xed_over wrote:
So, its sorta like Ohashi Hirofumi's Black Hole, only twisted slightly
It's rotating and growing larger.
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| Author: | macelee [ Mon Sep 15, 2014 2:07 pm ] |
| Post subject: | So Yokoku's unusual opening |
In the NHK Cup Full game record: http://www.go4go.net/go/games/sgfview/43238 |
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| Author: | DrStraw [ Mon Sep 15, 2014 3:51 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: So Yokoku's unusual opening |
That does not so much like an opening as a middle game started too early. |
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| Author: | xed_over [ Mon Sep 15, 2014 5:13 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: So Yokoku's unusual opening |
So, its sorta like Ohashi Hirofumi's Black Hole, only twisted slightly |
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| Author: | Bill Spight [ Mon Sep 15, 2014 5:28 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: So Yokoku's unusual opening |
xed_over wrote: So, its sorta like Ohashi Hirofumi's Black Hole, only twisted slightly It's rotating and growing larger.
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| Author: | judicata [ Mon Sep 15, 2014 6:19 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: So Yokoku's unusual opening |
Awesome. The result? B+3.5 |
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| Author: | illluck [ Mon Sep 15, 2014 6:32 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: So Yokoku's unusual opening |
This was played by Cho U a couple of weeks ago (and likely a couple of months ago on Tygem). See viewtopic.php?f=10&t=10710 |
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| Author: | xed_over [ Mon Sep 15, 2014 6:39 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: So Yokoku's unusual opening |
illluck wrote: This was played by Cho U a couple of weeks ago (and likely a couple of months ago on Tygem). See viewtopic.php?f=10&t=10710 Ohashi Hirofumi mentioned Cho U (I think) in his video when he was talking about the Black Hole |
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| Author: | xed_over [ Mon Sep 15, 2014 6:46 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: So Yokoku's unusual opening |
the whole game record from Mr Kin's site (for those without go4go access -- thanks Mace Lee for the find) |
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| Author: | Fedya [ Mon Sep 15, 2014 7:23 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: So Yokoku's unusual opening |
I'd just like to get reasonable results from orthodox play. Seeing players get good results from moves that look like they make no sense is extremely frustrtaing. |
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| Author: | Uberdude [ Mon Sep 15, 2014 7:54 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: So Yokoku's unusual opening |
If I had forsaken other career/education opportunities and spent tens or even hundreds of thousands of hours studying Go to become a professional I would be extremely frustrated if I wasn't able to do things an amateur who only spent a few hours a week on Go could. |
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| Author: | jeromie [ Mon Sep 15, 2014 8:56 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: So Yokoku's unusual opening |
Thanks for sharing this game! It makes me happy to think that the final chapter on good go play might not be written, though I'm doubtful this sort of play would hold up in longer games. Still, if there were no one willing to experiment we might miss out on some potentially beautiful games. |
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| Author: | ez4u [ Tue Sep 16, 2014 1:49 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: So Yokoku's unusual opening |
I missed seeing this broadcast because I was out playing Go.  Does anyone know who did the commentary on TV? It must have been challenging!
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| Author: | Cassandra [ Tue Sep 16, 2014 2:12 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: So Yokoku's unusual opening |
I know a commentary by Ôhashi Hirofumi, who has played several of these "unusual" openings, in which he stated that "usually" -- maybe around move 80 or so -- the resulting POSITIONs look very much like "normal" ones, with the exception of only a very, very few stones. I am quite sure that he referred to pro-pro-games. |
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| Author: | xed_over [ Tue Sep 16, 2014 2:44 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: So Yokoku's unusual opening |
ez4u wrote: I missed seeing this broadcast because I was out playing Go. Does anyone know who did the commentary on TV? It must have been challenging!http://www.asahi-net.or.jp/~bg2t-tkg/nhk/nhk.html still has last weeks game (9/7) up... but once they update it for this week (9/14), the commentator link will be: http://www.asahi-net.or.jp/~bg2t-tkg/nhk/kai.jpg |
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| Author: | snorri [ Tue Sep 16, 2014 12:20 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: So Yokoku's unusual opening |
I like that he ends up sacrificing  
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| Author: | oren [ Wed Sep 17, 2014 11:22 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: So Yokoku's unusual opening |
ez4u wrote: I missed seeing this broadcast because I was out playing Go. Does anyone know who did the commentary on TV? It must have been challenging!Kobayashi Koichi did it. |
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| Author: | Uberdude [ Wed Oct 01, 2014 12:50 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: So Yokoku's unusual opening |
oren wrote: ez4u wrote: I missed seeing this broadcast because I was out playing Go. Does anyone know who did the commentary on TV? It must have been challenging!Kobayashi Koichi did it. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EZ6_-PVXzos |
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| Author: | SamT [ Thu Oct 02, 2014 7:24 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: So Yokoku's unusual opening |
As was previously pointed out, Cho U used this opening a month or two ago. He also used it on Tygem as Tenzaru2? I've been trying to get a collection of these games to see how this opening works, but so far I only have 2
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| Author: | tchan001 [ Thu Oct 02, 2014 8:36 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: So Yokoku's unusual opening |
SamT wrote: As was previously pointed out, Cho U used this opening a month or two ago. He also used it on Tygem as Tenzaru2? I've been trying to get a collection of these games to see how this opening works, but so far I only have 2 Could you share the tygem game with us on this thread? |
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| Author: | SamT [ Thu Oct 02, 2014 9:16 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: So Yokoku's unusual opening |
Sorry, I hadn't had my coffee yet, so I was not clear: the only games I have are this one, and the one Cho U used in a demo match a few months ago, which is in another thread. I have none of the Tygem games, though I want them badly. Is anyone on PC Tygem? Is there a feature to pull down the tenzaru2 games, historically? I have only been able to get Tygem to work on my Ipad, and the app does not seem to have a historical games feature.
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