffered my rage while I discovered I could improve my focus :)

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Post #9 Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2014 2:10 am 
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Well, as far as I know, it includes a small screen which only the user has access to. The player may stream the game to a stronger player elsewhere (or even a remote server with some engine in it) and a move suggested back into his screen. Though none of the smart devices are allowed, we tend to use phones and tablets since both players can check the screen if the opponent is suspicious... We wouldn't be able to do so on a google glass...


That's right, although I think Google Glass can't record and play at the same time, much less on a relatively long game (battery issues.) I guess at some point (i.e. when engines are fast and reliable at the 4-7d level) electronic devices will be banned (like it happens in chess) and we'd have to rely on memory and kifu paper

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Post #10 Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2014 3:03 am 
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build goban with sensorplate and a Arduino or Raspberry Pi have started to comeup in my head as sugestions how to keep track of my games as a unlogical newbie that still makes to many moves that have no benefit.

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Post #11 Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2014 3:08 am 
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build goban with sensorplate and a Arduino or Raspberry Pi have started to comeup in my head as sugestions how to keep track of my games as a unlogical newbie that still makes to many moves that have no benefit.


This won't roll on a tournament: unlikely you can bring your own goban and force to use it in all games.

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Post #12 Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2014 6:42 am 
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build goban with sensorplate and a Arduino or Raspberry Pi have started to comeup in my head as sugestions how to keep track of my games as a unlogical newbie that still makes to many moves that have no benefit.


This won't roll on a tournament: unlikely you can bring your own goban and force to use it in all games.


yupp got that, I tried to point that out. Should probably not posted but you know monday morning.

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Post #13 Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2014 7:00 am 
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virre wrote:
build goban with sensorplate and a Arduino or Raspberry Pi have started to comeup in my head as sugestions how to keep track of my games as a unlogical newbie that still makes to many moves that have no benefit.


This won't roll on a tournament: unlikely you can bring your own goban and force to use it in all games.


yupp got that, I tried to point that out. Should probably not posted but you know monday morning.


No problem :), but at least you are in mild Sweden. Here in Spain Monday afternoon is as horrible as morning :)

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Post #14 Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2014 8:50 am 
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I don't think an electronic Go board is a daft idea though but would probably need the tournament organisers to adopt it. I've never played in a Chess tournament but all the ones I've seen footage from seem to have adopted DGT electronic chess boards.

http://www.chesshouse.com/dgt_electronic_chess_boards_s/361.htm

it'd be good for live broadcast too.

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I have for a while consider to make an app that takes photos at a regular interval (maybe two a second), and translate them to a sgf file. Easy if you have good pictures, but I would like to work from a low camera angle and be able to handle hands blocking part of the board.

Perfectly possible, but it takes a lot of work to trim it in and I have been hoping some one else would do it... :-).

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Post #16 Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2014 6:07 pm 
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if you are to both play and record the game at the same time, i think the best option still is to use pen and paper.
kifu paper is available online, very helpful.
after finishing the game, make a .sgf file from the kifu.

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Post #17 Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2014 4:27 pm 
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if you are to both play and record the game at the same time, i think the best option still is to use pen and paper.

I like using pen and paper, but I can't really say that its the best.
Electronic recording apps make it so much easier, and far less distracting, not having to remember move numbers and such.

I only use paper mostly because I can't afford the apps/devices.

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Post #18 Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2014 7:59 pm 
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Tossing another vote in for Gobandroid. It's really great and comes with some nice extras like problems and pre-recorded SGFs.

It's available on F-Droid (https://f-droid.org/) as well.

Here's the app's page there: https://f-droid.org/repository/browse/?fdfilter=gobandroid&fdid=org.ligi.gobandroid_hd.


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Post #19 Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2014 7:09 am 
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if you are to both play and record the game at the same time, i think the best option still is to use pen and paper.

I like using pen and paper, but I can't really say that its the best.
Electronic recording apps make it so much easier, and far less distracting, not having to remember move numbers and such.

I only use paper mostly because I can't afford the apps/devices.


A lot of digital clocks will display and increment the move number for you as moves are made. Of course, this doesn't help when your opponent fails to punch their clock and you punch yours without noticing.


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